Unidentified Submerged Objects

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Thank you all for your masterful contributions.

And you are right kevin. Looking at these posts is like considering Alices looking glass. One side can not truly appreciate the other, yet experts in their own dimensions.

Where would we be without Rockys solid and well based observations of this world as we know it. And where would we be without Davids considerations on what that other dimension might be and how it might reveal itself. Somehow, as divergent as those thought groups seem to be there must be a way to see the whole of it.

So I back away and look at solid things with a decidedly mystical twist.

Did you all remember that it was Eldridge Johnson who became so enamored of the story of " Alice in Wonderland " that he bought the original document. Displayed it in a watertight case on the Caroline. Now, ask yourself, why would a man like that, so grounded in technical developments, be so passionate about a story which told of other dimensions and what it might be like to " go down that rabbit hole? Unless, of course, he was already aware of that sort of situation? Merely a question for you all to consider.

And here we all are asking again about Alice. Paul has even drawn directly from the book in some of his chapters. Is it because he too is becoming aware of these other dimensions? Its a personal question that only he can answer.

So then ..... what would it be like for the "frame " of Alices looking glass. Aware of both worlds but unable to affect either one because you see, a frame is just a frame and it has its own place in the story, even if it happens to be able to see both sides .

The other wierd situation about Hess. You are right about Hess being assigned to destroyer escort duty. You will also find that he was the one who ordered his sonar men to turn on their units when the standing order of the day, in deep water, was to have them off. Our sources tell us that it was Townsend Browns suggestion to Hess that he do this, and because of their longstanding friendship, Hess complied.

And one slight course correction on your statement David. These readings were NOT taken on the SURFACE of the ocean. Thats why they stressed that poor old S48 to her everloving limit ( so badly so tht her Captain reported to a shipyard right after the expedition that his sub was acting like a " wounded whale" and even Townsend Brown reported that not once ....... but several times they had actually exceeded what the listed crush depth was. I don't think they intended to do that but the S48 had a reputation for doing things her own way. But getting back. The reason she was used in the first place was that they didn't want to b taking readings from the surface.

Its just so ...... interesting .......... Elizabeth

[kevin.b]

Elizabeth helen drake,
I had no idea about whoever the bloke was buying the alice book?
I kept seeing reference to going down the rabbit hole, and just assumed it was a form of code, I honestly never related this to the alice through the looking glass book.

In Rockys post about gravity, something jumped out, LIMESTONE.

I consider very seriously, that everything upon this planet is created by a series of dead straight lines, that these lines never move, and therefore certain features and substances are congrgrated along certain of these lines, the really powerfull lines are the mainframe of a matrix.
This matrix has very powerfull crossing points, most are world known sites, but some will be below the deep blue sea.
This matrix in my humble hobbit opinion are out from beyond any known region of universe or where ever, and that all celestial bodies are formed by them, and are upon them.
This is why all are round, perfectly shaped to the lines, and this planet has a mainframe arrangement to the cardinal points.
If and when a pole shift occurs, it will simply roll around and align again to the same pouints , but in a differing alignment.
Huge depressions and upheavals will occur , when the sea bed will lift miles, and other areas will sink miles.
until it settles and adjusts.
As other celestial bodies align, and not align along a very complex arrangement of them moving along the lines, vast differing densities of aether will travel along specific lines, they will be so powerfull they will fuse granite to glass, they will scorch the planet surface of everything.
For the times they are a changing.
kevin

[grinder]

Guys, and Ladies

I just want to say that AFTER that sub trip Townsend Brown was CHOSEN for a cruise on the Johnsons " Caroline. OVER THE SAME WATERS where the sub had just been. Only this time they were supposed to be collecting things from the sea bed. Slightly different slant on things surely. BUT why is it that they went over nearly the same path?

Its almost as if Townsend Brown at that point was getting drawn into more than just his world of scientific research on gravity. He might have stayed in that spot but I think that the Caroline experience opened doors for him that certainly complicated his life!

Can you see it? Hes worried about gravitation, and the visitor who steps on board in Nassau ( see Chapter 30 please) is worried about the German threat and what his intelligence network has been telling him.

I see it that all of those people, after the Caroline docked, sort of hit the ground running into their various intelligence operations. And I see Townsend Brown being sort of swept up in it all. So that after that time he was never able to be just purely a research scientist. He had other things to worry about and all of those sort of drew him in all kinds of directions that nobody but Paul so far has been able to even START writing about. So what happens next? grinder

[Paul S.]

I had no idea about whoever the bloke was buying the alice book? I kept seeing reference to going down the rabbit hole, and just assumed it was a form of code,

Kevin, you do know there's a book being written here, right?

This business about the original manuscript of "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" came up in chapter 30:

https://www.ttbrown.com/defying_gravity ... oline.html

--PS

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Yes, proud to say, there is a book being written here! But kevin can be forgiven for missing out on the Alice in Wonderland reference. He would have had to go through it with a pretty fine toothed comb to notice the reference that you made so long ago Paul. And there have been those references to "the Matrix" too so the "rabbit" was mentioned there too. Easy to get confused.

I saw that too kevin. LIMESTONE. The word reaches out like a vibrating thread. You and I are alike. We pick stuff up like that and try to follow it where some others would never see it......WHY? because we can. Elizabeth

[Paul S.]

Yes, proud to say, there is a book being written here! But kevin can be forgiven for missing out on the Alice in Wonderland reference. He would have had to go through it with a pretty fine toothed comb to notice the reference that you made so long ago Paul.

Ah, I wuz jes funnin' 'im.

But you remind me to mention, in case anybody's missed it, that I've added a couple of Google "widgets" to the front page of ttbrown.com

One is a search function that confines the search to just this website. So if you enter "Alice in Wonderland," for example, you can find all previous references to that subject in the search results.

The other widget is a translator. You can get the results of your search, and the whole website, in any one of like 9 different languages, including Japanese and Chinese.

So..... konichiwa...

--PS

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Kevin and all those who are new to this story and perhaps picking up bits and pieces my suggestion is to read chapter 32.

https://www.ttbrown.com/defying_gravity ... tions.html

Tell me what you think after you have read it. Thanks Elizabeth

[kevin.b]

Paul s,
Just read through that part of your amazing book.

Many things can be written as fiction, that have a basis in fact.
if you wrote them as fact, you would be laughed at, as fiction your a hero.
The ability to cross between fact and fiction, is what Tolkien did with the hobbit.
That book is the first book I have ever read, it was fiction written about fact.

Your book will be my second book I will read , it will be facts about what was thought fiction.

Davids book will be fact.
Then I will have read the trinity.
kevin

[kevin.b]

Paul,
If Alice was so important, use her, she is well loved.
In the link below is,
OPEN A DOOR,
Alice finds a door,
The tree contains the door( read Davids blog on trees )
Upper and lower realms,
Branches and roots in either,
THE DOOR LIES IN BALANCE,
through which unbalance is made usefull.
http://www.sabian.org/alice7mj.htm

He was a dowser, who wrote that
The balance is positive and negative, I am positive about this.
Kevin

[Trickfox]

It's about you Kevinb.
I have a question. You have a young aititude yet you told us you were a skilled welder. I was wondering if you were in the 30s, 40s, or 50s. Sometimes you sound like a twenty year old then again sometimes you sound very old. Many of us here have met, others we have pictures for, but you are a mystery, and I sure would like to know a bit more about your personality. I haven't yet flown over your domicile but I'm about ready to look it up and do a bit of RV to sense a bit more what kind of happy houligan you are. (no insult intended)

Trickfox

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

kevin,

That was a WONDERFUL LINK. Thank you so much!!!!!!!! Elizabeth

Hooligan indeed Trickfox, coming from a master mental troublemaker!
I happen to think both of you are glorious works of nature.

[Rocky]

All,

Some additional pictures and other information on the S-48. She was rated to 200 feet when launched on Feb 26, 1921. Several pictures of her including a brief history of the ship are located at the attached link. It includes a picture of her while in the Panama Canal Zone in March 31, 1931.

Rocky

http://www.rddesigns.com/subs/s-boats4.html

[Trickfox]

A hooligan is not quite bad of a description depending upon your position. If you are a fan of something, or someone and you are convinced that person, or team or political structure is the ultimate solution to all problems, then you are tempted to go along with anything that will make you visible during a public discussion. Sometimes, Fans become hooligans and start tossing things around and generally causing havock. In my sense of the word I meant someone who is boisterous about a belief of some philosophy, to the exclusion of any other principle regardless of if they make sense or not. Some people would plow down a complete field of red roses, just to plant a single dafodile. They are doing it to show that they can grow something beautiful. We get the point, however we lost a whole field of Red roses trying to understand it. In this case a comprehensive understanding of long held beliefs in a "FIELD", along with "Vector", "Tensors", and "force" is being confused to no end. I, for one consider it to be a form of hooliganism. L.Ron Hubbard was guilty of the same confusion spreading in some ways.

There might be plenty of changes left to make in conservative physics and the classical interpretation of the atomic model, however I will not go along with confusion and wild romps in wonderland to try to acheive success, there must be some order and convention in our tools and applications.

Trickfox

[kevin.b]

Trickfox,
My name is Kevin Bennington, Born 28.11.49.
I live in a small village called cropredy, in Oxfordshire, Uk.
I feel about 40, but am said to be 57.
I was an apprentice trained heating engineer and pipe fitter welder, both oxy acet and manual arc, I then trained others in tig welding for a leading blade manufacturer , basically for RR.
That is where I developed the hard facing with stellite.
Once they promoted me to welding eng.
I lost interest, they stopped me welding, ridiculous.
I then worked in the service industry, eventually becoming North of England manager, divorce because of too much fishing and a liking for leggy blondes, led me to Oxfordshire , where i switched totally into antiques, i now run an antique centre, and scrape a living on my wits.
I have been able to dowse from an early age, I dont fully understand how early, but was really taught as an apprentice.
My grandfather ran off with Buffolo Bills circus in the 1890s and spent several years with them, he was a sergent major in the boar war in 1900, and a sergent in the first world war, so I am lucky to be here, he was in his late fifties before he married.
I only found the leylines I waffle about 18 months ago, whilst searching for some ancient megaliths for a friend.
In an instant, I KNEW, ever so much, but not the questions, very odd?
I just knew instantly things, things I had no comprehension of.
I have since back tracked where I stood, and realise I was on a part of the mainframe of this matrix I detect, i can only assume , some sort of high potential hit my empty head and found lots of spare space?
I will never doubt those who say anything odd like this ever again.
My life is now a sort of quest, mainly to fathom , what is moving the rods in my hands.
I know I am part of that, not physically, but I seem to align and match with what I think about.
I have measured what i detect by labourious trial and error, all of that is in my head and hidden away from here.
When I am absorbed and interested in something, I just seem to find about it, and i RECOGNISE things.
I recognise what matchs that which i detect, very few others will, and I can recognise anyone who is a dowser from how they talk etc.
kevin

[kevin.b]

Elizabeth Helen Drake,
Chapter 32,
The girl dying in the pool, if you go back and save her, everything would change, it can't be done , unless it was done?
If it was done , then nobody could know, then she would become whoever she would become.
If you go backwards, then you can influence things to become as they do, who knows what may have happened if certain things hadn't happened?
You never know, when people accuse you of talking to yourself, you might have been?
That would take some handling?
You would need to be very restrained, and to see yourself die, would be bizzar.
If you went forward and saw lots die, then would you be able to avert that?
It could end up with you zipping back and forth , checking how any alteration panned out.
I have played this out in my head, as I consider it possible.
If everything moves at almost no time, then if you stand still, and do this thousands of times, you may come back seconds after you started?
Any problems with the craft though could leave you high and dry running away from dinasors.
Probably safer to inch forward in time, and perhaps not be as old at any moment as you otherwise would be?
Kevin