NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

[Mark Culpepper]

For you new folk s out there.

It really is important to read some of the older posts to this forum! The combined effect is really pretty damned special. Try this on for size now that we are talking about "patches" and black triangles and things that go bump in the night.

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this part especially in view of Vince Whites statements recently:

As the well known French physicist, Jean Pierre Petit, explained to Paris Match magazine, "we are living in a time that is the beginning of a period of openness. First the Berlin Wall crumbled, now the wall of silence about UFOs is falling. Concerning the UFOs, we are entering a phase completely different from the earlier ones. It is the end of commercialism and fakery. The true scientists are finally making their appearance."

AND THEN THIS

In a number of papers written during the last two years, Gonsalves has developed his theory of "The American made UFO" - that the boomerangs of Westchester and Duchess counties, as well as the triangular UFOs of Belgium, Virginia and Puerto Rico, are actually a modified covert version of the B-2 Stealth Bomber. Gonsalves believes this craft has been fully operational since the early 80s, while the official B-2 bomber that was unveiled in 1988 is a "decoy" to deceive the American public, the media and the Congress. Furthermore, Tony Gonsalves and a few other ufologists speculate that this secret aircraft may even incorporate some alien technology obtained from UFO crashes decades ago."

MarkC

[Mark Culpepper]

And everyone who has studied the UFO field at all knows that alot of crashes happened in 1947 and I just find it interesting that Dr. Brown, who had been living in California previously, moves his family to Hawaii and then absents himself from them for the next three years. That has not been entirely explained. Where did he go? What was he doing? And who was he working with? Notice that Paul does not address this in his book but skips right to the demonstration of " discs" to the military in 1950. HUH?

You know you hear all of these stories how " teams were brought in" to study these crashed saucers and I have always harbored the thought that perhaps one of these " teams" was Dr. Brown and A.L. Kitselman. And if they were still " Caroline men" then what might that mean?

Just so much out there but each little thing brought out gets us that much closer to a full understanding eventually! MarkC

[kevin.b]

Linda brown,
I found Dr Aspden, sent an email asking if he can find time to look in here, fingers crossed.

kevin

[Radomir]

Thanks Nate. Fine idea updating the TTB page on PESwiki. What do you suggest we add first, or how would you suggest we go about that?

Regarding the possibility of putting all our data there...I learned a lot from PESwiki in previous years. In fact it was one of the first things I found along this road, and it led to many new paths. All due respect to their work -- however with that said, for the whole kit & kaboodle my two cents is we should get our own wiki space that is under our collective management. Even "attached" to this site if that is technically possible. I've seen some inter-personal politics play out over at the other place that makes me shy of placing all our acorns in that basket.

But perhaps I should give them benefit of the doubt, what say ye all? (We could always just back up somewhere else just in case...)

Paul, your thoughts?

R.

[kevin.b]

Has everyone gone off the planet?
Here's a flick to watch,
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=44000
it's the celestine phrophecy.
Kevin

[AM]

Sorry, for being again so much over the place, but there is something I have been wanting to post for quite a few days already. The key word is "quonset hut" and since Ms. Brown recently mentioned it I immediately thought of an old post by Mr. Twigsnapper regarding Otis Carr.

Let me confront these two quotes:

Interesting that the video seems to show Ring sitting near a wall that is slanted? So is he in a trailer?Or perhaps a quonset hut?

Strange similarities also that Carr would choose to call his disc an "Amusement Ride" when the Navy men watching Dr. Browns demonstration at Pearl Harbor decided that Dr. Browns should be recorded as a " carnival ride"

Paul, Information left behind untended is like left behind toys. When you find the same red toy plane in different households you might know that the kid who lives there loves the idea of being in the air.

And then look at what Ms. Brown said:

And that entire conversation sprang to life in the past while the forum was talking about how compartmentalized the research was during World War ll, especially as it was portrayed in the movie "Enigma". They had several quonset huts and each team in each hut did not know what the other teams were working on, (and didn't want to know). Bee hives of activity but separated.

Both are very interesting hints and may point to the fact that Otis Carr represented one such team in a compartmentalized project.

AM

[Linda Brown]

You have struck an important chord here AM.

Of course things that are true and deep secrets have to be broken up and parceled out. The main project could never go forward with everyone knowing everything. The entire operation then becomes vunerable.

Say , You have a project with 100 engineers, for example. Super secret stuff. Those engineers are all working under one roof. They each share openly what is going on ... new developments, exciting thoughts! .... then suddenly one of those men gets into a family problem at home. Perhaps he has said way too much to his loving and( he thought) supportive wife ... for reasons unrelated to " the project" she develops a mental mindset to harm her husbands career ... and you see she now is vested with just the information to blow him out of the water. And in the wrong hands .... she also puts those other 99 engineers at risk. The entire project then is compromised. And its usefulness lost.

However if he was only working in a four man team ..Out of many four man teams.. the knowledge of the entire project is limited, and the damage contained.

I agree with you that Ring might have been part of a compartment. The "toys left behind" ... his speaking of an "amusement ride" speak to that I think. And if you are intuitive enough ( and you especially are) that you can sense that there are connections even though the huts are quite different and look like they are not connected.

I speak from experience here maybe because I was put into my own little hut too ( literally and figuratively). Remember the phrase " She NEEDS not to know". spells out ..... HUT. Linda

[natecull]

Hearing all these ideas about saucers, time machines, 'accessing higher dimensions' and other wondrous things, I keep getting Jim Kirk's line from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier in my head:

"What does God need with a starship?"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098382/quotes

Don't get me wrong - I definitely believe there is a tangible spiritual dimension that underlies what we think of as 'physics'. I've experienced spiritual phenomena myself. I have a friend who's held extensive conversations with a dead person and written a book from the transcripts (http://www.thegroundoffaith.net/stephen/). I do the Pentecostal praying-in-tongues thing and I've experienced precognitive dreams, at least on a short-range scale. I've read a bunch of channelled books and near-death-experience accounts. There is definitely a 'there' there, a wider universe which has its own very interesting ground rules where mind appears to generate matter rather than the other way round.

And I'm fascinated with the antigravity underground and 'aether physics', partly because it seems to resonate with some of the ideas expressed in this material. But. I still can't understand. What *does* God need with a starship?

In a spiritual universe, matter just doesn't seem that important; intention, love and forgiveness are more powerful. Precognitive visions and clairvoyant insights work just well without needing gravity-wave radios. Faith healing happens without any special tools or training at all. Why does this nuts-and-bolts antigravity machine stuff seem to cross over into the spiritual so much? What's with Otis Carr's 'thought control interface' to his very mechanical 1950s saucers?

The Wright Brothers didn't turn humans into ascended masters by building wings; we got WWI and the Red Baron instead. Are we confusing aeroplanes and angels somehow? I get a bit nervous that we're approaching a sort of 'cargo cult' mentality where we think possession of schematics for a warp drive == giant leap of spiritual evolution. I don't think it works like that, quite.

Or does it?

[Mikado14]

Hearing all these ideas about saucers, time machines, 'accessing higher dimensions' and other wondrous things, I keep getting Jim Kirk's line from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier in my head:

"What does God need with a starship?"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098382/quotes

Don't get me wrong - I definitely believe there is a tangible spiritual dimension that underlies what we think of as 'physics'. I've experienced spiritual phenomena myself. I have a friend who's held extensive conversations with a dead person and written a book from the transcripts (http://www.thegroundoffaith.net/stephen/). I do the Pentecostal praying-in-tongues thing and I've experienced precognitive dreams, at least on a short-range scale. I've read a bunch of channelled books and near-death-experience accounts. There is definitely a 'there' there, a wider universe which has its own very interesting ground rules where mind appears to generate matter rather than the other way round.

And I'm fascinated with the antigravity underground and 'aether physics', partly because it seems to resonate with some of the ideas expressed in this material. But. I still can't understand. What *does* God need with a starship?

In a spiritual universe, matter just doesn't seem that important; intention, love and forgiveness are more powerful. Precognitive visions and clairvoyant insights work just well without needing gravity-wave radios. Faith healing happens without any special tools or training at all. Why does this nuts-and-bolts antigravity machine stuff seem to cross over into the spiritual so much? What's with Otis Carr's 'thought control interface' to his very mechanical 1950s saucers?

The Wright Brothers didn't turn humans into ascended masters by building wings; we got WWI and the Red Baron instead. Are we confusing aeroplanes and angels somehow? I get a bit nervous that we're approaching a sort of 'cargo cult' mentality where we think possession of schematics for a warp drive == giant leap of spiritual evolution. I don't think it works like that, quite.

Or does it?

I also believe in the same question you state and in my limited senses or perceptions my response would be the same, he doesn't. But then as I said, I have limited perceptions.

However, I don't believe that "God" has been to the forums so I am not sure where you are headed. What I have seen is humans wishing to achieve the next step up the ladder to the higher dimensions.

But that is just my take but you do raise a question.

Mikado

[Radomir]

Nate:

Definitely hearing the chord you are striking.

I don't have a source for this story so just take it as apocryphal.

After long searching and many arduous journeys, a seeker finally reaches the realized master and wishes to ask vital questions.

The master says, ok, go ahead and ask, and I will answer you truthfully.

"Master, is it true that it is possible to learn to see far visions, and even to know the future?"

"Yes, very well, that is possible, but that sort of thing can get distracting. First you need to learn to meditate."

Growing excited, the seeker asks, "Master, I have also heard that it is possible for the spirit to leave the body and to travel about, even visit strange lands?"

"Yes, I must admit that too is possible, though really this also is just a distraction. So first you must learn to meditate."

The seeker is growing even more enchanted "Master, in the closest of whispers, I have also heard it said it is possible to levitate, and to even fly about the countryside in one's own body!"

"Well...yes, yes, that also is possible, and this especially is also just a distraction. So first you must learn to meditate."

"Master!" hisses the seeker "In the hour of no moon, I once overheard two monks saying that it is even possible to learn to read the thoughts of another person!"

The master's patient response: "When you have learned to read your own thoughts, then we might be getting somewhere...so first sit down and let me teach you how to meditate."

Gassho,

R.

[Griffin]

Natecull-

You quoted Jim Kirk from Star Trek V:
"What does God need with a starship?"

Indeed.

But it may be “gods” with a small “g” or angels with a small “a” instead – or something of that nature, at least in some cases.

Here are a few musings, based upon some of the considerable thought I’ve already given to this type of important question. The group of “space” Visitants I’m interested in can, IMO, be considered angelic in the root sense of that term. Even rephrasing – “What do angels need with starships?” – leaves us with a provocative question without an easy answer.

Yes, I also believe for various reasons that intentionality is the driving, motive force in higher dimensions. So, what need of a vehicle for a higher dimensional being? It may depend. From one perspective, there is the concept of a cloaking or assumption of appropriate form when descending into this denser dimension. Perhaps the “vehicle” is manifested for our benefit, or as much for our benefit as theirs. Since they have shown that they want us to give up highly dangerous nuclear devices, they have also demonstrated another option. But perhaps an elegant “vehicle” has usefulness – for whatever reason/s – in their dimension as well. Perhaps they only use the higher trans-form dimension/s for temporary transit. There is evidence, which I personally credit, that form still has its place even in higher dimensions. But it is form of a much more refined and rarified kind. In my experience, it’s only in what the Chinese call Wuji that form becomes unfixed and totally dynamic potential. Beyond yet encompassing that is Brahman, Dao, God, Source. Names vary and are ultimately inadequate anyway. I am dealing with all this in greater depth in my book, and I make no apology for that. It’s the way it has to be. It’s like what’s covered in Paul’s book and what he posts on the forum.

I am personally convinced that we are being visited by higher beings with flying craft. Do they need them? Obviously – for some reason. Perhaps, only because we need them.

Advanced technology obviously does not automatically equate to spirituality. But spiritualized technology, used with the right intent and purpose, can help promote conditions in which spirituality may thrive and further develop, IMO. I believe this is becoming manifest in the new era -- with new energies -- upon whose threshold we are now treading.

As ever,

Griffin

[natecull]

However, I don't believe that "God" has been to the forums so I am not sure where you are headed. What I have seen is humans wishing to achieve the next step up the ladder to the higher dimensions.

My point is that I don't believe that 'achieving the next step up the ladder to higher dimensions', if by 'higher' you mean something like 'more spiritually aware' rather than just 'abstractly distant in a mathematical sense', is something that can be done using material means. As humans, we're *already* spiritual beings. If those higher dimensions are inherently 'more spiritual', then I think we would be *less* likely, not more, to need external mechanical aid to access them.

Hence my question: why should 'God', the spiritual essence inside us, that which makes us human, need something so crude as a spaceship, even a very fast one, to accomplish a transition of *consciousness*?

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

transitions of conciousness.

Looking back in our history the things that most changed our conciousness of the world around us was some development that enabled us to cover more ground, faster ( or more particularly land, water, or later,air and then space) Its the only thing we know so far that changes our set mind patterns to the next level so completely.

Sailing just a few days was an enormous leap in distance than what could be covered by foot or even horse. Especially when you boarded a Phoenician ship and sailed perhaps from Alexandria to Rome. The world suddenly was more accesable and seemed full of more opportunities.

Now we are talking about making travel instantaneous ..... to far off places perhaps ... and even more stupendous maybe .... in another time. What sort of responsiblilities should we be willing to accept before plunging into that new world.?

My impression is that perhaps all of this could have been introduced at an earlier age but for some reason was with held until certain information started leaking out of the most secure situations.. I keep asking myself " why now?" but I suppose it doesn't take a genius to see the problems looming up in the future where this technology could be an enormous help.

Late, not making too much sense! Goodnight! Elizabeth

[natecull]

transitions of conciousness.

Looking back in our history the things that most changed our conciousness of the world around us was some development that enabled us to cover more ground, faster ( or more particularly land, water, or later,air and then space) Its the only thing we know so far that changes our set mind patterns to the next level so completely.

Sailing just a few days was an enormous leap in distance than what could be covered by foot or even horse. Especially when you boarded a Phoenician ship and sailed perhaps from Alexandria to Rome. The world suddenly was more accesable and seemed full of more opportunities.

Yes, I suppose that is true - jet travel and the Internet must have had a huge effect on our consciousness after all. Whether or not we're more spiritual because of globalisation, we're at least a lot more aware of how connected we all are to each other.

Hmm.

[Linda Brown]

Not even counting the impact of the Internet , just ask yourself Nate. Would you and I have even been able to have this conversation fifty years ago? Yes... but it would have been an isolated conversation . Huh ... funny ... that would have been 1958. An interesting year. Let your mind take this entire forums threads back that far. What would the reactions have been then to what Paul has been saying THEN. Try walking for just a few moments in that year and you will see the changes already in conciousness and vision. Sometimes we are further along than we think, and we just don't give each other enough credit for the positive ground that has been covered.

For me it all boils down to that old question .... Where WILL you go? When you ask that through a 1958 phone to another thats one thing. When you ask it on this forum thats another thing entirely.

The greatest thing is that developing awareness of that connectiveness !to be trying to answer now together. Understanding that it is indeed WE. Where will WE go? Hey the advertising world has already picked that theme up! Can the rest of us be far behind? <g>

Your Posts are very interesting and helpful Nate, thanks for joining. Linda