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[Linda Brown]

HEY QUESS WHAT/ WE ARE OVER 17000 POSTS!!!!!!!! YEA!!!!!!!!!

Back to the subject at hand:

Lying or stretching the truth to get money for his projects? I don't really know how to respond to that. If J. Frank actually said that I have to admit to being a little hurt that he would speak that way of Dad because I had assumed that they were very good friends and that seems a negative thing to say about a friend. Dad was always optimistic about the future. Maybe some interpretted that in the wrong way. There were many times when Dad did have to try to convince people around him that he was on to something and it was worth investigating. But who has not been in that position trying to promote a new idea?

If you asked Dad something that he could not answer he would simply say .....( we had a standard phrase we used. Some of you might have had it used on you .... it went something like this )..... "I appreciate your interest in this subject but at this time I am unable to comment further. Information may be released later."

One of the standards that he went by was a statement he was given when he worked for the Navy. He told me that they had said to him " Talk for an hour or so, but don't say anything."

So that is the type of misdirection you might have gotten from Dad.

He never lied to me. Of course, there was alot he never told me. Linda

[Paul S.]

...I don't think so.

And I agree, the tunnel diode may be in the missing notebooks. Now has anyone contacted Stan Deyo about getting a copy?

Unless Stan Deyo is Morgan's definition of "someplace safe... really safe... " then all Deyo has at his disposal are the 3 volumes of the open notebooks that Wm. Moore published, and also the Agnew Bahnson lab notes that Charles Yost (Electric Spacecraft Journal) obtained.

I think Mikado's observation that the "tunnel diode" is at least part of the content of the "black" notebooks that were turned over to Morgan just before Dr. Brown died is probably right on target. The time frame is right, and the whole "tunnel diode" topic is something that both Morgan and Twigsnapper have tip-toed around very gingerly.

What else is in the notebooks, i.e. what other doors does the "tunnel diode" open... well now, that's a subject for endless and fascinating conjecture...

--PS

(Edit: I see now Linda beat me to this subject pretty thoroughly. Once again a day late and dollar short... <*sigh*>)

[Paul S.]

"Can't we all just..... get along"
(from the victim of a famous police beating)

who was it that said this again?

His name was Rodney King.

I was in LA that spring of 1992. You haven't lived until you've heard the sound of shattering store-front glass less than 50 yards away...

--PS

[Paul S.]

"We may have just uncovered Morgan's identity. It is Stan Deyo." There Mikado. I have quoted you on that. And you who are so careful about the historical and technical accuracy of Pauls Forum. Ten years from now when this pops up as fact somewhere I am going to remind you of this and your twisted little sense of humor <g>.

I'm certainly getting a good laugh out of it now. Thanks guys.

--PS

[Paul S.]

I would be willing to bet that Paul would not put anything in his book that would be described with "weasle words" or any nebulous ideas that are not grounded in referencable facts.

Roger that, Mikado.

Last week I finished a "read through" of the first draft, making notes in red pen in my 774 pg double spaced hard-copy. I was surprised to find myself slashing red ink through a LOT of weasel words. It's funny how they crop up. Expressions like "appears to be," "may be," "could be," "probably," etc.... I was surprised how much I've used such expressions myself.

I've done my best to cut those expressions as much as possible. As Yoda might say, "there is either 'say,' or 'don't say.' There is no "appears to be."

The quest, always, is to say that which can be said, and to leave the rest on the cutting room floor. Where I do not know for sure, I try to make it clear, "this is what I've been told" (by unimpeachably 'reliable sources,' of course...<g>).

The conjecture I will leave to others. Lord knows there's no shortage of practitioners of the dark arts willing to pick up THAT torch.

--PS

[Mikado14]

"We may have just uncovered Morgan's identity. It is Stan Deyo." There Mikado. I have quoted you on that. And you who are so careful about the historical and technical accuracy of Pauls Forum. Ten years from now when this pops up as fact somewhere I am going to remind you of this and your twisted little sense of humor <g>.

Ok, on the open forum for posterity, here is my reply:

I will personally roll the magazine for Mr. Twigsnapper (and that old horse will probably still be here just to antagonize if nothing else...<g>) so that I may take my beatings. However, that is only if it comes back to roost in the barn.

Mikado

PS: I would bet that Morgan is rolling in his grave over this one....great, now I will have to contend with a poltergeist. If I here Jimmy Buffett in the middle of the night...I am outta there.

[htmagic]

PS: I would bet that Morgan is rolling in his grave over this one....great, now I will have to contend with a poltergeist. If I here Jimmy Buffett in the middle of the night...I am outta there.

That's because you have to play by "Kinja Rules!" LOL!

MagicBill

[Rose]

Lord knows there's no shortage of practitioners of the dark arts willing to pick up THAT torch.

But are they Carolinians? Paul, I gather from an earlier post that you think Morgan was the last of the leadershp of that line? If that is true, then it seems to me to indicate that the Carolines were an ad hoc group of wealthy and powerful men united by their shared understanding of international relations.

It would be natural for such a group to wind down after the cold war ended. Perhaps they could not exist without funding on Stephenson's level of wealth, or in the face of competition for human resources driven by the growth in the intelligence and security fields? Or perhaps they were not able to make the strategic business shift from operations in a world governed by white Anglo-European males?

This maybe or may not be relevant to the subject of antennas and periscopes that could hear as well as see:

Before radar, the British Navy used the Neville Shute's acoustic antenna as their early warning system. Shute worked with the leading acoustics company in Great Britain to design one which filtered out ambient noises and yet still picked up the sound of approaching aircraft early enough to give the gunners time to take their places. Its ability to hear other types of motors was an added bonus. When the antenna on a the last ship escorting a transatlantic convoy sounded all afternoon, the culprit was discovered to be a shadowing submarine.

Global issues are again cause for concern and it seems the world has not changed much since mr. Twigsnapper's times

You are so right, Tricksie. If one is inclined time to pray, or be a channel for peace, in whatever way ones path indicates, this would be a very good time to be doing that.

Linda...pack up the pup! I love road trips!

rose

Oh, yes, another factoid from my latest reading: Stephenson owned one of the earliest plastics factories in England, the Catalina plastics company/

[Paul S.]

Lord knows there's no shortage of practitioners of the dark arts willing to pick up THAT torch.

But are they Carolinians?

Hardly. I think you missed my meaning, or I confused it with a poor choice of words. What I meant is that there is no shortage of hacks who will speculate about things like TPX or the Nazi Bell, or pontificate at length about the Unified Field Theory or invent a whole school of science and call it something like "Sub-Quantum Kinetics" when they don't really have a whole lot to go on other than their own ruminations and statements that all begin with weasel words. And lately I've been noticing that there seems to be a whole sub-cult of fringe pseudo-science journalists who lend credence to all this conjecture. They all feed each other's nonsense. That's who I was talking about, not "Carolinians" (who, I think, we prefer to call the "Carolines," not that that actually matters).

It would be natural for such a group to wind down after the cold war ended. Perhaps they could not exist without funding on Stephenson's level of wealth, or in the face of competition for human resources driven by the growth in the intelligence and security fields? Or perhaps they were not able to make the strategic business shift from operations in a world governed by white Anglo-European males?

I can't really speak to that. You're considering it all from a geo-political perspective, but the sense I got from Morgan when the subject arose was that it was more a "human resources" issue.

Global issues are again cause for concern and it seems the world has not changed much since mr. Twigsnapper's times

You are so right, Tricksie. If one is inclined time to pray, or be a channel for peace, in whatever way ones path indicates, this would be a very good time to be doing that.

Yes, that specific "cold war" may be behind us, but not the mentality that fostered it. That seems to be quite with us.

Oh, yes, another factoid from my latest reading: Stephenson owned one of the earliest plastics factories in England, the Catalina plastics company/

Figures it'd be called "Catalina."

--PS

[Linda Brown]

Catalina Plastics company. Rose. You amaze me.

Pup and I would be delighted to have company. More on this later, certainly.

Is the Caroline Group dwindling? If that is the case and they are no longer able to swing the kind of muscle they used to swing ... where does that leave us I wonder? Or perhaps this is just a more quiet time. The space between the waves. And this might only be true of one segment of the Caroline Group as you have so well described it. Morgan was fond of mentioning what he called the " core" of the Caroline Group and it takes a bit of thinking to get your head wrapped around that concept. I doubt that they have backed away ... but then they never actually were hands on to change our own history. We basically had to do it. I sense thats the opportunity that is coming along now and I sure hope that we don't make a blunder out of this opportunity. Rose, I think what you might have picked up on is that with Morgans withdrawal from the field of battle, sort of speaking .... he would be damned hard to replace. In my own head anyway ... irreplaceable.

I happened to see a little comic strip the other day and it drew my attention because it was just one panel. High in the sky over a desert wasteland was a flying saucer. The good old model Adamski style. Stretched out on the sand was a human skeleton with a sign that said ....." We are the rulers of the world"........ the bubble from the saucer simply read .... "Idiots."

Not like me to be that downbeat but sometimes it just bubbles forth. Linda

[Paul S.]

The space between the waves

Remember where the saucer went at the end of the recent Indiana Jones movie?

Indy says it must have gone into space.

But Oxley (John Hurt) says no, "it's gone into the space between spaces."

Now, the thing I cant quite figure, is why would you need a flying saucer to navigate through "the space between spaces"?

I guess, in this case, just because you need a bang-up ending to your movie, and we do know how Steven loves them flying saucers.

--PS

[Mikado14]

[Hardly. I think you missed my meaning, or I confused it with a poor choice of words. What I meant is that there is no shortage of hacks who will speculate about things like TPX or the Nazi Bell, or pontificate at length about the Unified Field Theory or invent a whole school of science and call it something like "Sub-Quantum Kinetics" when they don't really have a whole lot to go on other than their own ruminations and statements that all begin with weasel words. And lately I've been noticing that there seems to be a whole sub-cult of fringe pseudo-science journalists who lend credence to all this conjecture. They all feed each other's nonsense. That's who I was talking about, not "Carolinians" (who, I think, we prefer to call the "Carolines," not that that actually matters).

What you have said Paul is exactly why when any legitimate "device" built upon fringe physics does come along and does what it claims, no one will take it seriously and most especially if put on the Internet.

Just a personal thought.

Mikado

[Paul S.]

fringe physics

The question for me is more along the lines of "how do you distinguish between "fringe" physics (i.e. out of the mainstream but valid) and "false" physics (out of the mainstream and NOT valid). I suspect there is quite a bit of the latter. And there's nothing like a gizmo that really works to substantiate the former.

At least, that's how I see it.

But trying to weed the really useful "fringe" stuff from the utterly useless... well, that's a bit of a challenge at the moment.

--PS

[greggvizza]

But trying to weed the really useful "fringe" stuff from the utterly useless... well, that's a bit of a challenge at the moment.

A working device in-hand helps immensely in weeding.

GV

[Griffin]

Hello Linda,

You wrote:
Morgan was fond of mentioning what he called the "core" of the Caroline Group and it takes a bit of thinking to get your head wrapped around that concept. I doubt that they have backed away ... but then they never actually were hands on to change our own history. We basically had to do it.

My comment:
I would simply suggest replacing "never" with "almost never" -- but then, that's another story.

As ever,

Griffin