Part II Begins Here

Use this section for any discussion specifically related to the chapters posted online of the unfolding biography, "Defying Gravity: The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown
Locked
AM

Post by AM »

Hello Mr. Langley,

your name reminds me of an excellent TV-movie with the title "The Langoliers" (yes, Stephen King, etc.). And then you have the nice place in Virginia, where some people like to make their vacations. Which is it now?

You are moving on the Nazis with that Bell, ha? Like the area, but not the people. Have you ever heard of a certain Walter Gerlach?

AM
Last edited by AM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:49 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Langley
Senior Officer
Posts: 620
Joined: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:31 am
Location: AUSTRALIA

Post by Langley »

Hi AM, Ive seen the Langoliers, it was before I was married but she went ahead anyway. Film is a reasonable analog of my upbringing.

As for the other, I thought long and hard about using my actual surname on this forum. And of course I went ahead with it. As one would.

The name is a famous one, and I think therefore a common one in the US. Samuel Langley was a precocious dude who figured he could make a heavier than air powered aircraft. His solution was to convert a house boat into an aircraft carrier (pretty good thinking, why invent one thing when you can invent two at the same) I figure he was actually scared of heights and reasoned the water was softer than dirt. He was extremely perceptive.

Any way the house boat was pretty short and remained so after its conversion into the worlds first aircraft carrier. So he invented a steam catapualt to enable the aircraft carrier to function in its intended role as a launch platform.

Even though this seems complicated, I find it strangely attractive. I might be related.

I guess he figured if one or other of his inventions didn't work, he still make a packet from the remaining invention. and I think he thought the chances of both inventions failing was 50 : 50 which he took to be pretty good odds on the basis of his past experiences (him being a Langley an all)

(I pause to assure you that this is a true story)

I think from memory he invented floats for his aircraft as he intended to land on the Potomac (he was launching from there too, so its not as exciting as it sounds). And he had invented a sea plane. this improved his odds by a third.

Which went with the aircraft carrier real well.

Anyway the big day came and after some trouble getting the aircraft onto the aircraft carrier, he cranked up the steam pressure in the catapault to the max, got in and launched.

The aircraft immediately lurched and nose dived into the Potomac. This proves how far sighted he was, though he wasnt wearing a Mae West. However Samuel survived.

And that's why the CIA HQ is at Langley. The government wants to keep them as far away from water as possible in case anyone gets another big idea.

Yep, I just checked, its all true. Am reminded that he fitted his aircraft with the engine of choice, the steam engine. Probably because having max torque at zero rpm like an electric motor, it didnt need a gearbox.

I dont know where he stored th coal.

Being a Langley he was an optimist. Being who he was paradoxically rendered him subject to periods of depression. These came usually at the end of each invention cycle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pierpont_Langley

A number of things related to aviation have been named in Langley's honor, including:

* Langley medal
* NASA Langley X-43A Hyper-X
* NASA Langley Research Center (NASA LaRC), Hampton, Virginia
* Langley Air Force Base
* Langley Memorial Aeronautical Laboratory
* Langley unit of solar radiation
* Mount Langley in the Sierra Nevada
* USS Langley (CV-1)
* USS Langley (CVL-27)

Mount Langley sounds nice.


I looked up that fellow you mention and thats interesting. It seems to me things came to a head when the certain schools of thought and observation met just prior to WW2. I dont know much about the Nazi Bell, but it caused me to think cyclotron.
Langley
Senior Officer
Posts: 620
Joined: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:31 am
Location: AUSTRALIA

Post by Langley »

AM wrote:Hello Mr. Langley,


You are moving on the Nazis with that Bell, ha? Like the area, but not the people. Have you ever heard of a certain Walter Gerlach?

AM
This quickly popped up and we're straight into the story.
Walter Gerlach was born in Munich, Germany, in 1889. A brilliant scientist, Gerlach was one of the world's leading figures in the field of physics by the outbreak of the Second World War.

Gerlach was the chief coordinator of nuclear research at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Chemistry. However, working with Werner Heisenberg, Carl von Weizsacker and Karl Wirtz Gerlach and his team were unable to develop an atom bomb.

In April, 1945, Allied forces arrested German scientists such as Gerlach, Otto Hahn, Werner Heisenberg, Carl von Weizsacker, Max von Laue and Karl Wirtz. These men were now taken to England where they were questioned to see if they had discovered how to make atomic weapons.

Walter Gerlach died in 1979.

he was into spin vectors.
http://library.thinkquest.org/19662/low ... rlach.html

WW2 He was in charge of the "entire uranium project including radiobiological effects and radiation protection"
Science, Technology, and National Socialism P180 google book

Interesting. He cites Lawrence in there re neutron dosimetry.
The US Uranium Project became the Manhattan Engineer District, commonly known as the Manhattan Project.

Hitler decreed an emergency nuclear energy program in Jan 1945.

Thing is, spin vectors have been discussed here. Theres something out there.

Now one problem Lawrence had high performance cyclotrons is that as the i deuterions were energised to I think around 19 MeV, Relatively predicted that due to mass increase they would cease to be in sync with the magnetic field of the cyclotron. And thats what happened. So Lawrence designed a syncro-cyclotron which the pulsed the field according to changing mass of the high speed particle. And he built it and it worked.

Now from my neck of the woods, the particles are already going, in lay terms, at the speed of light. So I figure that the extra energization pumped into them by the cyclotron is not increasing the linear velocity of the things, but must be modifying the spin vector. Now if a thing is going at light speed and is spinning how do the two velocities interact? And I thought that if a thing is "going so fast" as to experience relativist mass increase, it will be "going fast enough" to experience time differential or dilation or whatever its called.

And from the descriptions of the Nazi Bell and the cyclotron, I dont see much of a conceptual difference . The Nazi Bell had Chronos in its name?

The functional difference between the two, it seems to me, was that the cyclotron is huge and uses magnetic rotation to accelerate sub atomic particles. And Chronos reportedly had an effect at the level we perceive ordinarily. the descriptions involve a physical rotation and lots of electricity.

That's as far as my thoughts take me.
Gewis
Junior Birdman
Posts: 126
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:17 pm
Location: Utah

Post by Gewis »

Langley,

The deuterons aren't going at the speed of light. Normally they just sit there, and the cyclotron accelerates them to pretty-darn-fast. A 1 percent change in the relativistic mass occurs at only 14 percent of the speed of light, and relativistic mass will double at 86.6 percent of the speed of light. That's going to throw things out of synch pretty quickly, but it's not going the speed of light.

I hope that helps in your neck of the woods. :)

-Gewis
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research!" -Einstein
Langley
Senior Officer
Posts: 620
Joined: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:31 am
Location: AUSTRALIA

Post by Langley »

Gewis wrote:Langley,

The deuterons aren't going at the speed of light. Normally they just sit there, and the cyclotron accelerates them to pretty-darn-fast. A 1 percent change in the relativistic mass occurs at only 14 percent of the speed of light, and relativistic mass will double at 86.6 percent of the speed of light. That's going to throw things out of synch pretty quickly, but it's not going the speed of light.

I hope that helps in your neck of the woods. :)

-Gewis
Thanks Gewis. That helps filter some large flecks out of the mirk in my mind. I'll let the rest stand overnight and see what happens.

Darn Ive just cross threaded this.
AM

UPDATED POST!

Post by AM »

Dear Mr. Langley and Mr. Gewis,

I have strapped on my most shinning tin-foil hat and now we can all go on a wonderful ride into the Twilight Zone. I can already hear the music...

Walter Gerlach or old Walt as I would simply call him was indeed one interesting German. Did he love Wagner? Perhaps. Did he adore strict and corpulent ladies with heavy bones? Well, don't ask me.

What little I do know though, is that he was dabbling with magnetic fields and also gravity. You people have so many gold-nuggets all over the place here and yet you sometimes leave them in the sands.

Mr. Rocky was the first to make a reference to old Walt on this forum and boy what a reference it was! Nobody picked it up for a long time. And then comes Mr. Gewis and drops this little gem:

"Langley,

Thanks for the link! It's been some time since I looked at what the cyclotron really was. I had just seen, within the past month or so, a few proposals for testing resonance between electricity and gravity (torsion and curvature). I figured I'd put it on my list of things to try out. As it turns out, one of those proposals looks nearly identical to the cyclotron. Maybe coincidence.

Spin Connection Resonance in the Bedini Machine
http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a94thpaper.pdf

Devices for Spacetime resonance based on ECE theory
http://www.aias.us/documents/miscellane ... me-Dev.pdf"

Now, Nick Cook, when quoting Igor Witkowski has many interesting things to tell in his book "The Hunt for Zero Point" (Chapters 18 and 20):

"Witkowski's research led him to conclude that a number of these
facilities had been used by the SS for nuclear research work. But one site
did not conform to the pattern. In this case, he said, a series of
experiments had taken place in a mine in a valley close to the Czech
frontier. They had begun in 1944 and carried on into the April of the
following year, under the nose of the advancing Russians.
The experiments required large doses of electricity fed via thick
cabling into a chamber hundreds of meters belowground. In this
chamber, a bell-shaped device comprising two contra-rotating cylinders
filled with mercury, or something like it, had emitted a strange pale blue
light. A number of scientists who had been exposed to the device during
these experiments suffered terrible side effects; five were said to have
died as a result. Word had it that the tests sought to investigate some kind of antigravitational effect, Witkowski said. He wasn't in a hurry to agree with this assessment, he added, but he was sufficiently intrigued by the data to alert me to the possibilities. Like Witkowski, I was skeptical, a feeling that grew when he told me who had presided over the work: Walther Gerlach, Professor of Physics at the University of Munich and head of nuclear research at the Reich Research Council in 1944-45.

...

The documents that Witkowski had seen had mentioned the
involvement of Professor Walther Gerlach, the man charged with
oversight of Germany's atomic weapons programs.

...

Witkowski also claimed there were anomalies in the curriculum vitae
of Professor Walther Gerlach that placed him firmly in the orbit of the
gravity scientists, despite the fact that, ostensibly, his discipline was
nuclear physics. In the '20s and '30s, Witkowski discovered, Gerlach had
immersed himself in phenomena such as "spin polarization," "spin
resonance" and the properties of magnetic fields—areas that had little to
do with the physics of the bomb, but much to do with the enigmatic
properties of gravity. A student of Gerlach's at Munich, O.G. Hilgenberg,
published a paper in 1931 entitled "About Gravitation, Vortices and Waves in Rotating Media"—putting him in the same ballpark as Podkletnov and the Bell. And yet, after the war, Gerlach, who died in 1979, apparently never returned to these subject matters, nor did he make any references to them; almost as if he had been forbidden to do so."

Mr. Twigsnapper said in his recent post:

"Langley,

regarding your question ... I suggest that you and Andrew M open communications more fully ( not forgetting the Italians.) And remembering too the experiences of two young men traveling together before the war. They enjoyed the company of a lovely young woman who introduced them to her household.... an important household indeed. Trying to keep to Pauls line but there is a jumping of information here. You have to remain awake or you might miss it.

One line lead eventually to a sickly scientist holding a plumbline while building a house for some Russians. Ankledeep in mud.

There were other lines which went in other directions. I believe AM has an "itch" will help him see those lines and perhaps you could be a help?"

We have Sarbacher, Von Luck and at the end of course our old amigo Richard Miethe. Miethe, the expert with lung problems and a passion for high voltage. Now, how would old Walt tie into all this with his spin, magnetic fields and the gravity? And where did Sarbacher and Von Luck stay for a while? "The villa was the house of Belluzzo." (Chapter 56).

While Sarbacher and Von Luck were enjoying the company of a charming Italian lady, what did Mr. William Stephenson do? Our old Mr. X? Supposedly he liked to travel very much. And Italy is sure a nice country to be in. Oh, wait a second senor Tito Puente, was not the young Italian lady part of the Caroline Group and wasn't she the one who introduced the charming young lads to her lovely little org? And now please don't tell me that Mr. Stephenson never visited his Italian friends? What are then friends for? Do you know that song "Stay Just A Little Bit Longer" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Z_hskvz1M)?

"Included In this girl’s household was an important man in the town, an economist who was busy writing and studying. He had developed the first steam turbines in Italy but he loved the countryside and was a quiet, kind man. " (Chapter 56)

What else aside from steam turbines did Belluzzo do? Ah, by the way Tesla was also very much into turbines.

Mr. Twigsnapper, occassionally I'm thick as an oak plank. Would you join us in the Twilight Zone?

Andrew M.

P. S. Old Walt was not just into spin, electromagnetic fields and gravity, but also liked to play with things nuclear. Wink, wink.
Last edited by AM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:51 pm, edited 6 times in total.
AM

Post by AM »

Ladies and Gentlemen,

somebody should really invite Igor Witkowski to this board (http://www.igorwitkowski.com/)!

Mr. Witkowski, if you're already on board, a friendly namaste to you.

AM
Last edited by AM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:52 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mikado14
Mr. Nice Guy
Posts: 2343
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:49 pm
Location: Somewhere in Pennsy

Post by Mikado14 »

AM wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

somebody should really invite Igor Witkowski to this board (http://www.igorwitkowski.com/)!

Mr. Witkowski, if you're already on board, a friendly namaste to you.

AM
Andrew, are you asking to "join" the masons?

Mikado
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy
AM

Post by AM »

No, Mikado. I was entirely misunderstood. I had NO intention of dragging Masons, Knight Templars or anything similar into it.

I repeat this has nothing to do with Masons. Further I'm not implying that anyone is a Mason here.

I made the joke, because the contents express so well what is going through my mind just now.

You could as well put Scouts or Shitake-growers instead of Masons:

"-- Found on a cup of the Munich Society of Shitake-growers:

OLD SHITAKE-GROWERS NEVER DIE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO JOIN TO FIND OUT WHY"

Please try to savor the contents and you'll be soon yodeling on my frequency.

AM.
Last edited by AM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:52 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mikado14
Mr. Nice Guy
Posts: 2343
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:49 pm
Location: Somewhere in Pennsy

Post by Mikado14 »

AM wrote:No, Mikado. I was entirely misunderstood. I had NO intention of dragging Masons, Knight Templars or anything similar into it.

I repeat this has nothing to do with Masons. Further I'm not implying that anyone is a Mason here.

I made the joke, because the contents express so well what is going through my mind just now.

You could as well put Scouts or Shitake-growers instead of Masons:

"-- Found on a cup of the Munich Society of Shitake-growers:

OLD SHITAKE-GROWERS NEVER DIE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO JOIN TO FIND OUT WHY"

Please try to savor the contents and you'll be soon yodeling on my frequency.

AM.
The contents of the cup? Then I should be eating shitake mushrooms?

Mikado
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy
AM

Post by AM »

That was a good one Mr. Mikado! Touche.

Shitake are the most charming, intelligent and handsome mushrooms that I have ever had the honour to make acquaintance with. As for champignons, well there are different. But I shouldn't say too much otherwise they will be offended. And if you offend a champignon, you know what happens, don't you?

AM
Last edited by AM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:53 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mikado14
Mr. Nice Guy
Posts: 2343
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:49 pm
Location: Somewhere in Pennsy

Post by Mikado14 »

AM wrote:That was a good one Mr. Mikado! Touche.

Shitake are the most charming, intelligent and handsome mushrooms that I have ever had the honour to make acquaintance with. As for champignons, well there are different. But I shouldn't say too much otherwise they will be offended. And if you offend a champignon, you know what happens, don't you?

AM
I'll have a bad mushroom day?

Mikado
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy
Gewis
Junior Birdman
Posts: 126
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:17 pm
Location: Utah

Post by Gewis »

AM,

You're right. There are a lot of nuggets. Sometimes you just need the right angle for the light to reflect off them before you recognize their glimmer. These forums are providing a lot of angles.

Just be wary of fool's gold.

-Gewis
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research!" -Einstein
AM

Post by AM »

Gewis, you're perfectly right about the fool's gold

There are two possible extremes and between them a myriad shades and combinations:

1. I may be on to something - pure or mixed

2. I may be taken for a ride (entirely or with a little true information mixed in-between) and then a lot of people are laughing in their fists and having a hell of a time on my expense.

Please, if anyone notices that I'm going down the wrong path, remind me of this. I don't want to spin more disinfo yarn that it's already out there.

AM.
Last edited by AM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:53 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mikado14
Mr. Nice Guy
Posts: 2343
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:49 pm
Location: Somewhere in Pennsy

Post by Mikado14 »

AM wrote:Gewis, you're perfectly right about the fool's gold

There are two possible extremes and between them a myriad shades and combinations:

1. I may be on to something - pure or mixed

2. I may be taken for a ride (entirely or with a little true information mixed in-between) and then a lot of people are laughing in their fists and having a hell of a time on my expense.

Please, if anyone notices that I'm going down the wrong path, remind me of this. I don't want to spin more disinfo yarn that it's already out there.

AM.
A bit of wisdom (I don't have any but I will delude you into thinking so), not every passenger on the bus sees the same things but they are travelling down the same road, in the same direction.

Mikado
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy
Locked