Chapter 64: Flying Saucer Pipe Dreams

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Mr. Twigsnapper,

I remember that post that you put on the forum quite a long time ago mentioning that meeting at Mr. Odlums ranch. You never did say in what capacity you were actually there attending that meeting. (?????)

All other information we have about the participants leads to the conclusion that there were ALOT of Generals there. LeMay happened to be just one but there were very many others. May I ask if you were military? Security? Did Linda Brown happen to speak to you? She and Josephine were at that meeting and she has said that she recalls about 60 people being there. Can you give Paul any more information about what was talked about and what resulted from that meeting? And of course your role at the time? Were you working with Dr. Brown directly? So many questions! So little time! I know that you know how to reach us! Thanking you ahead of time. Elizabeth

[flowperson]

Hi...

Any mention of Gen. LeMay, the cigar chomping commander of the Strategic Air Command in that era, automatically reminds me of my favorite film back then, and of its positive effects towards ending the insanity that was the cold war, ie mutually assured destruction. I think it probably would have been better to have a "Gort" robot "on station" in every national capital in the world than to have nukes flying around aimlessly in the skies 24 hrs. a day for all those years. Of course it's still going on today with armed missles aimed everywhere, but not as obviously insane I suppose.

George C. Scott (Gen. Buck Turgidson) played LeMay with gleeful abandon, but was not as sinister as Sterling Hayden as Gen Jack Ripper, an AFB commander who delusionally initiates a nuclear crisis. Peter Sellers was brilliant as usual in his triple role as The President, the neo-nazi mad scientist (generally believed to be a characterization of either Teller or John Von Neumann), and as the British officer Mandrake, who wasn't a magician, but could only look on helplessly as Ripper ran amok. The film was formally recognized in 1989 as a significant cultural influence upon the history of the U.S. Stanley Kubrick was such a brilliant artist.

Laughing and crying at the same time is an entirely human response to confusion and insanity. Do yourselves a favor, watch it again soonest. For someone my age, it's difficult to accept that 40 years have passed. Imagine someone making a movie today about the mendacious antics of the past ten years. Do you think anyone would/could take that level of political risk?

How appropriate in real life that in 1967 LeMay would be chasing down a nude, brilliant scientist in the middle of the driest desert in N. America.

flow....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strang ... e_the_Bomb

[Trickfox]

There is a young woman in Los Angeles who is toying with Hutchinson and maybe thinking of shelling out for the tape. Can I post your message - the relevant part - in a forum for her to read?

Paul Langley

Actually anyone who wants to be amazed by the "Hutchinson effect" should definatly buy the material and go through it. I'm not saying that he's a fraud. I'm just saying that he can't control or explain anything he's doing or talking about YET!!!! Maybe he does not want to learn either! All I know is that he should have had a DOC or FCC license before powering up some of that Military Radar surplus gear.

Perhaps he's just working out in the wilderness without the acceptance or recognition of other scientists who know exactly what's going on.

(Personally I've never seen this effect subjectively either, but I do have my FCC license and I understand the dangers at least)

Hutchingson is still looking for someone with the math and physics to help him develop "HIS" discovery!!!!

Look!!............. Maybe he's not the only person who has ever done this.

Maybe OTHER Scientists have done this years ago....Maybe even, that they allready know and understand what's going on and they simply cannot communicate with Hutchinson, or anyone else for that matter.

(Shades of Brent Spinner's role in "Independance Day")

Maybe Hutchingson is repeating Mme Currie's own experience without understanding that he's PLAYING with dangererous technology.

I don't know..... I would certainly think very carefully before giving a loaded pistol to a baby to play with, Wouln'd you?

What I'm telling you is that High voltage technology is particular. You have the god given right to try and build stuff to play with it, but once you get the hang of it you have a tendancy to want to try and get specific components that would allow you to do a lot more than fly a balsam wood lifter. There is a reason why some electronic components and subcomponents are classified and not available to amateurs.

IF you happen to be smart and you get a hold of some military surplus gear or old fashion x-ray power supplies, and you start to "PLAY" with "STUFF" -That is when someone needs to "tap you over the shoulder" and tell you to "be careful".

I've mentioned this incident before I think and I'll mention it again. I attendend a UFO conference in Los Angeles once, and came upon the booth of a amateur "Psychic healer" who had jurry rigged some sort of artwork made out of a ceramic material filled with copper traces. There was a Plexiglass window in front of it and it was powered by an old color television flyback circuit. It looked to me like the type of circuit used in a very large color console circa 1972/3.
Now I know,-as most any Electrical engineer does, -that those television circuits operated at voltages and frequencies that created dangerous amounts of X-Rays. Yet.... Here it was being used in this "HEALING DEVICE". The booth was obviously operating as a dangerous illegal science experiment and I contacted a few people to find out what was going on.

I'm not sure what happened but I was told later on that some government lab officials from USC came by with police and closed down the booth and arrested the people for irradiating unsuspecting victims for 10.00$ a shot.

Independant experimentation is fine, but sometimes you just have to seperate the toys from the boys. So if you are serious about everything you do, then you had better be aware of the dangers involved first. Plan for conserving life, property, and the environment before creating your frankenstein monster.

My two cents

Trickfox

[Langley]

[
My two cents

Trickfox

Thanks Trickfox. She asked me. Id never heard of him.

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Flow.... you said ......

"How appropriate in real life that in 1967 LeMay would be chasing down a nude, brilliant scientist in the middle of the driest desert in N. America."

and I have to add .... how strange that he would be hanging around the lab in Santa Monica later that summer ..... visiting with Dr. Brown and Linda and even standing on a wobbly lab stool to change a ceiling light. Scarey thought that the fate of the world could be in such hands. But for all his helpfulness, the man was a force to be reckoned with.

And I understand during one of those conversations with Dr. Brown he admitted that if we had lost the war he would have certainly been tried as a war criminal for his firebombings over Japan. Certainly a strange bedfellow for this gentle scientist. And of course I can not let go of his connections at the famous RAND . And the fact that once the demonstration was given there Dr. Brown " shut down" the project and told his daughter to go ahead to a life of her own.

Any ideas of what might have been going on? I personally have gotten the impression that wherever the "project went" after that date Dr. Brown did not want Linda further involved in it and the phrase " She NEEDS not to know has a special echo to it." Meanwhile. What was Morgan doing I wonder. And did he then step in where Linda was not allowed to go?

Paul has been quiet.

Steady Victoria. That means he is probably trying to surprise you with a real blockbuster of a chapter. Nose to the grindstone and all that. Closer and closer I hope to answers for the questions I have . Anybody have more? Elizabeth

[flowperson]

Elizabeth...As far as TTB's activities in Santa Monica, you could be fairly certain that if he were heavily involved in strategic matters of concern to the USA, then RAND Corp. probably figured prominently in any exploitation of the technology. Floyd Odlum's attentions, and Gen. LeMay's close shepherding of Dr.Brown in the 60's might indicate such strategic purposes and connections.

You should probably look into the history of Franklin Collbohm who was one of the big wheels at Douglas Aircraft from the 20's through the 40's, and headed up a project at Dougles called "Project RAND" at the end of the war..RAND was an acronym which stood for "research and development". You know me and names, I've always also thought there was a S. African connection somewhere in there too.

Collbohm and some colleagues took the project outside of Douglas and RAND Corp. was born. Collboum went on to head RAND until he retired in the late 60's, just about the time that Linda and her Dad were in Santa Monica. Collbohm led RAND into being the US Government's top " big picture " advisory source on nuclear, space, and information systems packet switching technologies. Let's just say that lots of strategic matters that RAND was consulting on fit in with Dr. Brown's work, which we we all know was decades ahead of everyone else's.

Perhaps it was made known to him in no uncertain terms by the "powers that be" that his work was being/was going to be utilized in more advanced versions towards the enhancement of future scenarios in US strategic policy development and implementation. I suppose that was gratifying for him, but it still doesn't rationalize for me the imposed penury of his later years, unless that was a critical aspect of some "grand" plan that necessitated that aspect.

I had some phone conversations with a dude from RAND some years ago about the Cultural Anthropological aspects of deteriorating urban neighborhoods. As I recall he was a specialist on strategic military policies. I recommended a book out back then titled, Tribes, which emphasized why, from a cultural and historical approach, it was fruitless to try and sort out realistic reforms in such environments unless the history of the tribal aspects of a peoples' inheritance were taken into account. He said ok, thanked me by letter, and I never heard anytihng else about it. I noticed a obituary about his life in the New York Times about ten years ago.
C'est la vie.

flow....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation

http://www.nicap.org/papers/randdoc.htm

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_ODLUM_FLOYD_B

[Langley]

All the above is fascinating. I cannot help but think of the tech & methods the alllies developed to counter the numerical Soviet superiority in Europe.

In a global context, the technology being talked about here might render huge sections of the economy redundant overnight. And if freely released, would present a level field strategic with no method for the West to counter the numeric superiority of opponents.

I dunno. have a crisis in order to avoid a bigger crisis. Attach such conditons to the technology that erstwhile opponents are brought into the fold.

Just thinking not claiming to know zip.

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Your comments...... (everyone!)..... are wonderful!

And I keep thinking that much of the mystery that surrounds Dr. Browns life will come to the surface when more and more people start talking about what he was doing, where he was at the time and the connections that were all around him.

Paul used the thought earlier that the wind ( Dr. Brown) may be invisible but its actions can be seen by watching the leaves in the trees and the grass in the fields. Something BIG, I agree, was going on. And it was very well protected, even from Dr. Browns own family, those who were the closest to him.

I can imagine that much of this is a mystery to Linda as to all of you. But strangely its the combination of what she happened to know and what all of you know in your own right that will bring things to light and I am hoping thats the way it is all meant to be revealed. Seems to me thats the way its going.

You are right of course that such a thing can not happen overnight. And I really have no idea how long this kind of introduction will take but I have the odd feeling that it is well on its way .... whether we all are really ready for it or not.

Thanks again all of you for your shared thoughts! Makes for really great reading. Elizabeth

[flowperson]

Hi Elizabeth...

One of my first epiphanies when I embarked upon my study of complex systems was that there were very simple overall principles at work in the phenomenon that generally applied across the board. Gravity is a powerful influence upon the universe that we inhabit. But its waves are very long and very weak when they reach us.

Two images should be held in the mind's eye. When a rock in tossed into a pool the ripples spread out in ways that affect everything in their path, and to lesser degrees as they spread out and become weaker. When a complex system begins to unfold in time it often has invisible origins, but those origins may sometimes be calculaed and surmised. And another couple of generalized concepts that also hold true are that all complex systems are extremely sensitive to their initial conditions, and that phase transitions between states in complex systems entail periods of chaotic behavior patterns.

All of nature is composed of interconnected complex systems, and this being the case, theoretically a butterfly flaps its wings half a world away, and a hurricane is born off the coast of W. Africa. Yes, the wind stirs leaves here, but also blows up barns in Kansas.

Consider that each action in this complex millieu constitutes a beginning, An image of that act is imprinted upon the systems' megastructures. Effects build and build upon each other and eventual changes take place, often in places far removed in space and time from origins. I believe that TTB inherently knew all of this, decades before it began to be formally studied and discussed in the 80's

Image, reflection, and transformation. It's just the way that everything works. At least that's the way that I see things now.

flow....

[Paul S.]

I think it probably would have been better to have a "Gort" robot "on station" in every national capital in the world than to have nukes flying around aimlessly in the skies 24 hrs. a day for all those years.

flow, in the midst of your references to General LeMay, George C. Scott, and "Dr. Strangelove," (Slim Pickens riding the bomb was always my favorite part), your mention of "Gort" also reminds me that I sorta left that part out of Chapter 64.

For those that may not catch the reference, "Gort" was the name of the giant robot that emerged from the space craft that landed in front of the White House in the 1951 film "The Day The Earth Stood Still"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_th ... tood_Still

I've got a note here somewhere that says that the day that the movie came out (September, 1951), Dr. Brown was so enthusiastic about the movie that he closed the lab and took everybody to see it. I will have to remember to work that little detail in when I get around to the re-write.

And, from some other posts I'm going to have to track down, I'm also reminded that this chapter covered the period during which George Adamski had the UFO encounters that he described in his 9153 book "The Flying Saucers Have Landed."

And, did somebody point out that the foreword for Adamski's book was written by somebody from Nassau? Now... isn't that interesting.

Morgan has always been sort of... teasing?... about the whole Adamski affair, and I know that it has some association with this story but I haven't quite figured out all the connections. The only thing we know for sure is that the flying saucer that Adamski said he photographed:



...bears and uncanny resemblance to the models that Townsend Brown was working with while he was experimenting with Agnew Bahnson in North Carolina in the late 1950s.

That subject we discussed elsewhere, but right now I can't find the link. Y'all feel free to find that conversation and link it here.

In the meantime, that's why this is just "the first draft." At some point I'm going to have to go back and sprinkle in some of the ingredients I've left out along the way...

--PS

[grinder]

Paul,

I have studied the photograph and also the " desk model" of the " Adamski saucer" that you have put up on the site and for the life of me I can not tell the difference between them. So which once actually came first? Did Dr. Brown design his test model following the picture ..... or was the picture taken of something of Dr. Browns? This is really wierd.

I encourage all of the rest of you to compare.

Paul? Anyway we could put examples of each on the same page? Everyone then will see the strangeness level along with me then and you have to admit .... this is high level odd.

Thing is, these types of " saucers" were seen all over the world at on point if I am right ..... so what the heck was happening?

And I thought it very interesting that Dr. Brown would recognize that movie as being so important. It sure carried a wallop of a message.

GORT. Not the kind of dude that you would want to meet in a dark alley. Firm but fair takes on a whole new meaning. grinder

[Paul S.]

grinder, can you find the the link to where we were talking about the Adamski Scout Ship before? We should probably put that link in here, and continue this discussion there.

--PS

[flowperson]

Hi Paul....Mr.Trickfox and I discussed THE MOVIE on the "Hidden but Why" thread a few days ago. And talk about entanglement, here's the link to THE MOVIE that I posted over there also...enjoy it. Great theramin tunes !

Klaatu Barada Nicto, indeed !

flow....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0936316998

[grinder]

Just a fast look at this

viewtopic.php?p=5323#5323

viewtopic.php?p=5334#5334

Mow again we have the old chicken and egg arguement. But Adamski was quite adament that he was approached by two men who took him for a ride in the early fifties .... in California. And again. Where was Dr. Brown? RIGHT.

Proximity and coincidence, of course does not prove anything but it you keep banging on the wall maybe someday the door will open somewhere?

And the thing that I can't get over is ..... it must have worked. That particular design must have worked. So how can you say that Adamski was completely insane and out of his gourd when he describes a unit like this. Of course the rest of the story he had to tell leads you way off base and its easy to discredit him, but was that what was supposed to happen.

I am getting to be a VERRRY WACHFUL WABBIT. grinder

[Victoria Steele]

Trickfox,

Notice in the movie " The Day the Earth Stood Still" that the scientist had the math wrong and Klaattu corrected him. Long live the guys at the blackboards and their constant attempts at success!

Keep going Trickfox! You are smart enough to know not to lean over the pitchblend.

It takes constant dedication . And plenty of Doritos.

What was it the juy in "Independance Day "said " " I don't get out much"? <g>

Victoria