CROP CIRCLE COMMUNICATIONS

[amalie]

Bulwark ,

"what is perceived as good by one can be perceived as bad by another"

It is not so , fire burns , if you do not eat you get hungry , you will feel pain if your body is harmed .

Those are realities , good and evil are realities, they are not conjecture or speculation according to the individuals point of view.

The peoples of the Islamic world do not have a choice to let Islam into their hearts , it is mandatory from birth that they accept and acknowledge whatever belief system , even if they do not chose or wish for that . To denounce or separate from the enforce tenet of the Islamic state could well mean death at the hands of a sharia or ecumenical court.

"Who are any of us to judge for judgement is relative to who is judging."

Because a point of view is relative does not mean that it is not valid, observations, judgements and so on are all relative, but people will and must always recognize what compromises suffering and what repression signifies and what freedom allows, because they feel it for themselves and they feel it for others .

Amalie

[amalie]

Trickfox ,

That is brilliant, hooray, so now you can keep all your internal universes where they belong !

I was going to suggest that it might be possible to clear the arteries with a thread , but I was worried you had already been taken away, so I thought it better to wait for news .

I am so glad you are better .

Amalie

[amalie]

Dear Forum ,

Talking about fish , which some were discussing lately

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1222907 ... =yhoofront

Anybody watch the debate tonight, just more and more about spending money and committing a military to squash terrorism, in all sorts of alternative locations , why not just squash the mullahs, who are the ones directly responsible.

America does not have a responsibility to deal with this phenomena, it is a matter that the internal Islamic political and cultural national and trans-national entities need to address .

Terrorism is an Islamic phenomena and the Islamic nations should eradicate it themselves .

Amalie

[FM No Static At All]

I will try to address everyone in this post. First to Ms. Amalie, I do not feel that because one is born under enslavement, that they cannot know the difference between it and freedom. As cruel as it may seem to you, we are not to judge what others believe in their hearts. As I said in an earlier post, if you were confronted by someone who would do harm to you or your loved ones, would you not act to protect them? Would you allow them to be harmed just so you can remain steadfast in your beliefs? As in the Star Wars epic, there is a force that permeates all of the universe, but when one chooses to operate from anger and hate, and not from love and compassion, it is called the dark side, and that is what distinguishes good from bad. Not the actions taken, but the motivations behind them. Luke's light saber cut as deep as Darth Vader's but it was the motivations that separated the two. Does your actions serve the highest good of all concerned? When we can answer in the affirmative, we know in our souls that we are doing the right thing thing.

I agree with you that America is not required to be the policemen of the world. It would fare much better for all if we took care of our own house first, and practiced what we preach regarding democracy and freedom. Since 9/11 personal rights have eroded in the name of national security. The same is also true of National Socialism during the Hitler era. But based on results, the members of the UN have not acted effectively in stemming the genocide, in stopping nuclear weapons proliferation, or protecting people from oppression by dictators who would allow citizens to starve while they languished in splendor from the economic aid given to help those poor people.

If we as a nation sit back and allow it to happen elsewhere, how will we be capable of taking action should that type of government abuse begin here at home? And while we are on the subject, I find that Ms Palin erred greatly in her remarks regarding the Vice Presidency, which Senator Biden made quite an effective point of in lamenting the abuse of power by Dick Cheney. Regardless of the outcome of the debate, I still do not find either presidential candidate appealing to me to restoring Constitutional government to the people.

While I praise the House for defeating the "bailout bill" I find that with the Senate passage of the bill, regardless of the fine points of oversight, if the House overturns their original vote and allows this bill passage it will hurt more than it will help America. Bailing out the markets and the financial institutions will only allow them deeper into our wages and lives. The bills I would like to see passed are the ones that will abolish the Federal Reserve and IRS, and restore America to a true free market system.

Mr. Calloway, you are certainly on the right path there. We do deny our own powers and create externally that which we deny in ourselves. Dr. Brown used that ability and Ms. Brown is aware of her own abilities. The scary part is when we know and choose to do nothing about it. And contrary to "we just don't realize that we know what we know" I think we do, and pretend not to, hence the question I keep asking. We convince ourselves that we don't know, so we can justify our inactions. The dangers always exist, whether we choose to be aware of them or not. Pretending they don't exist does not negate them from reality, only from our perception of reality.

In my view of the world there are no victims. We all choose the reality we live in at each moment. We all choose to open our eyes or close them. We all pretend not to know something at some level, and regardless of how we justify it, it still is allowing others to create the illusion of victimization. We are only victims of our own ignorance, which I feel is also self imposed. Dr. Brown's words, "it will be alright." and "go forth." can have many different meanings depending on who interprets them. A good example is this pending election. To the majority of America it is between Obama and McCain. But there are other choices to those willing to see them. Robert Barr is the Libertarian candidate. No candidate outside the two party system has ever shown much in the polls, and that is because they get so little press coverage. Even Ron Paul was hidden in plain sight from the public. Why? So that people will only see two candidates who will not rock the boat. Oh one may tilt it slightly to the right, while the other may sway it more to the left. But neither will make such sweeping changes to the system as they are both a part of that system.

The people voiced there views to Congress and the House responded. But the Senate decided they know what's best for us, even if we don't. Do they? And will the House reconvene and be swayed to change their votes and allow the bailout to happen? Then I pity your children and grandchildren, because they will be paying for this farce long after we are gone.

[Linda Brown]

I probably shouldn't engage in this conversation but I can't help myself!

Amalie.......... how can I possibly agree with your statement here? "Good and Evil are realities?"

Does an animal recognize good or evil? Or is it just man? Or more rightly put perhaps, the teachings of man.

Brutality, Cruelty, Indifference, Honor, Courage, attachments. All of those can be demonstrated by the lowest of animals around us. But Good or Evil? If anyone can find an example of that... Please lets talk about it. In my mind at least Good and Evil are simply perceptions. Personally I recognize one and turn my back on the other. Perhaps that is too simplistic but that attitude works for me.

And I agree that some sects in some religions are more brutal than others, and cause great dismay for most of us. Hard for us to understand the brutality of the rules of a desert tribe, but the desert itself is a brutal and unforgiving location and people usually reflect their environment. In many instances we really do not have enough understanding of the local situation to even come close to judging their ways of doing things or their beliefs.

I must frustrate you because I sense that you want answers in your life and I am basically much more comfortable with fewer answers and more questions, but It strikes me that more than one thing can be valid and true at one time and I shouldn't have to constantly make choices between what goes in the " good" box or the "evil" box.

Linda

[kevin.b]

As far as crop circles are concerned, I find that the devil is in the detail, I hope you are all not been dealt a nine card trick?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/66109
I know lots of muslims, I don't know any terrorists, except in movies made in the U.S.A, and here.
I ask them who are terrorists, they say the U.S.A.
I say there are no terrorists, just those with adjendas that create them.
All I can hear is FEAR, and fuel been added to FEAR.
They fear YOU, YOU fear them.
The Germans stoked the FEAR, communists, FEAR them.
Burn down the reichstag, blame the communists, then alter the frequencies.
I wonder where those Germans went?
Kevin

[Mark Culpepper]

Kevin,

Just to let you know that I appreciate your insighful posts.

Of course, I know many Muslims too. None of them are terrorists. But we here buy into so much of that perception bending crap that its hard to look through and see the truth because we are surrounded with it and as someone else said, we respond to our environment.

I thought actually of starting a new thread. Calling it the Potentials of a Pit Bull. Let me explain. Apparently somewhere in California a teacher decided that it would be a good idea to bring a couple of dogs into her class to discuss prejudice ... the dogs you see were pit bulls.

Now lets think about that decision for awhile. Her actions of course started a firestorm. You can just imagine. The dogs apparently had their awards for community service and seem good kind dog but of course public perception of them is more likely to see them foaming at the mouth and ripping children apart in front of horrified eyes.

What does this discussion have to do with what we have been talking about? We are talking about POTENTIALS here folks.

If there is an intelligence that is greater than ours ... would they look at us like those Pit Bulls? As good as we get ... is there still a potential for violence and bad behavior? Whatever religion we happen to place ourselves into ... they all have histories that could worry a person. Do we have the potential for violence? Unfortuneately I think that I already know the answer to that one. But how long should that prejudice last ... if there is such a thing " holding us back" or " protecting us from ourselves" .... all those statements about humanity " not being ready". So when does that all drop away? Or maybe this intelligence just looks at us like some look at a tail wagging Pit Bull, shake their heads and murmer .... I don't know.

So any doggie lovers want to weigh in on this one? MarkC

[Bulwark]

Bulwark ,

"what is perceived as good by one can be perceived as bad by another"

It is not so , fire burns , if you do not eat you get hungry , you will feel pain if your body is harmed .

Those are realities , good and evil are realities, they are not conjecture or speculation according to the individuals point of view.

The peoples of the Islamic world do not have a choice to let Islam into their hearts , it is mandatory from birth that they accept and acknowledge whatever belief system , even if they do not chose or wish for that . To denounce or separate from the enforce tenet of the Islamic state could well mean death at the hands of a sharia or ecumenical court.

"Who are any of us to judge for judgement is relative to who is judging."

Because a point of view is relative does not mean that it is not valid, observations, judgements and so on are all relative, but people will and must always recognize what compromises suffering and what repression signifies and what freedom allows, because they feel it for themselves and they feel it for others .

Amalie

Every so often I go out the Klondike to a little village of Tlinkits that I know. I try to learn their language and partake in their occasional potlatches and learn their customs. Quite different than what I have grown up with in the hills of West Virginia. Fire does burn and is not good for you as you are quite correct in that statement. What I don't understand is how you could take a simple observation that I made in the form of reference to a "movie" and turn it into a long dissertation with judgements that I am wrong. No problem, perhaps I am but then some observations are wrong for we are only looking at what we see but then perhaps what you are seeing is not what I am seeing. You are judgeing my observations and stating that I am wrong, again, perhaps so but that just may be in your world. Some may say that chopping down trees are a "bad" thing but then the native tribes I visit chop down trees from time to time and ask the spirits for forgiveness. What is right, what is wrong is a subjective analysis of where you stand. There are rights of passage that would appear to be cruel to some but are customary but are a necessity.

I watched bears hunting salmon, bad for the salmon but good for the bear. Depends on what side of the mountain you are on.

Bulwark

[FM No Static At All]

As far as crop circles are concerned, I find that the devil is in the detail, I hope you are all not been dealt a nine card trick?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/66109
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Burn down the reichstag, blame the communists, then alter the frequencies.
I wonder where those Germans went?
Kevin

If you mean NAZIs, they are in the Americas, spreading the propaganda of fear as they did when Hitler ran the party. Now they have a broader base and scope. Now they create fear and conflicts, terrorist events, so that knee-jerk legislation like the Patriot Act can get passed, which is nothing more than a denial of due process and civil rights. George Bush - "Constitution is just a piece of paper..." National Emergency will suspend all civil rights under Bush/Cheney.

The world is in trouble. Not by the created economic crisis, but from the very globalists that perpetrated the crisis in the first place. The same happened in the Great Depression, which was perpetrated by the option markets and banking.

[htmagic]

<SNIP>
I watched bears hunting salmon, bad for the salmon but good for the bear. Depends on what side of the mountain you are on.

Bulwark

Folks,

This is WAY too good NOT to put in a book. But Paul is busy with his. Anyone else have enough AMBITION to write one?
By the way, speaking of AMBITION:



I too, knew a Muslim from Pakistan. He was quite pleasant to be around. We didn't argue about religion, in fact we both went to see Kingdom of Heaven when it came out. I wanted to see the StarWars movie but he suggested we see Kingdom of Heaven and I'm glad we did see it. I liked the movie so much that I bought it. The movie points out that both Islam and Christianity had fanatics who thought they were right in the eyes of God, but if you want to be really honest, no one is.

This is like the same dilemma posed in the book, The Stars are Too High where 3 individuals create an aircraft so advanced that it might have come from outer space. So one of the members wishes to give it to the US. The other, a German (that developed the craft in the first place) wants to give it to the Russians as well for a balance of power, and the third wants to give it to the United Nations. They pull Dr. Alvin into their band and Dr. Alvin gives them something other than the either/or they are looking for. If you haven't read the book, I suggest you borrow it or buy it and read it. You will see many parallels to Paul's book and the forum.

I find who is in authority is who writes the science - perhaps that is changing.

the same can be said about history.

Perhaps it was TCG and his many friend's such as Kitselman, Sarchabcher, and Stephenson, that allowed him to cope and to see "It will be alright," and to "go forth" in spite of the others poking and prodding him? Perhaps?

Perhaps neither, Fred. Maybe it was the "Visitants".

Martin, don't feel bad about being dense. I feel the same way at times.

MagicBill

[Trickfox]

Things are moving very fast and I've got a lot of reading to catch up to.

Everything going fine here.... more tests are finished with excellent results again.....

Those big huge machine scanners are a bit scarry when they put you inside and start them up.

Anyhow let me catch up to what everyone is saying and I will comment later.

Sounds like a lot of new things being discussed that I'm missing out on.

Trickfox.

[greggvizza]

The only thing needing open heart surgery so far is my laptop. I'm sorry I'm late folks. I had a complete system crash last night, and this morning I was in a paninc to reformat my hard drive and reload my operating system.
As for my own open heart surgery....Well it appears that I won't need it after all.
Raymond

That is great news that you do not need open heart surgery; a big relief.

They should have warned you about taking your laptop with you to the MRI. While it is nice to have all your protons aligned by a 3 Tesla magnet every once in a while, just to clear out scattered randomness, it’s really tough on hard drives.

Glad to hear that your health is better than first suggested.

GV

[FM No Static At All]

Perhaps neither, Fred. Maybe it was the "Visitants"

I considered the "visitants" part of TCG and Dr. Brown being fully aware of them. Can crop circles then be messages they are sending among themselves?

[htmagic]

Perhaps neither, Fred. Maybe it was the "Visitants"

I considered the "visitants" part of TCG and Dr. Brown being fully aware of them. Can crop circles then be messages they are sending among themselves?

Fred,

Maybe TCG are really the Stonecutters in disguise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIXiIL50bw

Read Mr. Twigsnappers original post about test patterns, water content of the soil (mineral content as well), etc.

MagicBill

[Linda Brown]

Thankyou Bill and Fred for seeing what I was trying to say. <g>

Precisely what I was pointing to. Perhaps the "crop circles" are some form of communication that really has nothing much to do with us other than the fact that they happen to occur in a farmers field somewhere. Perhaps they are simply a testing pattern to doublecheck signals sent and received? Communications perhaps between advanced beings elsewhere and the " home team"

And the fact that some of these " printout test patterns" are obvious to us is just sort of insignificant really because I keep wondering what sort of " patterns" may be showing up where we would never notice. In the ocean perhaps. Anyone think that it may be possible to imprint a " crop circle" on the ocean herself using various plankton or sea life? Of course we could never see that because we don't have the instruments and even if we did have them, we wouldn't be looking.

His name escapes me for a moment but one of the men who discovered what they now call " Seamounts" was a fellow who shared that voyage on the S48 with my Dad. He went on to be quite important in the development of sonar .... But it was Dads suggestion that led him to discover the " Seamounts". Dad asked him to run tests out in the open and in very deep water, where no one had considered it useful or important. And Surprise, surprise, surprise. ( Why am I hearing Gomer Pyle in my head? <g>) Anyway. Looking for things that others would never expect in places never considered. Thats what this is all about maybe. And it just might be that once we start seeing this form of communication occuring then PERHAPS we will be INVITED to join the party line. If we are not smart enough to figure out what is going on around us then .... why should they bother? Linda