grinder wrote:You started this Justice with all of your posts . Now that you have responses, are they going to meet up with your expectations?
>< none of these responses have ANTYHING TO do with what i posted, its all been bullshit - "who are you, why should i beleive you, you can't post that, it's too much too soon, its not enough, what does this mean, what's your agenda, .....
><IF i were a psychologist and I was psychoanalyzing this forum like it was one person, you would be a Neurotic!
>< My expectation was that this would be filled with about 75% peanut gallery repsonses, 20% rail against it no matter what - becasue i can...4% I am comfortable standing by the standlines while you hang yourself and then 1% - I get it man, But what do you think about this?
>< I didn't have any expectations, so i am quite willing to expend a tremendous amount of time and energy IF i can learn something from that interaction with and exchange of ideas with that 1% - even if i have to deal with the 95% of KNowledge without wisdom.
You said something about a horse with blinders on. Are you sure that you h aven't allowed yourself to be that horse?
>< Sure - we are blind to the things we can't yet see!
I am waiting for your answer too about whether or not you have read Pauls book.
>< Already answered at length, by the time you read this. NO.
And like Gregg said, it really doesn't make all that much difference if you havent but it would explain a few things. Your rather haughty attack on Paul for not doing his work, (remember that comment? I do). I am sure I could pull it up.
>< Please do i am not sure what you are referring to, Paul is doing a lot of work, to what are you referring to specifically?
If you had READ his book I doubt that you would have the .... how did you spell them Mikado? Cajones? ( works for me) to say what you did.
>< Unfortunately there are never any less than two sides to every argument, thought, every action, and whatever you are referring - and your feelings about that, can only be based on a very small part of private "discussions," that I and Paul and the forum elders have been hammering out and discussing for many, many months now. So before you go assuming things, just understand that you do not have enough information to Judge any us in any way, becasue you truly have no idea what our motives and intentions, and as you are all so found of saying, "agenda."
And while we are taking exception to a few of the things that have been so liberally spewed in our direction I really have to say it was not kind of you to lump Elizabeth in there as someone who has not "bothered" to do her work. Nobody works harder than she does.( except maybe Paul) I challenge you on that point.
>< Sure.
So yes, like, and alongside Gregg. I want to know if you have bothered to give Paul the respect he deserves by reading the chapters that you can find so easily.? After all, why shouldn't we expect that of you? You posted all of Vasillatos work and thought that we should read THAT! So its boiled down to the old " put up or shut up". Maybe I am going against the trend of thinking here to give you every opportunity to express yourself.
>< Well, since you bring it up, the real reason i haven't read ANYTHING he has written is becaused i made a promise to myself that i wouldnt pollute my mind with anything that I didn't experience myself. I don't want to read something, some piece of knowledge that wasn't mine and put that in my book and in a sense, "steal," that from him.
>< I made a promise that i would not steal his ideas, his years of hard work as others have done to me, many times over and will i suspect continue to do so. (Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery) I told Paul i would not publish a word about TTB until AFTER he publishes his book. SInce my attention recently has been finishing my first book the norfolk incident and i got sidetracked doing the EYewitness conference for the Phoenix lights witnesses a few months ago, my sharing of knowledge here is in line with tying up loose ends of that book. THe second book I have written, Phoenix Rising, is the one that deals with TTB and as it is not nearly as put together as the norfolk incident, my TTB research was put on hold. SO that Paul (and others) would not feel threatened by my presence i pledged on my honor that i would not Steal his fire.
>< there is no way that YOU or anyone else here could know this, but Paul and others will confirm that I speak the truth. Now i can't steal Paul's line or tack on things if i read his book can I?
>< But i can try to find out what the most provocative information i have come across about TTB was in the form of the work by V. Like Paul I too have published my "BOOK" on a Forum - free for all to see. Despite our rather rough sabre rattling and introduction, I have no doubt, based on faith in a mutual friend, that we will be good friends if not irrascible foes. You can't put two bulls in a china shop and not expect a few dishes to get broken?!
It just occurred to me why you want all of our comments. So tht you can draw from us? So that YOU won't have to do the work yourself? Now, if thats your agenda thats shoddy indeed. grinder
Yeah that's it, i have learned so much here in the two days i have been here...............you guys have really enlightened me with your knowledge and wisdom.... I am trying to share somethings with you guys, but it doesnt really seem worth my effort, you don't want to learn anything.
