Canadian Connections?

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Canadian Connections?

Post by Victoria Steele »

OK everybody! Here it is!

If you come across any material that might link Townsend Browns work somehow to something very secret going on in Canada. Heres the spot to throw those randoom thoughts. The more the merrier!

I'll go first.

I join Elizabeth in feeling that maybe the meetings that Dr.Brown had with Dr. Sarbacher in the summer of 1962 might have been prompted by the sad reality of Wibert smith having been diagnosed with cancer. (he died in the winter of that year, am I right?) Apparently most of his "papers" had been somehow dealt with".

Mark Culpepper had the thought that Smiths declining health might have been the reason that Dr. Brown and Dr. Sarbacher were meeting (as per daybook records that Paul has mentioned having of Dr. Browns)

Now, as far as I know, as illustrious and as widespread as the Sarbacher/ Smith legend is in the UFO groups, and as interesting as Townsend Brown has been to them too ....... no one, to my knowledge has ever put the two of them on the same playing field at the same time. Considering from the daybook record .... they obviously knew each other, and were working in the same field of UFO (or Flying Saucers they liked to call them then) ...... Don't you find it interesting that there is no record of them being together OTHER than those daybooks. Anybody out there catching what I am trying to say? Its almost as if they might have taken pains to stay out of each others lives. At least in the open. Its the old " Walk on By ... wait on the corner" gambit! Victoria
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walk on by!

Post by Mark Culpepper »

Victoria,

You are one funny and smart lady.

I noticed too that the last comment Elizabeth made could also be on this discussion thread. She makes some very interesting points (as always!) So those of you who are trying to stick with this Canadian influence thread might want to take a look at her response before reading more of what I have to add to it. viewtopic.php?p=2634#2634

AND THIS IS MY TWO CENTS WORTH. I WANT THE COFFEE

"Townsend and Morgan, meanwhile, accompanied Mr. Graham to downtown Nassau, to a place called the Rootes Building. And here again we see the scope of Stephenson’s network.

The Rootes Building was named for Lord William Edward Rootes, aka The 1st Baron Rootes of Ramsbury, an inventive and acquisitive soul who turned his father’s bicycle shop in Kent, England into an automotive empire. At its height, the Rootes Group included the Hillman, Humber, Talbot and Sunbeam marques, and was regarded as one of Britain’s “big 6â€
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hot on a trail

Post by Victoria Steele »

Just wanted you guys to know that I have more big questions. I believe that Paul already knows this, hes' just not saying but in just reading what he has already written I can tell that he knows more than he can say at the moment.

But that doesn't stop all of us from looking in any direction that we want to right? Didn't somebody call this forum a "living breathing thing" and so ..... here is my current thought.

Canadian Financiers involving themselves in fighting the war in no small way. Stephenson running an enormous intelligence outfit, (Morgans quote was that he was offered a job as a SECURITY AGENT (must have been for the Caroline Group) and then he spells out his bases of operation anyway ......based out of Nassau, New York, Philadelphia Boston and San Francisco. THATS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION! Course I know that was THEN and maybe not NOW .... things change and "bases of operation" change. But I thought. You have to sort of let your mind get around the scope of things. Look at the bombers and the fighter planes. If you were developing something BIG .... like an actual Flying Saucer ... who would be more likely to be able to do that in the utmost secrecy.

Canada makes perfect sense. There are parts of Canada that completely isolated. Does this make sense to anybody else out there, or is it just me.

And here comes Smith suddenly, who runs into word about this "project even more secret than the Hbomb" ..... he gets this information from Sarbacher in 1950 (though NOT DIRECTLY, I am coming to understand) So what was Townsend Brown doing in 1950 Paul. What the heck was happening? Shoot. You are on vacation! I hope you are ready to work your raggedy ass off when you get home because I am going to have a LIST of questions for you! Victoria PS. Anybody else? Please jump in here with me!!!! Victoria
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Re: hot on a trail

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Victoria Steele wrote:Just I believe that Paul already knows this, hes' just not saying but in just reading what he has already written I can tell that he knows more than he can say at the moment.
I stated the same in a post under Sarbacher et al. I agree with you wholeheartedly in terms of Paul.

At least, we all should hope that he does for his presentation in Vegas. But, he does.

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disclosure

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I agree with you Mikado. I believe Paul is sitting on a WHOLE lot of information too that is destined for Vegas, but maybe not even be disclosed then. Its going to be really interesting to see what he decides he is going to present. He said it was going to be "the rest of the story"....

I know that Victoria was checking on that video of the conference and I definitely am going to get one too. I have friends that live in Vegas who are planning on going to the conference. I am still trying to wrangle my way there but I won't know for awhile. Its certainly going to be a landmark presentation I believe, and I would hate to miss it. I have a feeling people are going to be talking about this for a long time.

Of course I should be quarded against overly high expectations.

I believe that Einstein and his wife at the time expected an uproar over their publication of the Theory of General Relativity ..... and nothing happened right away. So I guess we should all be prepared for that kind of response too. But there will be a groundswelling of interest I know that for sure. You just never know who is AWAKE out there. grinder
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really, the "rest of the story?

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grinder,

I know that Paul said he was going to have to come to terms with telling "the rest of the story" but .......... I just can't see how that can be done.

First of all, perhaps he can tell "the rest of the story" as far as Dr. Brown is concerned. The man lived to be 80 years old and the idea is to tell his life story from birth to death so in that regard there has to be an end to it.

But I hardly think this story will stop. Its like some sort of ever expanding force field. You learn one thing that you never knew before and it leads to something else and that leads to something else. And strangely things all seem to lead onward. So far I haven't hit anything that I would consider a dead end.

Paul has complained and complained about all the holes in the story, all the places where he doesn't have solid answers to shove in there!

BUT DON'T YOU SEE? thats what makes this so special! Its like some sort of magic invitation that says ," Here are some clues, now what do YOU think happened?" And then each of us has been getting excited and involved and I can just imagine what its going to be like when there is more than just this handful of merry men and women on this forum. It will be like an explosion of mental energy!

And then the answers to fill those holes will come. But perhaps its this process that is so vitally important for some reason. We sort of have to "get there on our own" in a manner of speaking. We have to use what we have and what special gifts each of us has and we, maybe everyone who reads this book will play a part in what will happen in the future.

OK, done now. I'll go back to my corner. "Sit down Steele" used to be my call name. Victoria
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ball lightning again?

Post by Martin Calloway »

Hello everyone. I just happened across this little bit of information written by Nick cook in his "The Hunt for Zero Point". Try page 57.

"Vesco has stuck to his guns, never wavering from the conclusions he had espoused in his book: That the Germans had developed a truly revolutionary new form of air vehicle; that it was the British who had happened upon the technology at the end of the war and that they, TOGETHER WITH CANADIAN SCIENTISTS, had refined it in the frozen wasteland of British Columbia and Alberta."

Now, I submit. The "British didn't "HAPPEN UPON" the technology. They were looking for it. They just might have known where it was. And maybe they took along the one man they knew could identify the technology, because it was drawn from his earlier work?

At that point Cook sort of gets onto another trail and I am content to let him go in that direction. But this is interesting, isn't it? Who did Mr. Twigsnapper say he was working for when he was being Dr. Browns "armed escort?"? Did he ever even actually say?

My impression was that he was aligned with the British but I have a feeling that in his world there can be more than one loyalty. Shoot, Paul isn't here to ask but I have the feeling I am on the right track.

And Paul had asked "What was Townsend Brown doing in Germany?" which translates to me that he already knows in a general way that he was in fact there and was just hoping that someone else can come up with even more specific and additional information.

Maybe this will help turn your sights Trickfox into information which may become more available to you in Canada? What Canadian Scientists???? Martin
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Royal Marine Commandos

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OK Guys, just follow the trail that we already know about. Mark, you have the story of your Dads commando knife, which Mr. Twigsnapper was careful enough to supply to you. Don't you see what he is able to tell us with that.? Then when you pick up other information it makes even more sense! This is pretty good stuff because it all fits.

Thanks Martin, I got back into Nick Cooks book and found this part (page 59) that I know has been mentioned before on this forum but since I am sure we have other newbies out there who might be interested, look at this again! "I started with the British, whose initial stab at organized technology plunder was vested in the hands of a RAGTAG PRIVATE ARMY . composed bizarrely of sailors and Royal Marine Commandos.

Paul!!!! We have been here before, haven't we? Thats Mr. Twigsnappers group. PRIVATE ARMY????? composed of sailors .... and Royal Marines. Isn't that the operational arm of the Caroline group in 1945???????

Strange that Nick Cook writes it, but doesn't know enough to see it.

So when that "Group" ..... " That ragtag private army found the information they were looking for, under the cover of other military offices .... where did they send it? CANADA. grinder
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Re: Royal Marine Commandos

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grinder wrote:OK Guys, just follow the trail that we already know about. Mark, you have the story of your Dads commando knife, which Mr. Twigsnapper was careful enough to supply to you. Don't you see what he is able to tell us with that.? Then when you pick up other information it makes even more sense! This is pretty good stuff because it all fits.
I have seen this for awhile, also, if you read between the lines, Mr. Twigsnapper has answered questions, all you have to do is see. Of course, this is just my belief or interpretation of the way this man posts, it would be apparent that he's a sly fox. (If you read this, my hat is off to you, Sir)
grinder wrote: Thanks Martin, I got back into Nick Cooks book and found this part (page 59) that I know has been mentioned before on this forum but since I am sure we have other newbies out there who might be interested, look at this again! "I started with the British, whose initial stab at organized technology plunder was vested in the hands of a RAGTAG PRIVATE ARMY . composed bizarrely of sailors and Royal Marine Commandos.

Paul!!!! We have been here before, haven't we? Thats Mr. Twigsnappers group. PRIVATE ARMY????? composed of sailors .... and Royal Marines. Isn't that the operational arm of the Caroline group in 1945???????
It would appear that way, wouldn't it.

I will say this much. Mr. Twigsnapper, Morgan and somehow I believe there is another or two that perhaps Paul doesn't know, and they know more than can be said, directly that is. If I were them, I would be very careful of the information that I would tell. I would give oblique answers in an attempt to steer you in the proper direction. I further believe, that there was and still is a lot of respect that these individuals have for Dr. Brown. And more, Morgan is approaching 60 if not there already. Time for retirement I would say and maybe as Mr. Twigsnapper has said, "when it was decided that Morgan would come back into Linda's life" Who or whom decided this? Is his job done? Or was she the only one that made him feel complete and he felt that enough was enough?(That one's for you Victoria)

Another way to look at this is that fortunes have changed within the Group and the need for exposure has come. However, it would appear that not all in the group would be in agreement, otherwise, Paul could have stayed in a locked room and been spoon fed the information and this forum as well as the site would be moot.

In any event, I wouldn't be looking for any direct help from those individuals, at least not here, in this forum. I know that I wouldn't if I were in their shoes.

Well, my vote is for Miss Scarlet, with the missing notebooks in the library.

Just my humble, deranged, opinion.

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Still reading

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I Will post later, but me still needs to be in the e-mail notification link.

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it was decided

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Mikado,

Oh, my goodness! Something for me to think about. "It was decided that he should come back into her life" after so many, many years. And you are right, of course! WHO decided? And you are right too I think, Our Mr. Twigsnapper is a very sly fox. (though I rather expect he prefers to be the Master of the Hounds. ) Yes I did some studying on the rules and traditions of foxhunting but thats for another post!

Back to Morgan coming back into Lindas life. I just can't imagine that this was all business. And I think that you agree with me Mikado (make him complete, indeed. Thats what I would hope that the deal would be)

I think that Linda would deserve that, don't you think? As far as I can see she has been the devoted water-carrier for all of these important projects and I am trying to see what exactly she got out of this thing? I guess only she could answer that question.

And I can't possibily answer for another woman but until she corrects me, maybe she thought that all of it was worth it.

I don't know how it was that Linda and Morgan eventually split up and went their separate ways. I am guessing that 1966 was a pivotal year. 1965 She and Morgan spent the summer together. walking and talking all night on a beach in the Bahamas, right. Paul hasn't said too much about 1966 yet but in 1967 she was in Santa Monica and there is absolutely no mention of Morgan. ...... (except at the end of the chapter #4 "How Many Generals Does it Take?") Dr. Brown bluntly tells her that its time for her to "start her own life".

Now I wouldn't have cared where I was at that moment, if I were Linda, or where Morgan was , I would have tracked him down! Said something like ...." I'm free,free,free". Maybe she did and maybe his response was "But I'm not, not, not." OH I can't stand this. Thats probably what happened huh? Damn! I hate second guessing this story!

But thats a really good question. Why did he come back?

And Trickfox ........... huh?............ love you anyway! Victoria
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I just had to post a short note so that whenever anyone else says anything and I check e-mail, I know as soon as anyone posts. Otherwise everyone can carry on a topic that I've not posted yet, and I don't get around to reading all of it. The forum is getting rather complex with thousands of posts. At this point the only way to stay ahead is to post at least once in a topic so that you can keep an eye on it.

Leaving my own bread crumb trails I guess.

Do you understand now Victoria?

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Re: it was decided

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Victoria Steele wrote:Mikado,

And you are right too I think, Our Mr. Twigsnapper is a very sly fox. (though I rather expect he prefers to be the Master of the Hounds. ) Yes I did some studying on the rules and traditions of foxhunting but thats for another post!
In Mr. Twigsnappers line of work I believe it would be a requirement to be able to wear both hats, The Hound Master for mobilization and the Sly Fox for evasion.

Victoria Steele wrote: Back to Morgan coming back into Lindas life. I just can't imagine that this was all business. And I think that you agree with me Mikado (make him complete, indeed. Thats what I would hope that the deal would be)
If Morgan had an "entourage" on one of his first meetings with Linda, I would interpret that in one of two ways: 1) They wished to keep "their" eye on Morgan and keep him under surveillance or 2) He is very important and they are body guards.
Victoria Steele wrote: I think that Linda would deserve that, don't you think? As far as I can see she has been the devoted water-carrier for all of these important projects and I am trying to see what exactly she got out of this thing? I guess only she could answer that question.

And I can't possibily answer for another woman but until she corrects me, maybe she thought that all of it was worth it.
And maybe True Love never dies, it just hibernated for a few years. But another thought. When did Morgan come back into her life? Before or after Paul met her? I would venture to say that it was before. ( I will post this scenario when I have meditated upon it further).


I believe that the underlying impetus behind this story coming forth is nothing more than love. The love of a daughter who loved her father dearly and wanted his story told and then the love of one man to the daughter who is helping her. And then it goes forward.


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either/ or

Post by Victoria Steele »

My goodness, again. Your messages are really special Mikado.

Lets just say that our man Morgans life had turned him into some "super important individual". Bodyguards? Probably. But thats a double edged sword! How does he have the freedom then to have his own personal life, when he is under that kind of threat?

All the power in the world maybe but still not able to be with the person that he loved! maybe because with that power you develop enemies and the one major thing that was stressed to him from Dr. Brown was that Linda was not to be involved in all of that.

So I can see the problem. How do you re-introduce yourself into someones life? ..... when she has been safe and maybe even happy living the life that she has chosen without you? How do you continue to honor Dr. Browns wishes and still be close?

Maybe you decide to help someone write the book? So at least someone might eventually understand. Think I am on to something here?

waiting for your post meditation comments with great anticipation! Victoria
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switching over

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I do have something to add to the comment that Mikado made regarding when Morgan came back into Lindas life but I thought it would be better to switch to another forum site, so look for Morgans Return, which I am getting ready to put up.

That way this thread of conversation can continue without pulling away from the Canadian connection. Thanks Elizabeth
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