greggvizza wrote:natecull wrote:Can you give us such a list? I can't think of any stories I've noticed myself.
One comes to my mind. Gravity researcher Ning Lee
GV
Mmm. I remember that. Playing with Podkletnov's stuff, wasn't she?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ning_Li_(physicist)
Hers is the sort of 'exit into the black world' I find extremely plausible. Research not suppressed, but quietly 'invited onto the team' and says yes.
Wonder where the trail is now:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread331108/pg1
Hmm,
Henry William Wallace is probably worthy of mention, if he hasn't been here yet.
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wallc/wallct.txt
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/f ... llace.html
Also summarising from the ATS discussion:
Then, in 1990, Dennis Cravens of Science Applications International Corp filed a report with Edwards AFB (yes, thats right, EDWARDS AFB) entitled, "Electric Propulsion Study" (i cannot find the actual report right now...i am still searching and would be appreciative if anyone in the audience would let me know if they find it...look for AL-TR-89-040. there are many references to it, but no actual report yet. Also, it is reported that it is registered under DTIC as ad-a227121 but i cannot find it there, either).
Here's an
interesting news brief from Infinite Energy magazine, July/Aug 1995, Dr Eugene
Mallove - editor. (603)-228-4516
A bombshell paper has just been published in the American Journal of Physics,
Vol 63 No 8, August 1995, pages 694-705, "Maxwell's Equations in a Rotating
Medium: Is There a Problem?" by Gerald N. Pellegrini and Arthur R. Swift (the
latter of the Dept of Physics and Astronomy, University of Massachusetts,
Amherst MA)"
The paper is a direct challenge to Special Relativity. It proves one of two
things about a classic 1913 experiment of Wilson and Wilson that was used to
verify the prediction of relativity that "a moving magnetic dipole develops an
electric dipole moment.' The conclusion of the paper is that Special
Relativity does NOT agree with this experiment -- and no one has ever
challenged the quality of the experiment.
Peregrinni told Infinite Energy that he thinks that all of relativity as well
as Maxwell's equations as descriptors of EM radiation are now called into
question.
reply posted on 5-2-2008 @ 05:24 PM by BlackProjects
I have emailed a former colleague of Li's who says she is still working "Black Projects" although he says he has not heard anything since 2005. Further he thinks the "back in China thing" is disinformation. If this is true and I have no reason to doubt the source...we can conclude that US is bigtime into antigravity.
Working with Dr. Li in 1999 were
Koczor and Noever. These two were basically in charge of putting to use some new gravity measuring instrumentation (which is presumably why Koczor picked up on what Li was working on in the first place, as he has spoken openly about his interest being what drew him to her research).
There was an experiment performed by these two call the Eclipse project. This may have been discussed here at ATS (not going to bother to search as it is pretty arcane). However, here is the story of what the Eclipse project was:
http://www.cybercitycafe.com/explore/gravity.html
In 1959, at the enthusiastic urging of rocket pioneer Werner von Braun, a peculiar set of physics experiments first appeared in English as a four-part series in the journal Aero/Space Engineering. The author, Maurice Allais, was a skilled physicist with an interest in the behavior of Foucault's Pendulum. From 1954 to 1960 he made careful observations of the motion of glass and metallic pendulums with the hope he would discover some connection between gravity and magnetism. Despite years of careful work, he never succeeded in finding a link between those disparate forces, but he did observe something extraordinary. During the total eclipses of June 30, 1954, and October 22, 1959, he detected "anomalies in the movement of the ... pendulum" during the time when the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun were aligned.
"A remarkable disturbance has been observed at the time of the total solar eclipse... it cannot be identified with periodic lunisolar effects resulting from the actual theory of gravitation."
Maurice Allais, 1959, from the abstract of his articles in Aero/Space Engineering
Allais’ solar eclipse results are hard to understand, but he was undoubtedly a meticulous scientist. His experiments were well-conceived and he repeated his measurements during two solar eclipses.
If something strange is happening to Foucault pendulums during solar eclipses, then it's a real mystery," says Noever. "Is it some gravitational effect, a peculiar manifestation of tides, or something else entirely? The idea that some unexplained aspect of gravity is at work seems nonsensical when you consider that it would seem to imply planets spinning out of their orbits over very long time scales (among other things). Also, why would the effect show up only during a solar eclipse? The Sun, the Moon, and the Earth are nearly aligned about once a month near the time of the new moon. A solar eclipse takes place when they are precisely aligned. If something is happening to gravity once a month, wouldn't we have noticed by now?"
*snip!*
The NASA/Marshall team plans to observe on August 11, 1999, Gravity filed with a high precision gravitometer located at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, AL. The gravitometer is a state-of-the-art gravity sensor tested as part of a Marshall project entitled "Ultra-high precision gravity measurements". Noever and Koczor are using this extraordinary device to carry out sensitive experiments in gravity physics at the Marshall Space Flight Center. They are also exploring the history of peer-reviewed gravity research and repeating or recasting experiments that would benefit from the high precision afforded by the gravitometer. Allais’ work falls in this group.
The instrument reports very small changes in the gravitational force acting on a mechanical spring-mass. Gravitational changes are expressed as the electrical force (measured as voltage) required to maintain the spring-mass system at a predetermined position (the null point). The modified LaCoste-Romberg gravitometer (Edcon, Inc. Denver, CO) measures relative gravity until calibrated against a reference. The instrument is routinely calibrated along the 10-station Rocky Mountain Calibration range established by NOAA, Edcon and the Colorado School of Mines. The calibration is validated by comparing the measure of absolute gravity in Huntsville Alabama with reference values from the USAF gravity disk.
"If Allais’ disturbance is real, and if it has something to do with gravity, then we will be able to measure it to 10 significant digits," says Noever.
This is very interesting, honestly. The "Allais" effect would create quite the uproar in the field of physics. And upon learning of this experiment, i was very excited to find some results.
Except for one small problem: they "disappeared" with the data. Now, when i say disappeared, that may or may not be true. I have found links to a company reportedly owned by Noever, but nothing of Noever himself.
So, we have data that could very well prove a relationship between gravity and electromagnetism that has come up missing FROM THE VERY SAME people associated with Dr. Li during her groundbreaking work.
I am smelling more and more of a coverup here.
For reference, here is an article kind of summarizing the majority of the above story (from Allais own associates):
http://www.allais.info/priorartdocs/noever.htm
Also from that discussion, a 1999 letter to Noever about the eclipse data:
http://naturalscience.com/ns/letters/ns_let23.html
Another contributor emailed a Dr Robert Baker requesting info on Ning Li:
In December of 2000
Dr. Robert Baker filed the following patent:
Gravitational Wave Generator Utilizing Submicroscopic Energizable Elements
http://www.drrobertbaker.com/docs/US%20 ... 1%20B2.pdf
A gravitational wave generating device comprising an energizing means which act upon energizable elements such as molecules, atoms, nuclei or nuclear particles in order to create nuclear reactions or collisions, the products of which can move in a single preferred direction with an attendant impulse (jerk or harmonic oscillation) of an ensemble of target nuclei or other energizable elements over a very brief time period. The target nuclei or energizable elements acting in concert generate a gravitational wave. A preferred embodiment involves the use of a pulsed particle beam moving at the local gravitational wave speed in a target mass, which is comprised of target nuclei, to trigger a nuclear reaction and build up a coherent gravitational wave as the particles of the beam move through the target mass and impact target nuclei over very short time spans. An information-processing device connected to a computer, controls the particle beam's high-frequency, (GHz to THz) pulse rate and the number of particles in each bunch comprising the pulse in order to produce modulated gravitational waves that can carry information. A gravitational wave generation device that exhibits directivity. A gravitational wave detection device that exhibits directivity and can be tuned. The utilization of a medium in which the gravitational wave speed is reduced in order to effect refraction of the gravitational wave.
And received the following response:
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:46:48 -0800
Dear Mike: I really appreciate your interest in High-Frequency Gravitational waves. I have not heard from Dr. Ning Li for several years. In Huntsville several years back her husband prepared what my wife and I consider the best Chinese meal we have ever had. At the time I was evaluating her work on HFGWs/superconductors for the US Army. According to them she never presented them with a final report on the $500,000 contract that they paid her. I have no idea where she is or what she is doing. I am working with a
Professor Fangyu Li from Chongqing University . You can find information on our activity at
http://www.GravWave.com. Regards, Robert Baker
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 07:04:29 -0800
Thanks Mike for your interest. I have lost track of Ning Li since refereeing her never completed Army contract. You probably have found the
http://www.GravWave.com site. If not, then take a look. Robert Baker
Interesting chappie, Dr Robert Baker. Lots more links in the ATS thread.
http://www.drrobertbaker.com/cv.htm
Email around Feb 2008 from Ron Koczor (Ning Li's boss):
Hi,
Thanks for the note. But I'm afraid I can't help you much. I haven't seen Ning Li for almost 8 years. When she left UAH, she went to the Baltimore area for some medical reason ( I don't know what they were). Someone told me she came back to Huntsville a few years later, but we never had any contact since we ended our work together in the mid-90s.
I'm afraid that's the best I can do for you.
Ron
Hey wow, CIA SUN STREAK remote viewing runs circa 1989 on a similar device:
http://www.starstreamresearch.com/podkletnov.htm
reply posted on 21-3-2008 @ 01:12 PM by justsomeboreddude
BFFT, Your research into Ning Li is very interesting. I have been interested in her whereabouts for a while, but have had no luck in finding anything relevant or current. However, I wanted to suggest you look into one of her co-workers at the University of Alabama. His name is Douglass Torr. He has several patents as well. The last thing I found about him stated that he was at the University of South Carolina (If i remember correctly). One interesting thing I found (though I dont know if it is true) is that he sent out an e-zine trying to raise funds to create an antigravity craft. I have found no current info on him. He seems to have disappeared just like Ning Li. Happy Hunting and I hope you have more luck than I have had
Check out this patent by Torr and Vargas. It looks like it was just issued on 2/7/2008.Torr and Vargas patent
Here is some contact info for Torr and Vargas (from 2004)
Jose G. Vargas1 and
Douglas G. Torr2
PST Associates, 600 Westover Rd, Columbia, SC 29210
PST Associates, 5221 Tern Place, Fayetteville, NC 28311-
803-772-4431,
[email protected]
and check out page 229 of this pdf
http://www.unm.edu/~isnps/pdfs/2004abstractbook.pdf
Louis Essen is interesting:
Have Einstein's relativity theories ever been "generally accepted"?
Many prominent scientist have expressed their doubts, but one in particular should have been listened to. Louis Essen, professional metrologist, inventor of the atomic clock and co-author of a book on the experimental estimation of the speed of light thought Einstein's ideas ridiculous. He may well have forfeited a Nobel Prize for saying this rather too publicly. As he said, Einstein’s theories arbitrarily made “space and time intermixed by definition and not as the result of some peculiar property of nature … If the theory of relativity is regarded simply as a new system of units it can be made consistent but it serves no useful purpose”.
http://www.btinternet.com/~time.lord/Relativity.html
http://www.btinternet.com/~time.lord/
Edit: Rene'-Louis Vallee's 'Synergetique' theory of which Essen thinks highly:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/synergetics.pdf
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm
This one's interesting also:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/ ... brown.html
THE MORGAN EXPERIMENT:
First Independent Confirmation of Wallace's Results?!
Kedrick F. Brown, December 16, 1999
About two years ago, Harvey Morgan published the results of an experiment which he claimed demonstrated the existence of a gravitomagnetic type field [1]. I quote from his article:
" A mechanical experiment confirmed that momentum is indeed a field phenomena. A 2 pound lead flywheel was mounted on the shaft of a small, very high speed (26,500 RPM advertised) electric motor. Another flywheel was mounted on a ball-bearing shaft aligned with the motor shaft. The two flywheel's parallel faces were separated by about 1/16"…When the motor was energized, it accelerated the lead flywheel towards it's top rated speed. The other flywheel, in response to the changing angular velocity and momentum of the lead flywheel, started turning briskly - in the opposite direction! The changing momentum field of the lead flywheel induced a torque in the other flywheel across an airgap. Newtonian mechanics does not predict that reaction.
When the electric motor was turned off before reaching top speed, the other flywheel stopped turning . It then started turning slowly in the same direction as the lead flywheel, urged by the collapsing momentum field and the air coupling between flywheels. "
reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 06:34 AM by nablator
Hmm, is this why some of this stuff is 'bubbling to the surface' from the underground? No longer quite so secret?
Sorry about the long post but figured people might not want to wade through Above Top Secret, but there are some interesting folks there.