MEETING DR. BROWN

[twigsnapper]

Neenie my dear, you have made my day.

And I thought of something that you might be interested in since you said that you visited Dr. Brown in Coronado. About the time that he was there the Navy had a big highfalootin project on the go they called "Project Dumand". I am sure that Paul has run across that and I hope I am not speaking out of turn regarding Dr. Browns story but this really has more to do with the Navy and your fish.

They spent millions building what they called " an array" of .... lets call them ... little pea- like sensors ..... which were to be submerged off of Hawaii so that "neutrinos" could be somehow registered. It cost the taxpayers millions of dollars and all kinds of time. And do you know one of the reasons that they had to discontinue the program? The fish kept eating the sensors!

Any other stories out there regarding Project DUMAND? Nobody was laughing then...... but its worth a good belly laugh now.

Twigsnapper

[Trickfox]

OK let's switch over.

"Quantum Hotel":

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[twigsnapper]

Paul,

I thought you might be interested in a little remembrance about Townsend Brown. I fear sometimes that people will get the impression that he was selfishly thinking only of his work while working in his lab. But I can assure you that much of the time he had his family very much on his mind.

In the mid fifties I was honored to be Dr. Browns escort while he visited England and France. At one point during a break in his work he asked me what I knew about horses. It was not the type of question I expected from him for some reason but he explained that his daughter was "horse crazy" and it was important for him to learn as much as he could about them "As quickly and as thoroughly as possible".

Dr. Brown had meetings just outside Cheltenham so I figured it would be a good start to go to the course. I had some buddys there and knew we could get into the barns for this lesson he was expecting from me. I did not expect that he would insist on getting up at four in the morning so that he could watch the morning works ... watch the way the horses were cooled off and bedded down ... He talked to the stableboys, the jockeys, asked me many many questions in rapid fire ...... Later we watched the running of the Gold Cup ... he made a remark that it was too bad that the track seemed so hard .... that it must be terrible on the horses legs ... a very astute observation considering that course had a very bad reputation for breaking horses down. I think he bet on the winning horse .... and then he went back to the work at hand and thanked me very much. I wondered after that how many busy fathers would have taken the day like that to "cram" on information so that he could keep up with a "horse crazy daughter..... when I read that he encouraged her to go to Southern Seminary so that she could ride ... I thought of that day. Twigsnapper

[Angela Bloomstrum]

In response to Twigsnapper.

This would be from that other perpective, the mystical realm, how similar it is, how very simple to see. A Father so loves his child ....... he would do anything ..... go anywhere .... to understand her innermost passion and joy. Just to be sure that he was a part of her heart ..... her life .... her being .... No matter where he was ...... or where she was going ...... the link ..... the passion, the love of hearts. A Father above, and one below. How very simple it is to see .... what is the reason for both..... Angela

[Mark Culpepper]

Mr. Twigsnapper,

I am sensing here that you know a whole lot about Townsend Brown and have known a whole lot about him for a very long time. And you have a military background, because you have said as much. And you made the comment about Dr. Browns "courage" which to a military man I have found usually means something special and is reserved for someone who has proven himself in that field. I have also sensed that any questions that I might have for you in that area would not be answered. Right?

So I will go where I think you have an interest and talk about horses. You said that Dr. Brown was interested in taking sort of a "cram course" on horses. It is touching as Angela inferred that he would demonstrate his love for his daughter in this way. Makes me feel kind of shallow because my idea of supporting my daughters interest is paying the board bills (Oh ... there is more, so don't think I get off cheap. Theres the trailer to put the horse in, then the truck to pull the trailer .... and then the riding classes and the gate fees and yes .... the new saddle for Christmas. But I figure its a pretty darned good investment and worth every penny. Most guys her age are "into" cars .... and as long as she is out on her horse, well, I know where SHE is.)

So I wonder how it is that Dr. Brown followed through on Lindas love for horses and how, with all of the moving involved, she was able to become the calibre of rider that I know Southern Seminary expected in those days. (I looked it up ... they had a very fine riding program while she was there.) But she had to have had other experiences with horses and how did Dr. Brown manage to provide her with that?. Knowing about them would have only been part of it. I know horse-crazy girls.! He would have had to have bought her a horse sooner or later .... so ..... did you perhaps help him with that? Its always good to have an experienced horseperson help in the selection. (I HAVE learned THAT.) But how was she able to keep up with having a horse if they were moving so much? Mark C.

P.S. PAUL, Can you help with these horsie questions? Mark C

[Victoria Steele]

I spent some time today pensively rereading some of these forum messages and I have come to one conclusion. People were genuinely FOND of the man. And that speaks volumes. Even those who never got to meet him seem to be impressed by his character ...... in all of these messages NOT ONE PERSON has been filled with anger toward him, or felt somehow wronged by him. Not one wordin that sort of direction. I don't know how many people have read these forums but it is interesting dont you think.

And one nice long letter from Patrick Q. (the fellow who worked for Dr. Brown on Catalina Island in the early seventies I think was just so filled with genuine regard for the man he called his "mentor", (I never did thank you Pat for taking the time to tell us all about your experiences with Dr. Brown on the Island. Just taking it for granted that you would realize that we were all just soaking up the information.

Just a quiet day for me .......... and so I thought I would share that observation. Victoria

[Mark Culpepper]

Mr. Twigsnapper,

After reading chapter 31 carefully I am beginning to get a better understanding of the kind of position Dr. Brown might have been in during the mid fifties. And now I understand better what your role may have been . You have said before that you served as his "escort" and now may I make a few leaps into thin air and assume that you might have been an "armed escort'? And taking from my knowledge of history may I also assume that the reason that Dr. Brown was able to enlist your assistance to "learn about horses" is that the course was not at all far from a place called the GCHQ?

I have been busy putting two and two together, as you can see, and this last chapter that Paul has posted has put an entirely different light on the agendas and the movements of Townsend Brown.

Will I have to wait to have Paul confirm what I have asked?

Actually I am not sure I need any confirmation. because I am working off of just personal satisfaction here. Its the only thing that makes sense. Finally I am better in my element. You see, I know a little bit about history and a little bit about Blinker Hall. And because of that, and my respect for those in that sort of work .... and if I am not totally out of line .... I will continue to refer to you as Mr. Twigsnapper. Mark C.

[Paul S.]

In the mid fifties I was honored to be Dr. Browns escort while he visited England and France.

Twigsnapper,

Your story about Dr. Brown's attentiveness to his daughter's interest in horses is indeed heart-warming. Linda would have been, what, 9 or 10 years old then, so it's really touching to see how seriously he took her interest.

But, as you can see from the above quotation, what most intrigues me about your post is the information that you served as his "escort" during the time that he was in England in France in, I surmise, 1955 and '56.

Surely you know that that period is another one of the black holes that punctuate Dr. Brown's life. Very little is known about his itinerary during that trip, who he met or what he did while he was there.

The common "legend" of Townsend Brown includes the anecdote that while he was in France, he successfully tested his asymetric capacitors in a vacuum chamber, which is often cited as proof that the "Effect" is indeed electro-gravitational, and not attributable to any "ion wind" type of effects.

So, if you accompanied Dr. Brown on that trip to France, were you around when that experiment was supposedly conducted? Is there any further light you can shed on that subject? Did, in fact, any such a thing actually happen, or is that story just the "cover" for more ... clandestine? ... activities that occured during that trip?

Feel free to contact me offline if there's any thing else you want to say about that trip. I think you now where to find me...

--PS

[Paul S.]

PAUL, Can you help with these horsie questions?

Uh, well, yes, to some extent I think I can answer some of those questions.... but, well, you know... all in good time.

You are right, Linda had to go to some pretty great lengths over the years to maintain her "horse craziness" at a very high level, and at least one or two of those stories will be told in due course.

But, let's see, the main story line is now up to 1933, and Linda was born in 1945....

I so appreciate your patience...

--PS

[Paul S.]

may I also assume that the reason that Dr. Brown was able to enlist your assistance to "learn about horses" is that the course was not at all far from a place called the GCHQ?

That's excellent work, Agent Culpepper. I hope your computer is not sitting in your lap, because it might self-destruct in 5 seconds....

You have done precisely what needs to be done in this quest: stop staring at the subject and start looking at the verbs and predicates, stop trying to see the wind and watch the leaves rustling in the trees.

You will be awarded an appropriate metal to honor your achivement, but of course we'll have to keep it for you in a trophy chest here at headquarters. If your meritorious service continues we will let you visit it from time to time.

Will I have to wait to have Paul confirm what I have asked?

Asked and answered?

I will continue to refer to you as Mr. Twigsnapper.

Most assuredly, MISTER Twigsnapper it is, SIR!

--PS

[Paul S.]

In the mid fifties I was honored to be Dr. Browns escort while he visited England and France.

Mr. Twigsnapper (SIR),

Your story about Dr. Brown's attentiveness to his daughter's interest in horses is indeed heart-warming. Linda would have been, what, 9 or 10 years old then, so it's really touching to see how seriously he took her interest.

But, as you can see from the above quotation, what most intrigues me about your post is the information that you served as his "escort" during the time that he was in England in France in, I surmise, 1955 and '56.

Surely you know that that period is another one of the black holes that punctuate Dr. Brown's life. Very little is known about his itinerary during that trip, who he met or what he did while he was there.

The common "legend" of Townsend Brown includes the anecdote that while he was in France, he successfully tested his asymetric capacitors in a vacuum chamber, which is often cited as proof that the "Effect" is indeed electro-gravitational, and not attributable to any "ion wind" type of effects.

So, if you accompanied Dr. Brown on that trip to France, were you around when that experiment was supposedly conducted? Is there any further light you can shed on that subject? Did, in fact, any such a thing actually happen, or is that story just the "cover" for more ... clandestine? ... activities that occured during that trip?

Feel free to contact me offline if there's any thing else you want to say about that trip. I think you now where to find me...

--PS

[twigsnapper]

Paul and Mark C.

I must say Mark C. I agree with Paul. Your attention to the possibilities of details would hold you in great stead in certain circles. Perhaps you have missed your calling. But no. There is no higher calling than teaching.

Paul. I am not sure how much help I can be to you regarding the scientific aspects of Townsend Browns visit to England and France. I was usually on the other side of a closed door. And, of course, outside of that closed door he never mentioned what was happening.

I did enjoy his good company. He, I could tell, was generally under alot of pressure from those around him. I am sure that I represented more of that pressure and you have guessed rightly Paul ..... not everything that was written about his work was on the mark for what he was actually doing. He was a very brave man, in a world that didn't have very many rules at the time. People who are not history buffs would not understand.

I do have some pictures of that age (and it does seem a different age ago) and I would be happy to get those to you. You decide what to do with them or if they would be a help to you. I don't believe that the family has copies but they may.

I just thought that the pictures might help you because I know that you worry about being factual in your presentation. So I need to present myself a little better. I am the fellow to Dr. Browns left in that one shot. Don't recall what we were laughing over at that particular moment. Wish I did. Twigsnapper

[Neenie]

Hi Victoria, Think Dr. Brown had the ability to create the atmosphere that the world is a friendly place. Didn't know as much about the horses, but did get to see the love he had for Linda and his granddaughter. He tried to have a cozy environment set up for their arrival. Patrick remembers lime green his favorite color so guess what the rooms were painted! Neenie

[Victoria Steele]

Thankyou Neenie.

Everybody else is talking about the big subjects such as Gravitational theories and all that stuff and you come along with the most charming and the most valuable insights of them all .... I don't think I will ever be able to see M&Ms without thinking of what you said about his peanuts and M&M treats in the afternoon .... and now .... a tropical color for the walls ..... I love it! I think that I would have liked Dr. Brown an awful lot. Thanks so much for giving us the special sight that you have of him.

Victoria

[Neenie]

Hi Victoria,
Patrick corrected the color. Lime green was the color we used to paint Linda's baby area. Avocado green was his favorite and had that color was used to where Patrick doesn't own anything in that tone! (He got to do the painting.) Neenie