Chapter 37 - Missing Fingers and Reliable Sources

Use this section for any discussion specifically related to the chapters posted online of the unfolding biography, "Defying Gravity: The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown
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ladygrady
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cooperation

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Isn't it natural for there to be associated organisms that basically take care of each other when threatened by something from outside?

I can't put my finger on exactly what species I am talking about but I know that such relationships exist.

Perhaps the Caroline Group has taken up a position of " Guardian" of life here on Earth. Would it be able to do that?

If so then why do we still have all the problems of polution and warfare and things like that?

But maybe thats too much to ask of them? Maybe they leave the internal strife to us to figure out, and just watch the skies for incoming?

I am not that familiar with " green fireballs" either but from the little bit you gave us Paul it seems like no body has really figured them out. Even now. Wonder shat it is really that makes them that odd shade of green? And eyewitnesses apparently agreed that the things were silent. Thats odd too because even a meteor is going to make a poundful of noise. grady
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Re: cooperation

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My dear ladygrady, take the following as friendly banter over a beverage of your choice while looking above on a moonless night.
ladygrady wrote:Isn't it natural for there to be associated organisms that basically take care of each other when threatened by something from outside?

I can't put my finger on exactly what species I am talking about but I know that such relationships exist.


I believe Homo Sapiens will do that. They adopt the philosophy that my enemies enemy is my friend. Look at WWII and the Russians and what happened afterward.
ladygrady wrote:Perhaps the Caroline Group has taken up a position of " Guardian" of life here on Earth. Would it be able to do that?
Hmmm, care to tell us?
ladygrady wrote: If so then why do we still have all the problems of polution and warfare and things like that?


Freewill - If the Caroline were to come and control and say "do this or else" which is about what it would be, would be against their tenents. But you already know that.
ladygrady wrote: But maybe thats too much to ask of them? Maybe they leave the internal strife to us to figure out, and just watch the skies for incoming?
Why just the skies?


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Planet Ocean

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Someone very wise ( was it you Mikado?) recently made the comment that it made no sense that this planet be called Earth when it was quite obviously OCEAN. So point well taken.

But you see, I think that any beings that might be living in the oceans that we haven't met just yet are part of our own system. Possibly? There have been many many reports of those unidentified submerged objects through the centuries. I expect that there probably are many things in the deep dark blue that we have not even considered yet. Looking out over that broad expanse of ocean one gets a feel for the vastness of it. And as a friend of mine once observed so very wisely " Yes, and thats just the surface of it".

But maybe thats just part of the "US" where something booming in from really outer space might be considered with a little more care and concern .... as .... (clue the spooky music) ..... ""THEM.

Back to these green lights. An electrical phenomenon simply unseen before? Is it friend? Is it foe? In 1947 I imagine the world was a pretty scarey place for the military. All sorts of things were possible as far as weapons, that had been demonstrated. And this is really a scarey age where its obvious that entire cities can be obliterated in a flash. And then these odd green lights show up. I can hear the alarm bells ringing off the nightstands. grady
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Post by kevin.b »

JDB,
Picked up the red flag , went after Loomis, caroline ?.
http://www.uscg.mil/history/STATIONS/LO ... ion_1.html
section1,mentions a dr brown of the radiation lab& bell telephones, who's he?
section1, chapter two ,
talks of loomis , montauk, Bermuda, radiation.
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kevin.b wrote:JDB,
Picked up the red flag , went after Loomis, caroline ?.
http://www.uscg.mil/history/STATIONS/LO ... ion_1.html
section1,mentions a dr brown of the radiation lab& bell telephones, who's he?
section1, chapter two ,
talks of loomis , montauk, Bermuda, radiation.
Kevin
http://ieee-virtual-museum.org/collecti ... 6985&lid=1

I think it was 1922 that the NRL noted interference to radio signals beamed across Potomac River caused by passing boats. The guy (forget name) who headed the development of that retired at the time TT Brown joined NRL and he was stationed at same place.

MIT Rad Lab (there were are many "Rad Labs"
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noticing things

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I did notice this section from your link, thanks Langley

http://ieee-virtual-museum.org/collecti ... 6985&lid=1

"Despite these achievements, the value of radar was not fully recognized by the military in the mid-1930s. Program funding was low, as was interest in radar at high levels outside of the NRL. At one point an order was issued to cease all work on radar. Fortunately for the Navy and the United States, the work got done anyway and by about 1939, with war imminent, radar had become a new and valuable asset for the U.S Fleet. Once the United States was drawn into the war, the value of radar was more fully appreciated."

A fingerprint here. Do you see it?

" Fortuneately for the Navy and the United States the work got done anyway ..................." By whom? With what money?

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a leap toward conclusions

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Everybody know here that I am leaping for another vine that I don't know is out there or not.

Elizabeth, you are one amazing person and without your question here that other vine would not have appeared. But here is my answer. Here is my leap .... Alfred Loomis .... He showed up with the money and the support for early radar when no one else was going to fund it. Right? I ask that without doing my homework yet. But I think that I am right.

Why?

Because he knew ahead of time that it was going to be needed. And was a vital development. Am I so wrong here? Reaching for that other vine .... am I wrong?

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The vine Jane!

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Old joke in this office. I think that you have probably heard it before Mark but your reaching for the next vine brought it to my mind.

While teaching Jane to swing from vine to vine along with him Tarzan was heard to scream out in pain " The vine Jane .... the vine!" OK, enough giggles, back to work. Since this is sort of backyard history around here I thought that I would just insert this little bit of history for those who are not quite up to speed on it yet.

This is drawn from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Loomis

"Loomis had visited the United Kingdom and knew many of the British scientists who were working on radar. Britain, at war with Germany, was being bombed nightly by the German Luftwaffe, while America was still trying to stay out of the war. In 1940 the British Tizard Mission visited the United States, desperately seeking help to further develop and produce their technology. British scientists had developed the cavity magnetron, which allowed radar to be small enough to be installed in aircraft. Upon hearing that the British magnetron had one thousand times the output of the best American transmitter, Loomis invited them to Tuxedo Park. Because he had done more work in this area than anyone else in the country, Loomis was then appointed by Vannevar Bush to the National Defense Research Committee as chairman of the Microwave Committee and vice-chairman of Division D (Detection, Controls, Instruments). Within a month, he selected a building on the MIT campus for a laboratory, dubbed the MIT Radiation Lab. He pressed for the development of radar in spite of the Army's initial skepticism, and arranged funding for the Rad Lab until federal money arrived. (ANSWER TO ONE QUESTION)

While the management of the MIT Rad Lab was done by director Lee DuBridge, Loomis took his usual role of keeping the scientists clear of obstacles, and providing the encouragement needed when success appeared doubtful. The resulting 10cm radar was a key technology that enabled the sinking of U-boats, spotted incoming German bombers for the British, and provided cover for the D-Day landing. Loomis used all his business acumen, and his contacts in industry, to ensure that no time was wasted in its development. DuBridge later commented, "Radar won the war; the atom bomb ended it."

And isn't Loomis mentioned in something Paul wrote? grady
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musings

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Just a few musings, after reading these great informational posts-

Loomis’ astute investment strategy at the time of the Wall Street crash of 1929 reminds me of Floyd Odlum, his private laboratory and inventive insight seem somewhat reminiscent of Townsend Brown, and his involvement with yachts brings to mind the name Caroline. His European and British collaborations are interesting too. It was clearly a crucial boon for the cause of greater liberty that he was able to do what he did, as another relatively unsung hero in a way.

As ever,

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Loomis-Odlum

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A further musing-

Loomis stepping in to fund something of vital interest to the country and the cause of greater liberty is also reminiscent of Floyd Odlum.

Griffin
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another thought

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I agree with you Griffin, there are many similarities and connections between Odlum, Loomis and such a person as William Stephenson. You could add to the list the name of Eldridge Johnson also.

Odlum and Loomis especially had connections through a man named William Lear... and the work with guidence systems. They had business connections that interwove in an intricate manner. Allyou have to do is trace "Lear and Convair" and " Atlas" to come up with interesting connecting situations

All seemed to go to a cash position just before the crash and the depression that followed and then used the enormous fortunes that that insight generated to futher developments in science, even when it meant dipping into their own pockets to get things done.

William Stephenson is said to have never collected for any of his services during the war. Alfred Loomis of course made fortunes but when 1947 arrived he retired from the scene completely and lived in absolute privacy until his death in 1975. ( I am pulling that from memory so I hope that I am right.)

All of these men lived such quiet lives that no one even knew the impact that they had effected on history.

And what did all of these men have personally in common? Besides the above? Perhaps the friendship of a mild mannered scientist by the name of Townsend Brown.

Elizabeth
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early radar thread

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The name Loomis shows up prominently in this thread from months and months ago. See? We have already been here! What did Dr. Brown say? : Returning, returning" Its either we get back to the material or the material comes back around and hits us in the face until we really see it! Or .... something in between!

viewtopic.php?t=319&view=previous&sid=9 ... b5e28e8d4c

Notice how its Mr. Twigsnapper who points us in this direction and gets the conversation rolling. You have to watch him I think. Half the time I think he tells us very important stuff, we just aren't ready for it sometimes! Victoria
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Thanks for the memories

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Darn it Victoria

That was a great set of post back then in July 2006. I must admit that I had forgotten a lot of what was mentioned that far back so I think your reference to these posts here at this time is very pertinent.
Thank you again for reminding me about those precious bits of wisdom which made its way into our forum so many months ago.

That Mr. Twigsnapper is really impressive and reminds me of an orchestrator director.

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Radar Time and A bombs

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At this point I'd like again to point to this person

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_William_Titterton

Went from atomic studies to radar (was on team which produced the high output minaturised magnetron for aircraft use), to Manhattan Project (was the man who pressed to button which fired the Trinity Device). Was British. Was only non American permitted to participate in post war US atomic weapons test program and was linch pin UK A bomb program. Was established to be working for US and UK interests by Australian Royal Commission into the UK atomic tests in Australia (will skip the antinuke musings on that as not relevant here)

He was British. Loomis was British.

"After a call from Oliphant, who wanted to develop a small wavelength radiation generator, Titterton worked as a research officer with the British Admiralty for the early part of the second world war, working on radar systems. Though the work was classed top-secret, he was allowed to submit it to Birmingham and was awarded a PhD in physics in 1941."

Again I wish to point out the link between radar and atomic development.

As for timing, the detonation of atomic bombs at least for test purposes require highly accurate timing devices which trigger ultra high speed cameras and detectors. Loomis' work with there is relevant also.

As for atomic bomb effects, I believe some remain classified even today, and I believe that atomic bombs have gravitational effects which manifest as EMP as a result of mass to energy conversions. I dont know enough to be definitive.

But theres something about Radar (as I keep repeating) and theres a parallel track between Brown's work and nuclear research.

It all points to the development of a science of the nature of things which lies beneath the atomic, sub atomic and sub sub atomic structures.

And the relevance between radar and nuclear science may be the nature of the underpinning structure manifesting as a wave which determines the behaviour of local focal points which results in stable isotopic states.

Is it of poetic significance that Groves and Oppy gave the honor of pushing the Trinity button to an English Radar specialist? Who was also a nuclear scientitst?

These are my personal musings not based on any information I recieved in military training.

I point out for clarity that after an A bomb goes off, if you collected all the component parts of the fission fuel, and put it back together it would wiegh less. One can argue that particulate based ionising radiation looses energy and becomes matter again (eg alpha) but at the time of detonation mass of bomb is reduced and so gravity changed. What this does to time relative to the fuel and fission process I dont know.
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Post by flowperson »

Langley...Thank you for your last post. Most enlightening indeed. Yes the spectre of a unified reality begins to stare at us in the face beginning in the 1940's.

Yes we should honor those who have the ability to objectively stare into the maw of the abyss, and then help us to survive. Why not Titterton ? Why not Brown ? And all of the others we've never heard about until now.

flow.... :wink:
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