Sanskrit

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Re: Sanskrit

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No lyin' -- a great tale.

We owe the classic Islamic civilization thanks for being a transmitter of ancient wisdom from Eastern sources (including Greek and Indian) into the Western world. It would be well to remember this, as Islam is too often totally demonized in the West.

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Re: Sanskrit

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Tepanation. A cross cultural phenomenon. So...that's why my pepper has been tasting so strange!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning

Rampa has not been the only one. I have enough holes in my head...I'll pass on that one.

Amalie,

Hey! I lived in the bay area for 9 years! Used to commute across the golden gate everyday.

such an experience might well just show how very unstable my mind has become ...
You are in the right rabbit hole.
If we were to witness a craft that can manipulate the very fabric of space/time, then the visuals would be unique to say the least. In the ancient texts about vimanas, one of the technologies was invisibility.

well qualified "lunatics"

Lunartics?

The sun pulses magnetic waves to us every eight minutes

Yes! Cool article..pulse of the universe! It is an electric universe! Reminds me of Ouspensky/Gurdjieff.

'Pipestone Quarries"
I have found beautiful artifacts behind my house...perfect axe heads, hair pipes too! It is almost as if I can step back in time there. A special spot!

big speeding black jet plane , which had a red fire exhaust ( really )

The red indicates incomplete combustion...the best conductor for biefeld-brown effect! Magic Bill!

Does seeing something that does not formally exist mean that ones mind is faulty, could it be that I need a proper diagnosis !
Or should I assume that some sort of extra- terrestrial or super normal communication has occurred?


Our source is the eternal, the divine spark. Sometimes we see it...it sees us. Just natural.

Now...anybody got any cheese?????

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Re: Sanskrit

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Upanishads:

The wise man beholds all beings in the Self and the Self in all beings. For that reason he does not hate anymore.

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Re: Sanskrit

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Sometimes Rose leaves us little tidbits that are so subtle and beautiful that I worry they won't be properly noticed and appreciated. So here again is one of her latest little gems.

"In the interdisciplinary study of consciousness at the level where physics and human anatomy meet, there is a theory that the microtubules in the human cytoskeleton are the conduits (quantum tunnels) for bringing exterior consciousness into our individual awareness.

Just thought I would bring that back up to the surface again.

Thanks for everything Rose. Linda
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Re: Sanskrit

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Yes....more than meets the eye!

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... s-fou.html

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Re: Sanskrit

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Kevin,
As you said...unchanging...

Divine Ground....the foundation of creation...

Brahman is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe.

Our very consciousness.....

Yes...to actually realise that one is and always was of Brahman nature....

It is said that Brahman cannot be known by material means, that we cannot be made conscious of it, because Brahman is our very consciousness. Brahman is also not restricted to the usual dimensional perspectives of being, and thus enlightenment, moksha, yoga, samadhi, nirvana, etc. do not merely mean to know Brahman, but to realise one's "brahman-hood", to actually realise that one is and always was of Brahman nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

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Re: Sanskrit

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Skyfish,
I wouldn't say unchanging, constant flux more like it, with long periods of calm, followed by chaotic alteration with a change in the inputs and outputs leading to a change in the baked cake.
I percieve of a duality, in fact a triple state, where neutral conveys the two opposites, this is the trinity.
That duality, operating in a lattice grid of fibonacci based geometry that leads to fractal points , is enticed to follow it's own very nature of attraction to the rare female positive created side of the duality, and that the geometry has a mainframe geometric basis, which creates the apparent movement of time, but is in fact the omni present duality moving and been subjected to resistance at the geometric points that are continually creating and then aniliating, thus the flows are similer to an orchestra, with a rise and fall occuring along each spiral pathway with tidal surges crashing along the mainframes and flowing out into the fractal network accordingly.
This will lead to sudden alteration in the harmonic , lets call it, sound of music, that all of creation is formulated to, thus sudden change, even to the location of mainframe geometries which in turn lead to pole positions changing on the spheres, not the spheres moving at all, but the flow directions that create the field parameters relative to each sphere.
This will all follow a cyclic spiral nature, and I suspect this is well known, but only to a certain select few.
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Re: Sanskrit

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One person's nde account...

There was also the sense of a great burden having been lifted from me. I had been here before. I knew where I was by now, though I cannot name this place. I had returned from whence I came, and I don’t know what it is called. Though I have heard many labels applied, this could have been heaven, purgatory, some kind of samadhi, a collective of souls, I personally do not know what to call it. I will only try to describe it as I remember, as I believe to label the place is to call it something it is only partially. I had been here before.

I was no longer alone, could feel the presence of another. It was as if somehow our feelings, emotions and knowledge had merged. Then came a voice. The use of the word voice is interesting, as I had no sense of hearing, and I suspect no ears though I do not have a good memory of what my “body” in this place might have been like. This was more of a thought in my mind, which was not a thought of my own. It was the thought of another. This was a sort of telepathy, but quite natural to me as it was quite familiar. Not only was the telepathic style of communication familiar but I also recognized the particular other whose thoughts I was sharing.


http://www.nderf.org/mark_j's_nde.htm

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Thank You

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skyfish wrote:I was no longer alone, could feel the presence of another. It was as if somehow our feelings, emotions and knowledge had merged. Then came a voice. The use of the word voice is interesting, as I had no sense of hearing, and I suspect no ears though I do not have a good memory of what my “body” in this place might have been like. This was more of a thought in my mind, which was not a thought of my own. It was the thought of another. This was a sort of telepathy, but quite natural to me as it was quite familiar. Not only was the telepathic style of communication familiar but I also recognized the particular other whose thoughts I was sharing.[/color]

http://www.nderf.org/mark_j's_nde.htm

skyfish
Thank You Mr skyfish for posting this. Whomever this person is, they managed to put into words what I couldn't but yet I still feel something is missing.

Everyday, at some point, I question if it was only the oxygen burning off in my brain.

Thanks, at least I know someone else who experienced and remembered.

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Re: Sanskrit

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Mikado........ something familiar.....
"We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

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Re: Sanskrit

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Linda Brown wrote:Mikado........ something familiar.....
"We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

Linda
It does seem familiar but ....cripes...I just can't place it. I believe I have heard you, or somebody, use the sentence - "Costing not less than everything".

..can't place it.

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Re: Sanskrit

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Mikado

Another part. Forgive me Linda, operating from an old mans memory here. <g>

In the uncertain hour before the morning
Near the ending of interminable night
At the recurrent end of the unending
After the dark dove with the flickering tongue
Had passed below the horizon of his homing
While the dead leaves still rattled on like tin
Over the asphalt where no other sound was
Between three districts whence the smoke arose
I met one walking, loitering and hurried
As if blown towards me like the metal leaves
Before the urban dawn wind unresisting.
And as I fixed upon the down-turned face
That pointed scrutiny with which we challenge
The first-met stranger in the waning dusk
I caught the sudden look of some dead master
Whom I had known, forgotten, half recalled
Both one and many; in the brown baked features
The eyes of a familiar compound ghost
Both intimate and unidentifiable.
So I assumed a double part, and cried
And heard another's voice cry: 'What! are you here?'
Although we were not. I was still the same,
Knowing myself yet being someone other—
And he a face still forming; yet the words sufficed
To compel the recognition they preceded.
And so, compliant to the common wind,
Too strange to each other for misunderstanding,
In concord at this intersection time
Of meeting nowhere, no before and after,
We trod the pavement in a dead patrol.
I said: 'The wonder that I feel is easy,
Yet ease is cause of wonder. Therefore speak:
I may not comprehend, may not remember.'
And he: 'I am not eager to rehearse
My thoughts and theory which you have forgotten.
These things have served their purpose: let them be.
So with your own, and pray they be forgiven
By others, as I pray you to forgive
Both bad and good. Last season's fruit is eaten
And the fullfed beast shall kick the empty pail.
For last year's words belong to last year's language
And next year's words await another voice.
But, as the passage now presents no hindrance
To the spirit unappeased and peregrine
Between two worlds become much like each other,
So I find words I never thought to speak
In streets I never thought I should revisit
When I left my body on a distant shore.
Since our concern was speech, and speech impelled us
To purify the dialect of the tribe
And urge the mind to aftersight and foresight,
Let me disclose the gifts reserved for age
To set a crown upon your lifetime's effort.
First, the cold friction of expiring sense
Without enchantment, offering no promise
But bitter tastelessness of shadow fruit
As body and soul begin to fall asunder.
Second, the conscious impotence of rage
At human folly, and the laceration
Of laughter at what ceases to amuse.
And last, the rending pain of re-enactment
Of all that you have done, and been; the shame
Of motives late revealed, and the awareness
Of things ill done and done to others' harm
Which once you took for exercise of virtue.
Then fools' approval stings, and honour stains.
From wrong to wrong the exasperated spirit
Proceeds, unless restored by that refining fire
Where you must move in measure, like a dancer.'
The day was breaking. In the disfigured street
He left me, with a kind of valediction,
And faded on the blowing of the horn.



You will find more familiar there Mikado .......... my best. twigsnapper
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Re: Sanskrit

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And ... while we are at it .... Since this is the Sanskrit category and I am slightly off base... but Beau Kitselman would have pointed this section of our quoted work out. It was one of his favorites and speaks to his character. A wise man and good advice.

"You say I am repeating
Something I have said before. I shall say it again.
Shall I say it again? In order to arrive there,
To arrive where you are, to get from where you are not,
You must go by a way wherein there is no ecstasy.
In order to arrive at what you do not know
You must go by a way which is the way of ignorance.
In order to possess what you do not possess
You must go by the way of dispossession.
In order to arrive at what you are not
You must go through the way in which you are not.
And what you do not know is the only thing you know
And what you own is what you do not own
And where you are is where you are not."


Linda ..........."and where you are is where you are not" twigsnapper
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Re: Sanskrit

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Mikado wrote:
Thank You Mr skyfish for posting this.

You are very welcome! I posted it with you in mind. I am always
struck by the similarities in nde's and the experience of
samadhi. It is said that the most adept Tibetan monks are
able to go into a deep enough meditational state that they
can "pierce the veil" and their descriptions are consistent.

Linda, Twigsnapper,
Those are truly beautiful quotes.

Shall I say it again? In order to arrive there,
To arrive where you are, to get from where you are not,
You must go by a way wherein there is no ecstasy.
In order to arrive at what you do not know
You must go by a way which is the way of ignorance.
In order to possess what you do not possess
You must go by the way of dispossession.
In order to arrive at what you are not


Just beautiful. Thankyou.

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Found it.

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The author was T.S. Eliot

I see the familiarity. I too have a difficult time remembering my "pre-war" years and cannot fathom what my "post war years" will be. I am haunted by the phantoms from those years, they challenge me and my fibre of morality on a daily basis, a challenge to my spirituality and my immortal soul. There are times that the only sure thing that I still have left is my anger for everything else is gone and I hold on to that anger for it being all there is. I am driven to find the answers to certain questions and spend coin for solutions to satisfy my imagination and some unknown force hidden beneath what others may view as still water but under neath it all is a turbulence that seeks satisfaction and justice. I am my Father's son but it is tempered by my Mother and that has delayed the harvest of what others have sown. The seeds that I planted have in turn bore their own and I see neither and not by my own will but by others influence. I will get my justice, but not today for I have a job to fulfill but when it is done it may be harvest time and they will reap what they have sown. And then perhaps the harvest will "cost not less than everything" for there is no calvary to come to the rescue for I am a calvary of one.

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