similarities Townsend Brown/ Tesla

[Trickfox]

Trickfox,

And getting back to the connections that we have been talking about here ... would the man named Beau Kitselman have understood this? I read somewhere in the comments section that he was a high level math genius .... and I believe that Paul said he was Browns partner somehow.
Perhaps you can help me understand what role he might have played in Browns research?

From: Dr. Jack Sarfatti's own e-mail
Beau Kitselman American promoter of Krisshnamurti last resided in La Jolla where he died.


From: "Dr. Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@...>
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Parsons/Hubbard/Crowley sarfatti@...
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"Hudson, Ray (Santa Monica)" wrote:

> > Hankskids@... wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 7/11/01 9:00:44 AM, sarfatti@... writes:
> > >
> > > << William Sheldon know Crowley? >>
> > >
> > > Its importnat to remember that the link between Crowley and many of
> > these
> > > mentioned folks is L. Ron Hubbard who was in the Golden Dawn in London
> > and
> > > brought the first orders to Florida I think before W.W.II.
> >
> Hmmm. This is not the timeline or ordering that I am aware of. My research
> says that Crowley did not come to know of Hubbard until after Hubbard
> teamed-up with Parsons at the Agape Lodge of OTO in Pasadena. This was
> 1945, the year Hubbard was dischared from the US Navy. It is my
> understanding that Hubbard cajoled the mystical secrets of the OTO out of
> Parsons because Parsons had read Hubbard's scifi stories, and Parsons had
> admired Hubbard for this scifi vision. This makes Hubbard the follower, not
> the leader. It is also a well-documented fact that Hubbard stole Parson's
> wife AND a tub of $ under the ruse of starting a company that would purchase
> boats on the east coast and sell them on the west coast. Parsons had to
> file suit against Hubbard in Dade County, Florida to get some of those
> assetts back...so at least that is part of the public record!
>
> I have also researched Scientology enough (from the inside) to know that it
> is a cleverly concealed rip-off of a lot of OTO/Kabbalistic doctrine. When
> I was introduced to Hubbard's "Bridge to Clear" and its 7 levels, I could
> easily see that it was nothing more than a re-worked (& concealed) Tree Of
> Life.
>
> Again, I believe Hubbard is the "artifact" and Parsons/Crowley were the
> "initiators". However, on another branch of the tree, Bob Dobbs' reference
> to "Beau" Kitselman has already borne fruit (at least for my research). It
> is now leading me to research Thomas Townsend Brown

You should ask Creon Levit about TTB electro-gravity. He knows more about it
than I do. However, I think you will be wasting your time in that direction.

> and his work with
> "electro-gravity" (for lack of a better term). Bob...if I am steering off
> course (already?) nudge me back in the right direction!
>
> My brain is still not letting go on a possible Turing link here! Does
> anyone know if Crowley was at all involved with the Boys at Bletchley Park
> during the Enigma days?
>
> Ray
> Raymond A. Hudson
> Member of Technical Staff
> Flight Controls Systems Engineering
> BAE Systems, Controls Inc.

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[Trickfox]

Ball lighting breaks laws of physics, as I understand. ....
I just meant to impart the idea that this ball was in no great rush .... when ... if following the laws of physics AS WE KNOW THEM...IT SHOULD HAVE DISCHARGED. AND RELATIVELY QUICKLY ... DISAPPEARED. bUT Noooooooo ... Ball lightning does not do that ... and very important quantum physicists now are saying that Ball lightning IS DRAWING FROM ANOTHER SOURCE .... FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION.
Elizabeth

We dont's allways need to open a door to see if it works you can just build it and let someone open it from the other side.

http://www.psychopropulseur.com/img/eng/small.gif

Yes well, I call it The time/space door "Ball plasma is the subject of Raleigh-Taylor instabilities" and cannot be controlled well. We beieve we have solved that problem. so that it can be submitted as empirical proof.

This would deflate the supernatural aspect of it and create the shift in paradigm. (an epithany causing event to the observer)

Someone else want to comment?

Trickfox

[Angela Bloomstrum]

My advice to anyone who contemplates building a "space door" . Trickfox You wrote " we don't always need to open a door to see if it works . You can just build it and let someone open it from the other side."

Perhaps.

My impression is, however, if you should build a door like that I would be VERY careful where I stood. The coming and going traffic might just amaze a person. Thinking that the door was our idea in the first place..... could set you up for an amazing experience. We are, my impression ... very late to the party.

And then ... the doorkeepers ... where are they? My impression is that there have been Centurions by that door for us. Who are they guarding the door for ?... the "other side"? .... or us? Angela

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Trickfox and others ... Your mention of Beau Kitselman was very interesting and I wanted to call your attention to a response sent through the "comments" channel from one of Beau Kitselmans daughters (If you are reading this Suzette ... please join in again, if you would like ... and correct me if I misquote you here )

If my memory is correct Suzette wrote that she was there when L Ron Hubbard described his plan for making money off of his "followers" to her father... and Beau Kitselman escorted l. Ron Hubbard to the door!

Which speaks to the character of Beau Kitselman, I believe. I judge character by actions. Beau Kitselman was interested in following the true path of his spiritual interests and rejected the subversion Hubbard offered. And I understand also that this was one of the characteristics that Townsend Brown and Beau Kitselman shared. Elizabeth

[Trickfox]

Beau Kitselman escorted l. Ron Hubbard to the door!

Well I understand this reaction quite well. As soon as you believe you can squeeze consciousness and manipulate minds, you are setting a symetrical power loose. Its called carma in some circles. There is many words to describe evil but the best way to treat the subject is to say that it simply does not exists in your sphere of conscious control.

Now, I'm not going to claim that I can control the door either and it's true that I must not play with fire unless I have water to quench it's uncontrolled fury.

If a centurions is protecting us right now then so be it.
But lo, -I see no sign of him, for he is busy in his silence and solitude.

Disputes and conflict is unecessary within the realm of transdimensional beings and the best way to initiate and control the feedback loop of the energy cycle on the time/space door is to listen to reactions from the thousands and thousands of plant life-forms surrounding the door as seen in the illustration I have shown you.

Look at it carefully, and you will note that the safety features of this device are there to make sure the device IS NOT controlled by a higher lifeform which could make mistakes, it is monitored by a lower life form; -a plant communication system which feeds on the light generated by the door itself . It's called a bio-feedback control loop.

This is how reverse entropy information transfer works. If something nasty tries to come through the door our plant life will warn us and the energy cycle will slowly reverse phase and push it away. We will know what to look for if we listen to nature.

Nature is Beautiful

Beauty is truth, truth is beauty, that is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. -Keats 1819

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Trickfox and Paul (and anyone else who would care to join in)

I had a thought that maybe we could create a category for discussions centering on "plant communications" .... (as wierd and out of the way a subject as it may seem at first blush .... this does have a tie in with Townsend Browns interests and work.)

Serious studies seem to point to the fact that plants are also "connected" with that "Universal force".... that the strange "subtle energy"which reaches and affects us also affects plants whose reactions can acturally be monitored.

.Trickfox ... you said that the plant communication near the "door"of your design would feed on the "light" generated by the door itself. Can you explain that a little further?

The Remote Viewing program we have mentioned before (which began at SRI) actually started with notice being taken of, what someone there dubbed as "plant quantum communication".....so we have some solid studies to work off of here guys ... Can't wait to hear your response. Elizabeth

[Trickfox]

Trickfox and Paul
.Trickfox ... you said that the plant communication near the "door"of your design would feed on the "light" generated by the door itself. Can you explain that a little further?

There are three 4 inch project folders of data and math on that part alone.
If I supplied you with a list of Names and Papers we would probably end up crossing a lot of the date and finding all the unified links. We are missing a few specific documents and Bald Eagle has requested nothing more from us than to find a single document so that he could continue his side of the math.

The logistics are horendously expensive, and the reason is that:
- it is a Natural fury which we are confronted with, -and it must be tamed rather than feared. a Shift in paradigm is needed in the concsious observation of events within a predefined Newtonian area of space.

Trickfox

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Trickfox,

I really have to apoligize a little. My question ... about telling us a little more on the DOOR.... actually was sort of silly.

I reminded myself of the pushy reporter who apparently thought he could simply ask Townsend Brown to tell him "everything he knew" .... as if, for the reporters convenience and to save time ...the wonderful old man could just roll it all in a neat package and hand it off to this fellow ......as if that was even close to possible..... Not to mention that , where in the universe would that have even been appropriate or respectful ?

My way of simply saying "sorry I asked" So lets back away from that question and go in another direction for awhile. Is this Chapter subdivision working for you? Elizabeth

[Trickfox]

Trickfox,
My way of simply saying "sorry I asked" So lets back away from that question and go in another direction for awhile. Is this Chapter subdivision working for you? Elizabeth

No...No... Elizabeth, there really is... a neet compact way to explain how the door light and plant communicator functions.

I will simply use an analogy of "the spinning Soap bubble". If you have seen how children make soap bubbles, then you are witnessing a natural phenomena about hydrodynamics, and allso beauty and truth. I learned this on a planet called K-PAX. The relationship in this case is air preassure, and torroidial flow. To control the power/direction/inertia of a soap bubble you simply create a toroidal flow of air beneath it and it will just sit on top of this toroidal current and spin.

Presumably we must use some sort of feedback loop that adjusts variations cause by outside air flows and such. In our case we are using more exotic stuff like Bose/Einstein Condensate. The bio-sensor part is Bald Eagle's work and I'm just learning it myself right now. The Ph value and other factors of plan cell growth are measured in real time and cross-corrolated somehow.

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Trickfox,

I am sometimes slow to catch on so bear with me.

I THINK I am catching your drift but maybe its because I am seeing some familiar words ... a word I have become familiar with in looking through Townsend Browns papers is "Electrohydrodynamics" A mouthful ... but I get the sense that you are somehow close to the use of that word .... torroidal would apply ..... equalizing pressures ... would apply ... so I am getting just a glimpse of the light around the doorway . Of course because I am not a trained physicist myself the light I am seeing is because I am effectively in a dark closet with the door closed, trying to look out.

Its hard to know how to get to the end of the thought process from here. The old problem . You can't get there from here. So let me think about this for a bit. Thanks for getting back to me. Anybody else out there have a comment on this very interesting subject? Elizabeth

[Martin Calloway]

[
This was mentioned earlier and so I am bringing it up. Noting how in alot of these conversations "Looking in a Mirror' seems to be a common theme. Remembering too that mystic monks in Tibet wear polished metal "mirrors" on their chests, to encourage sight into the other world.


"Paul Dirac used a lengthy mathematical analysis to develop a new equation to describe high speed atomic matter. Some of his equations were workable and gained immediate acceptance. HOWEVER ..... there were still things that still made no sense ..... and that is .... a problem...His solutions correctly described the behavior of ORDINARY ELECTRONS ..... but for each of these solutions there cropped up another solution which DIDN'T CORRESPOND TO ANYTHING IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE.

He tried to predict and explain these exceptions when he said "In mass and spin they would be identical to ordinary electrons, but whereas all electrons carry negative electic charge the new mystery particles would have a positive charge .... and other properties. such as their spin would also be reversed, making the new particles a sort of MIRROR image of electrons........

Well for those of you who are INTO it ....that was the work that forged the way into the discovery of the positron ... and earned him a Nobel Prize for that brilliant discovery. ......... So my point, roundabout is ... where did he get that ... out of the way, off the wall inspiration .... it was not ... going from point A to B .... the answer came from somewhere else. From where? Victoria[/quote]

[Paul S.]

Hey Martin, can you clean up that last post? It looks like you're trying to quote a previous post but I can't tell where your thoughts begin/end and the post you're quoting begins/ends.

It's pretty easy to edit posts and manage quotations. The hard part is telling you how to do it without causing the effect to disappear into html. So, when you see (bracket) here, I'm talking about the "[" and "]" keys on your keyboard.

Any section want to enclose in a quote field in a reply post, you just put that text between

(left bracket)quote(right bracket)
quoted text goes here followed by
(left bracket) /quote (right bracket)

Oh, and, in order to edit a previously saved post, you just have to click on the little scissors icon that appears in the upper right corner -- that's the "edit/delete" icon that let's you revise your own posts.

I realize you hate typing, I hope that actually makes it a little easier. You're one of the more sanguine posters around here, so I want to make sure you're getting your points through whatever tedious protocols are required.

--PS

[Martin Calloway]

Paul,

I'll work on that. One of my least favorite things, as you guessed. Thanks for the tips. I am probably not the only one out there going ...huh? Dagnabbit.

You can actually tell when I switched over, however strangely, to the quote about mirror images ... other dimensions possibly ... to a discussion that Victoria posted. She begins by a discussion of Dirac?

I just thought it odd how the topics seem to be reappearing. Mirror image, look in the mirror , look at the looking glass, Down the Rabbit hole ...Alice in Wonderland. The theme appears and reappears. Things just seem to flow from one to the next and I just found it odd that there was a Nobel prize winning scientist that had the intuition to look in the mirror like that. Maybe he found the opening to the rabbit hole? Martin

[Trickfox]

="TrickfoxThe bio-sensor part is Bald Eagle's work and I'm just learning it myself right now. The Ph value and other factors of plan cell growth are measured in real time and cross-corrolated somehow.

Gee, I WAS learning about it, but now I understand it a whole lot more I guees the time had to come for me to learn about "Biodynamic Communications" and "Mitogenic Rays".


GEE Whiz This is FUN.

It's all down hill from here folks

Trickfox

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Trickfox and all ..

Studying plants and their reactions to this "subtle force" we have been talking about is a large part of all of this. Townsend Brown stressed that everything was connected. And NOW we have been talking about the idea that there might be an intelligent connection. So. is this what we are talking about here? The communications system of the universe/universes? Such a subtle thing and yet so UNLOOKED FOR that it is seldom seen. So, yes ... plants could probably tell us alot.

But look what happened to the plant study that was happening at SRI. Someone noticed that humans could do it too .... Humans who could somehow connect to a different place ... what happened to that program ... turned into spies....WOW WHAT A GOOD IDEA .... LETS JUST FORGET ABOUT "TALKING TO PLANTS" (and the universe) AND USE THAT STRANGE POWER TO SPY ON OUR ENEMIES AND MAYBE EVEN OUR OWN COUNTRYMEN. GEE ....WHAT A GREAT IDEA.

Strange power that seemed to be reaching out? "What strange power? "....

Thats just about how the mentality went. And it must have been very hard for a man like Townsend Brown, as dedicated as he seems to have been , to watch that happen. Thanks for the input Trickfox . Anybody else? Elizabeth