Chapter 42 - Your First Lesson

[Mark Culpepper]

Seems to me that I remember someone saying that a sub surfaced near Catalina while Dr. Brown was there for the express purpose of taking one of his "sensors" on a deep diving run. I can remember thinking how odd it would be that Dr. Brown would be involved in a sub expedition in the thirties with a globe trotting Dr. who was researching gravity and happened to be loaned a US submarine for the expedition.) I still don't know how that happens. Or how for example a sub would be at Dr. Browns bidding while he was on Catalina Island in the seventies.

So if there was a "Group" that was as powerful as Paul seems to think that the "Caroline Group"was, they were able to "pull strings" in the thirties, again in the seventies and probably right now. Does that make sense?

Yes, I agree with you Paul, it is odd that we are talking about submarines again. But I guess maybe soon it will be the right time? Odd huh? Mark C.

[LongboardLOVELY]

And then there is the picture of "Mr. Twigsnapper" and Dr. Brown in Paris in 1956 or so ..... I forgot what post heading its under. D Townsend Brown and the English I think? Something like that.

This story started out great and is just getting better and better! grinder

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Grinder, here's the photo link. It is in the section "The Character of Townsend Brown" and it is on page five of the discussion titled "Meeting Dr. Brown".
https://www.ttbrown.com/images/fouquets_800.jpg

Mr. Twigsnapper, I have a couple of questions for you. You must be about 5'5" or 5'4"? Were you a trained escort because of your size? In martial arts, especially in the Chinese Culture, the inverse relationship of size and power was always the case. Especially in Wing Chun. So is it the same in the military/paramilitary?
What is that belt that you are wearing?
Of all the smiles there, yours seems to be the most reserved. Why?
And, my final question ~ Why the pseudonym Twigsnapper?

I don't remember if there is any reference to how tall Townsend was, but you look to be about 1/2 foot shorter. Don't be offended. We short people still carry a lot of power and punch.

Linda B

[twigsnapper]

Linda,

No, not really because of my size, rather, inspite of it.

The outfit I was honored to join probably would not have taken me but for circumstances. I was wirey and small and thats what they were looking for at the time. Once in I was able to promote myselfand suddenly overall brawn wasn't quite as important as agility. And you are right, as I have explained to Paul, short punches usually pack more power.

And , have you noticed this? People SEE tall individuals where the shorter fellows sometimes go without a glance. As my career developed that particular trait became more and more important. That 1956 photo caught me in my "French mode". I doubt you would have recognized me out of that "look"

A reserved smile? Me?

The name Twigsnapper? I don't know. It fits.

What name would you pick for yourself? .

Twigsnapper

[LongboardLOVELY]

Linda,

No, not really because of my size, rather, inspite of it.

The outfit I was honored to join probably would not have taken me but for circumstances. I was wirey and small and thats what they were looking for at the time. Once in I was able to promote myselfand suddenly overall brawn wasn't quite as important as agility. And you are right, as I have explained to Paul, short punches usually pack more power.

In certain Chinese Martial Arts, the movements are decidely feminine; it looks soft, but in reality it is not. The legend is that a woman founded Wing Chun. Its techniques of positioning, leverage and the power of softness when used properly allow a smaller person to overcome a larger person.

And , have you noticed this? People SEE tall individuals where the shorter fellows sometimes go without a glance.

fellows and ladies. Yes I have noticed.

...The name Twigsnapper? I don't know. It fits.

Ok, but what does it mean? When you walk, you snap twigs?

What name would you pick for yourself?

I posed this question to my husband, and got a few laughs. I've had all day to think about your question, twigsnapper. Here are my top three choices:

Cricket
LongboardLOVELY
Pickwick

What do you think of my choices?

Linda B.

[LongboardLOVELY]

Seems to me that I remember someone saying that a sub surfaced near Catalina while Dr. Brown was there for the express purpose of taking one of his "sensors" on a deep diving run.

Yeah, Paul said that, Mark, I believe in the first chapter.

I can remember thinking how odd it would be that Dr. Brown would be involved in a sub expedition in the thirties... and happened to be loaned a US submarine for the expedition. I still don't know how that happens. Or how for example a sub would be at Dr. Browns bidding while he was on Catalina Island in the seventies.

How it happens or why it happened? How it happened is that people with money, influence and power saw a need. Maybe the real question is WHY

So if there was a "Group" that was as powerful as Paul seems to think ...they were able to "pull strings" in the thirties, again in the seventies... and probably right now. Does that make sense?

NOT "IF". There are most definitely groups like the Caroline Group in existence now. With the Cold War and Berlin Wall being non-existent, with China emerging as a major economic power, with the three "English" empires of the UK, US, and Canada losing financial ground, and with globalization it has become imperative for such "GROUPS" to maintain their existence and power.

Maybe Mark, we will hear much more of submarines. Right Paul?

LBolland

[Chris Knight]

I think the whole reason Linda and I were talking about nicknames was the importance. Remember Natty Bumpo from James Fenimore Cooper's Deerslayer?

Those were some good stories - especially Deerslayer.

Sometimes nicknames carry a lot of meaning.

Andrew

[twigsnapper]

Linda,

Oh, I definitely would pick the Longboardlovely. Got a nice ring to it.

Twigsnapper? Easy really. Jokingly in some quarters I am known also as a Twigmaster. Which is a reflection on the quality of teaching that I have been introduced into in the last few decades. As I got older and more cranky it evolved into "Twigsnapper." Some of my "twigs" turned into mighty oaks, some did not.

Yes, for you LBL appropriate. Twigsnapper

[LongboardLOVELY]

So, Mr. Twigsnapper, after you beat Morgan into a pulp, what happened next? Or are we going to hear the next part from Paul? I don't want to ruin the story.
Did he eventually grow on you? I assume he must have lost that cockiness pretty quickly. I've noticed that in young students that I train in my field. Some of them come out of school thinking (and acting) as if they knew everything. I know I was like that. Until I got the "you-know-what" kicked out of me too. Best thing to have ever happened.

Did he continue to train with you, Mr. Twigsnapper, or did the two of you part ways?

SO many questions, so little information.

LongboardLovely, LRB

[twigsnapper]

So true Linda, so little time, so much information.

I leave it to Paul to tell the story that he decides is appropriate to tell.

Like most things in your life and mine, there will be many things left out. Such is life. But the important information will somehow eventually reach the surface. Bubbles are like that sometimes. Its thier nature. Twigsnapper

[Mark Culpepper]

I have always been a schoolteacher, probably even when I was a student.

So I guess I have a knack for seeing the potential in what a person wants to say and for trying to draw it out into the open.

I just read this whole thread very carefully and I was struck at the end of it by your comment about submarines, Paul. You said, after this varied discussion surrounding the X subs, that you found it interesting that we all were even talking about submarines.

Now thats an interesting and curious statement to make. If you were my student, to get a better idea of where your line of inquiry was going, I would probably ask you " Where are you going with this? What other thoughts are you developing?"

Am I wrong with this hunch? That Townsend Brown had something substantial to do with submarines? And suddenly Tom Clancys " The Hunt for Red October" looms in the mist and I remember the comment "It has a propulsion system without any moving parts and WHAM, I realized that his research for the book has run right into Townsend Browns "work". I have this feeling that I must certainly be right in this, but Paul, can you confirm this? Submarines in todays oceans using a propulsion system developed by Dr. Brown so many, many years ago? Now thats funny. Everyone was looking for flying saucers. Mark C.

[Paul S.]

And you all thought I'd just vanished into the sunset. Ha. No such luck...

Am I wrong with this hunch? That Townsend Brown had something substantial to do with submarines?

I think you might actually be entirely right, Mark. Just don't ask me to "prove" anything in this regard, because now we're talking possibilities that are hidden behind the most dense layers of classification imaginable. We've all heard about "stealth" fighters and bombers, but have you ever heard anybody talk factually about a "stealth submarine" ? THAT's how well it's all hidden.

And suddenly Tom Clancys " The Hunt for Red October" looms in the mist and I remember the comment "It has a propulsion system without any moving parts and WHAM, I realized that his research for the book has run right into Townsend Browns "work".

Yes, well, exactly. I think I've watched that movie three or four times now since I started on this adventure.

I have this feeling that I must certainly be right in this, but Paul, can you confirm this?

I can discuss it. I can share your suspicions and intuitions. But confirm anythihng? You've GOT to be kidding!

Submarines in todays oceans using a propulsion system developed by Dr. Brown so many, many years ago?

Do you recall this picture from Chapter 27?



As noted, this is one of the very few images of the "marine" version of the gravitator that survives to this day. That fact alone is grounds for all kinds of suspicions.

A few weeks ago, when I first noted all this discussion of "submarines," I decided to sift through my notes -- my correspondence -- and see how many times the word "submarine" appears. In two in-boxes, I found 45 references, and when I compiled them into a single file it ran more than 15 pages.

You think maybe somebody's trying to tell us something here?

Now thats funny. Everyone was looking for flying saucers.

Hehehe... you do catch on quickly.

I have a photo here that sort've illustrates precisely what we're talking about here. Let me see if I can get "clearance" and I'll post it later.

Otherwise, it's still half-time and I'm still in the locker room giving myself pep-talks. Second half kick off will be in Vegas in November.

--PS

[grinder]

YOU ARE ALL ABSOLUTELY RIGHT and I don't need no stinking proof. Sometimes things that are true are just too damned obvious. You all just try looking up Unidentified Submerged Objects and just SEE what comes up.

BRILLIANT. BRILLIANT. tHE MAN WAS BRILLIANT. grinder

[Mark Culpepper]

What is the singlemost important arm of intelligence gathering in the world. The Silent Service they were called. Of course submarines!

And Dr. Brown would have kept his associations with them dead secret so yes, I can see that the interest in UFOs might have been a convenient (and maybe valid) sideline. But what was he actually doing? Protecting the things that he held most important!

Read about them everybody. What you can read. Try looking up the NRO and its associations with submarines. They have their own fleet almost. If it wasn't for the subs there would be no world wide reconn network. This stuff is fascinating. Mark C.

[Paul S.]

Here's the picture I was referring to. It just might be the single best illustration of the entire Townsend Brown saga.



This photo was taken in 1960 or 61, on the deck of the "Duchess," a cabin cruiser that Dr. Brown and the family operated out of Alexandria, VA, on the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay during that period. That's Linda seated next to her father, so I had to blur her face.

When he saw this picture, Morgan commented: "You sly fox! Point to the sky ...... go underwater!"

So yeah all this time, we've been lookgin for uFo's, when perhaps we should be looking for uSo's.

--PS

[Victoria Steele]

That is an interesting shot. I wondered who took it and why Dr. Brown was pointing to the sky like that. Certainly is almost a clue left behind? or am I just reading things into it? I mean ..... You call it an important and telling photogragh .........And Morgan seemed to substantiate that to you. Just a really interesting shot.

I did notice that Linda is holding on to her passion too, while her Dad is pointing to the sky and she is very much at his right side. Notice that she is holding a little horse. I recognized it because I had one like it.

Indeed ,a very telling shot. Also telling is the fact that you felt it was important enough to Linda to blur her face for her privacy. That in itself speaks volumes and volumes toward the concept that this is an ONGOING project. And she probably is still dealing with that legacy. Is that even an appropriate word for this type of stuff.

Submarines huh?. Well, that would explain the sub coming to Santa Catalina to do something for Dr. Brown but it was never really mentioned exactly what. He had to have been important to the "Silent Service" or those who set the schedules. I can't even imagine a private citizen being able to pull that sort of weight.

This is amazing Paul. Watch out, I am stampeding in the direction about finding out more on Unidentified SUBMERGED Objects. Like Townsend Browns life, maybe all of this has been right under our noses all the time.

And now it strikes me that I know why Nick Cook missed all of this. He is into AVIATION. warplanes .... etc .... it would take someone more in tune with the sea to even SEE.

Can you talk more about what trail you are on regarding submarines and Dr. Brown? Is this going to be a major twist in the story? This is something! Victoria