Chapter 37 - Missing Fingers and Reliable Sources

Use this section for any discussion specifically related to the chapters posted online of the unfolding biography, "Defying Gravity: The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown
Mark Culpepper
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so what you are saying

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So what you are saying is that Dr. Brown was the one to plan this entire book project? You know of course in the real world someone would be coming to take you away?

I didn't say I didn't believe you.

I have thought the same thing.

And this particular thread is just bursting with those thoughts.

Maybe thats why its the most viewed.

Maybe thats whats trying to get noticed.

Sheeze. MarkC
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Re: so what you are saying

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Mark Culpepper wrote:So what you are saying is that Dr. Brown was the one to plan this entire book project? You know of course in the real world someone would be coming to take you away?

I didn't say I didn't believe you.

I have thought the same thing.

And this particular thread is just bursting with those thoughts.

Maybe thats why its the most viewed.

Maybe thats whats trying to get noticed.

Sheeze. MarkC
Hello Mark, don't hear much from you, glad to see you are still on this side of the sod <g>

I too have had similar neuron activity <g> but I believe it is different, not that he didn't have a hand but it is a little different. It is easier to travel back on the timeline than to go forward but then that doesn't mean you can't, just that it would be limited.

How about looking at the structure of the "group"? I believe if the good ole Doctor had a direct hand in it, it would be a series of "if then" directives at best. Conditions and conditioning is second to the Communications. Communicating an idea or concept is useless if the recipient does not hear or understand.


This forum can not only hear, they are exploring.....and learning to comprehend.

Look to Lisa.

Speaking of white coats, been there, done that, and it was by my daughter. Be careful of what you say to a closed mind for there may be no key to fit the lock.

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being selective

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I can see that Mikado. Some people are just never going to be receptive to these sorts of things, no matter what. Even confronted with evidence and so called "proof" they will still be unable to " see"

But you are right about looking at others and how they are responding. I see it happening here with members of this forum. I see your active participation and Trickfox, Andrew and LindaB, Victoria and grinder of course and so many others it boggles me a little. Flowperson and Radomir and Gregg and ladygrady too .... Langley and kevin and Gewis ..... others I know I have forgotten to mention, forgive me. But I think that Victoria really struck the nail on the head when she said that she was given the impression that we were like windchimes and were meant to sound off in different ways to the breeze that no one can see.

And I don't know about the rest of you but this has profoundly affected my life and my daughters. She is studying like a fiend, bound and determined to get "credentials" and then to write about her grandfather. Into it nonstop. Like someone reached down and lit a fire! If this happens all over its going to be a great world folks.

And I keep remember something that I learned during the time that Linda Brown helped us with Lisas horse. She came out of nowhere really after Lisa had done the initial work, stood in the middle of our riding ring and showed us both a few more techniques. But what she really showed me was that it was up to me to trust the fact that Lisa could do what she set her mind out to do and that she could do it under her own power.... which was much more enormous than even I had expected. " Its not about the horse" Linda said and now I can completely see what she meant.

Most of this journey that all of us have taken together is not really about Pauls book either. Its even bigger than that. ( and I expect great things from the book!) Its just sort of the excuse for us all to learn things about ourselves. And what an adventure this is going to be! As Flowperson just said in another post (editing here Flow because I had omitted your name ... but just noticed what you had to say and its so appropriate! Townsend Brown was ahead of his time. Right .... so lets listen to this story and then get on with it ourselves!

Paul. I would venture a guess that if you were really tough on looking at who you WERE two years ago and who you are NOW .... I would venture to say that you have been improved by the process that you have been forced to undergo. Am I right? I suspect so. I know the heck I am a changed man, and a better father! MarkC
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as in this Lisa?

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Mikado, as in this Lisa? Lisa Randall?

from http://www.thelavinagency.com/college/lisarandall.html

What does Lisa Randall talk about?


Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensions
The universe has its secrets. Extra dimensions of space might be one of them. If so, the universe has been hiding those dimensions, protecting them, keeping them coyly under wraps. From a casual glance, you would never suspect a thing. Lisa Randall is out to expose those secrets. In her lectures she provides listeners with a new understanding of the universe—what it is, how it developed, and where it is headed. With a focus on the idea of extra dimensions, she tackles some of the big questions in physics and astronomy, showing how the existence of these dimensions would solve some of the major mysteries in the relationship between particle physics and cosmology—connections that are difficult to understand with only three dimensions. She also explores how we might actually conduct experiments to prove the existence of these dimensions. Randall is a brilliant communicator and, via her infectious enthusiasm, is able to make the most sophisticated concepts in string theory, holography, supersymmetry and cosmology accessible and entertaining. She is an outstanding choice for any campus group hoping to draw a mixed audience of specialists and non-specialists alike.

That one?

"IF SO THE UNIVERSE HAS BEEN HIDING THEM, KEEPING THEM COYLY UNDER WRAPS." Didn't Paul say something just like that? Or was it Elizabeth?

Bells going off in my head again. and then I hit this too:

LISA
RANDALL
One of the world's leading physicists, Lisa Randall is among the most cited and important scientists of our time. Her remarkable book, Warped Passages—a bestseller and a New York Times Notable Book of the Year—brings her quest to explain the fabric of reality, via string theory, to a broad readership. Randall has made the notion of extra dimensions one of the most talked-about scientific ideas of this decade.
The first female theoretical physicist to gain tenure at Harvard, where she is currently a Professor, Lisa Randall was also the first tenured woman in the Princeton physics department, and the first tenured woman theoretical physicist at MIT. In Warped Passages, she takes readers into the incredible world of warped, hidden dimensions that underpin the universe we live in. She describes, in clear, bright prose for the non-specialist, how we might prove the existence of a fifth dimension beyond the four known dimensions of time and space, while examining the questions that they still leave unanswered. With the book, Randall demystifies the science, and beguilingly unravels the mysteries of the myriad worlds that may exist just beyond the one we are only now beginning to know.

Randall's entire body of influential work in theoretical high-energy physics has changed the way scientists think about and research the universe. She gained her renown by investigating possibilities for particle physics and cosmology when there are more than three dimensions, finding that extra dimensions could have astounding implications, such as the possibility of a fifth dimension of infinite extent that is nonetheless invisible. This work overturned the canonical belief, held since 1920, that extra dimensions, should they exist, must be rolled up to a very small size. She has also shown how "warped" five-dimensional space-time could naturally explain the extreme weakness of gravity relative to other forces, which remains a major puzzle in conventional particle physics.

Lisa Randall was recently named to the TIME 100, a list of people who are shaping our world. A recipient of an Alfred P. Sloan Foundation Fellowship, a National Science Foundation Young Investigator Award, and the Klopsted Award from the American Society of Physics Teachers, Randall was also featured in Newsweek's 2006 "Who's Next" issue. She is that rare breed of scientist who not only makes rigorously tested and groundbreaking discoveries—she also works hard to make those maddeningly complex theories understandable for the average citizen, to whom these debates and findings could have a huge impact."

and pretty besides! What is the world coming to?


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even better

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Her sister Dana is beautiful too. And Trickfox, she understands the math. Indeed, just what is the world coming to? twigsnapper
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As a wise man once said here, we should not forget to listen to the women.

flow.... :wink:
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following statistics

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Everybody,

You know, I can sort of understand why Dr. Brown got so hooked into watching and making note of the readings from his recorders.

He figured that there was some sort of underlying "message" there in those figures and corresponding charts .......................and now faced with the odd statistics on " views" and subjects here on the forum I am coming face to face with the same sort of oddities and compuslsion.

What some of you have said is that there might be a hidden REASON for the odd difference in numbers between threads. That there might be something in those threads that are " calling to be noticed". Now I know ... thats an out of the normal observation but hello! ....

So I thought ... "if this shows in our Chapters section ..... where else might that big number , flashing, look at me light be?"

Look at the General Discussion. SARBACHER AND SMITH (Fusion in Philadelphia) has posted 10,625 views, well over its neighbors.

and the next closest: BLETCHLEY PART ( Why we are all here ) at 9100

Anyone find those topics and those threads strangely linked? Is it just what Paul and I have learned to call a cosmic ha ha? Or is this something that we should pay attention to?

And we must not forget the thread that Neenie started simply intitled "Meeting Dr. Brown" ..... its the all thread high at nearly 16000 views. Go figure? Elizabeth
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Re: being selective

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I trust you all have figured out by now that I turn my computers of on Sunday... whew...
Mark Culpepper wrote:Paul. I would venture a guess that if you were really tough on looking at who you WERE two years ago and who you are NOW .... I would venture to say that you have been improved by the process that you have been forced to undergo. Am I right? I suspect so. I know the heck I am a changed man, and a better father! MarkC
Well Mark, let's just say.... that's why I have a therapist.

As for Chapter 37, I'm leaving it where it is for now, but, frankly, the less said about that particular episode the better. Suffice it to say for now that it will likely not find its way into the second draft in its present form.

'Nuf said?

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Lisa

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And I thought we were talking about Steve Jobs' old girfriend... the one he named a computer after...
grinder wrote:Mikado, as in this Lisa? Lisa Randall?

from http://www.thelavinagency.com/college/lisarandall.html

What does Lisa Randall talk about?


Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensionsr
Funny where a case of mistaken identity can lead you. The "Lisa" that Mark C is talking about is is daughter, Lisa. I assume her last name is also Culpepper, not Randall.

As for Ms. Randall, she's sorta the "pretty blonde" equivalent of Brian Greene.

However, when she writes "The universe has its secrets. Extra dimensions of space might be one of them. If so, the universe has been hiding those dimensions, protecting them, keeping them coyly under wraps" she does get to the heart of the matter at hand, doesn't she?

I'll have to see if I can get a blurb for the dust jacket from her...

-PS
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nuff said

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Probably agree with you. But you know, this chapter really is valuable in its own way showing the kinds of stress that you yourself were undergoing. Shows that you are human. And frankly though I understand that it might get itself " polished out" of the final version .... it is part of what creates the heart of this story.

And thats speaking from the man who was so upset with you at the start remember. I know now that I had my own particular reasons and fears for reacting the way I did. What was your therapists number? <g>

And then I thought, here we are, all trying to cope with this story in our own ways and I wondered if Dr. Brown was ever able to talk to a therapist? Probably not. No .... wait ...... he had Josephine.

And again as Flow just reminded us. Some very wise man has been saying " remember the women."

I don't care what you eventually do with old chapter 37 Paul. I still consider it priceless. Mark C
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pretty blonde equivalent???

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WHAT?

You can't possibly think that I was going to let that slide past without a comment.

First of all, blonde one moment or not, both Lisa and her sister look like redheads to me and ON HIS BEST DAY Brian Greene would be hard pressed to catch up with either one of them.

So there.

Victoria
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Re: pretty blonde equivalent???

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My point is simply that the media seems to be taking notice -- for the reason stated. There seems to be an effort afoot to raise Ms. Randall's public profile, and making note of her appearance is a deliberate part of that effort. Just do a Google image search and you will see what I mean.
Victoria Steele wrote:both Lisa and her sister look like redheads to me
Does this look like a redhead to you?

Image

I could Photoshop it if you like... <g>
So there.
Can I get a raspberry with that?

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implied

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Paul.... the raspberry is of course implied!

So, can you get a picture of her sister Dana too? Just wondered what she looked like. Mr. Twigsnapper seems so impressed with both of them. <g> Victoria
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Dana

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Victoria Steele wrote: So, can you get a picture of her sister Dana too?
Dana seems a bit more of a red-head:

Image

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Re: Lisa

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Paul S. wrote:And I thought we were talking about Steve Jobs' old girfriend... the one he named a computer after...
grinder wrote:Mikado, as in this Lisa? Lisa Randall?

from http://www.thelavinagency.com/college/lisarandall.html

What does Lisa Randall talk about?


Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensionsr
Funny where a case of mistaken identity can lead you. The "Lisa" that Mark C is talking about is is daughter, Lisa. I assume her last name is also Culpepper, not Randall.
Wow, I made a post to Mark and the next thing you know, we are somewhere else.

I was speaking of Lisa Culpepper, not Lisa Randall. I apologize for the small reference but I was hoping that Mark would understand the underlying structure to the simple statement that I made. That structure is of a personal nature and I am sorry for saying it. I know Mark wishes a certain anonymity be maintained in re: to Lisa.

I am sorry for this Mark.

Everyone else, well go in what ever direction you wish....do it 3 dimensionally, much more interesting.

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