The discussion was about secret groups and conspiracy theories and my response was to try and shed some understanding on what such organizations are about, which is power. Twigsnapper makes references all the time about hard men and making life and death decisions and then acting on them. Most here seem to think that because he can quote poetry from Sappho (?sp) that makes it all quaint and a family movie. It isn't. If Townsend Brown actually developed or was involved in the development of a radical space propulsion device or communication system these things have the potential to overthrow the existing technological paradigm our modern societies are based on - and the corporate / group enities that depend on them for their existence. If these technologies exist and are being controlled by a group then there is a war being fought in the shadows over their control with other groups because it is a matter of control and power and survival. Control of the drug trade is a matter of control and power. Do you really think there is a division here? There is not.
Go back and look again at the posts previous to mine if you think I'm stepping out of line; this is what my post was in response to:
Grinder wrote: Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: more questions
Elizabeth, of course you know that last post of yours hit me like a two ton brik.
So I just flipped out and decided to simply type on Google
Cabazon Wackenhut Townsend Brown.
Try it yourself everybody. You are not going to believe this. grinder
Trickfox wrote: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: yet another brown connection
Quote:
1/18/02
MICHAEL YOUNGER, ALLEGED "COM-12" SOURCE, IS DEAD
According to one source, Younger was a friend of Michael Riconosciuto, a
fuel-air explosives expert and a key figure (and witness) in the so-called
"INSLAW" scandal of the early 90s. The "INSLAW" scandal involved the
government's alleged theft of PROMISE software and the subsequent death of
journalist Danny Casolaro who attempted to document the scandal.
Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote: Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: fresh eyes
so here we are with MJ12 as a topic and I am guessing that this is all meant. So head smoking and eyes rolling back .... here we are .... we might as well start talking about all of this.
.... It looks like the Caroline Group? Well, it looks like what others would think might be a big, secret group .... ...... but I think with our eyes NOW we will be able to wade through and see the realities for what they are. It’s a wading trip I am not sure I am up for, but I will go if you all want to.
Victoria Steele wrote:Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: You take the first step, right with you
Elizabeth,
If you decide to take the first step into all of this you know that I will be right with you. And I venture to say that I will not be alone.
Use a little bit of logic. Grinder likes to point out that my presentation of information is somewhat deficent at times - he is correct. The reason for that is if a topic and various ramification have been previously discussed there is no need to explicitly detail all the various combinations and possiblities every time the subject is discussed. You can point out the ends of the spread to remind people what it is you're talking about but that should be all that's necessary to those familiar with the discussion. So, here I'll be a little more specific. There are at least three major relevant paradigms regarding this book and T.T. Brown's life:
One: He is that obscure sweet old man who putzed around with the ionic breeze prototype but never made any money off it. He dabbled in some electro-propulsion stuff and made a couple tethered discs fly around a pole while talking about UFOs. About the last thing we know of him is that he worked in the back of one of Jim Lee's labs putzing around on petro-voltaics and finally gave up and went off and died not much later.
Not much to write a book about. Certainly not worth twigsnappers time here unless he is in a looney farm with internet access.
Two: He was a protege of Tesla's (my addition) and helped develop revolutionary space and perhaps trans dimensional craft technologies along with instaneous galactic communication systems along with a host of other revolutionary technology that would turn the world upside down if they were released. He was genius who risked his life and lead a life of deception and mis-direction to keep this knowledge out of the hands of those who would abuse it to the detriment of humankind. This includes foreign governments, international corporations, and secret power groups.
If this were true and these conditions still existed and these powers that be thought for one moment Paul was going to expose them or the technology he would have a tragic accident or suffer a tragic heart attack or stroke. Did you see the reference to the death of the reporter above? There were actually five or more deaths related to that case. You all want to be reading Paul's obituary some day soon??
Three: Two above is correct except now for whatever reasons the power struggle is ended and the technology or the knowledge involved with it is under the absolute control of those who want it put to use for the common good.
This is the only scenerio (of the three any way) that makes any sense, with Paul under no threat, and a hell of a book at the end.
There is another possiblity of course, which is that Paul, and EHD, and twigsnapper and others are just pulling our chain because he's really doing a pscyh research study on group interaction dynamics over the internet. I don't mind. He told me who was behind the design of that lovely submarine so I'll cut him some slack.