Epilogue: The Sound of Time

[AM]

Mr. Langley:

The irony is, most people who attempt to do just that are called paranoid, whereas it is the erstwhile "normals" * who have unrealistic fears regarding the UFO or TT Brown buff in their midst!.

*Heaven forbid I should be so afflicted.

Now you are addressing my favourite topic - the so-called normality. I share this advantage with you and others here i. e. not being afflicted by it.

Mr. (Kevin) B. as always a multilayered post and I will try to do justice to it with my comment.

upon that grid is something I now think of as stuff, I used to think plasma. but words are traps.

I agree with you - the nomenclature is a very tricky thing and one can easily get lost trying to figure out if the ether is really plasma or if the negative ions are indeed prana. Surely, this is an important field to cover and establish proper correlations is quite essential, but one must be on guard of falling into the trap where the trees become so prominent that one looses sight of the forrest. Therefore I share this sentiment.

I think Morgan did not use the word "stuff" just randomly. And like you said it is there on the grid.

Once the system is apparent to oneself, it is as though closed doorways creak open, the doors of perception is the best way of thinking of this occurance? I consider that probably the stuff contains all knowledge, but unless the doors are open, the knowledge just circulates and goes on its way.

Space-time is nothing, but different shades of ondulating, vibrating, moving stuff. Not in vain did T. H. Moray call it a sea.

The stuff has in my opinion memory and can serve as a conductor for knowledge and communication in the broadest possible sense. I think that everything what happens in creation, be it our thoughts, words and actions or the flight of a comet, leaves a trace in the stuff. The future also leaves traces, because everything is just an eternal now. Let us not think of time in terms of past, present or future, but in the terms of a landscape. If you are standing at a good point you can have a beautiful view over the whole are.

MEMORIES OF FUTURE. How about that? Memories of Green - do you know that song? It's from Bladerunner, one of the BEST MOVIES ever in my opinion.

All that happens is but a trace on the stuff - in the stuff.

Now regarding patterns. The traditional Chinese culture has a very peculiar ability to discern patterns. I PREFER TO CALL THEM PATTERNS AND RYTHMS OF REALITY.

The best example can be found in Yi Jing - The Book of Changes. I would like to enter deeper into it, but one needs a good teacher and also the classical Chinese is very archaic and abstruse. I had classical Chinese-classes for 3 years, but for the Yi it is not enough. Yi Jing is very deep.

AND IT ADDRESSES THE VERY ISSUE YOU RAISED i. e. WHAT I CALL THE PATTERNS AND RYTHMS OF REALITY.

Patterns and rythms. Follow the changing of these patterns and you are in tune with reality itself. When the harmony between you and the changing reality is perfect on all levels, then you become IMMORTAL.

If you want to have certain knowledge, you just concentrate with the heart, a light obsessive tension of interest and a sense of care (like you would care for an orphaned raccoon). Then you slowly chew the thought like a cow on a sunny afternoon. With care and attention. Finally the knowledge somehow comes to you. It finds you.

Look, it really may seem that since I have been on this forum I have been a Mexican jumping bean. And all this influx has caused an enthusiastic exuberance which causes me to make leaps. In the process of doing this I make many mistakes. And even oversee many things.

But before this happened I had to chew and chew and chew. Now I have to just remind myself of this chewing and bring it in harmony with the leaps and bounds.

Sanskrit I consider grew out of this system, matching its geometry and dual flow charectors, a visual expression of something invisable to many?

Sanskrit and Chinese. You know why I like them? Because they represent total extremes.

Sanskrit is a highly inflected language with an extremely complex grammar. This complexity though is fairly regular - like the crystal structure.

The Sanskrit alphabet and the phonetic image of it are very regular and concise. Each voice is represented by a letter. There is almost a complete harmony between the acoustic and visual representation of language. You write as you speak.

Further it is believed in Sanskrit that the consonants are just corpses which are brought to life by vowels. Therefore each consonant in Sanskrit is considered to have an inherent a attached to it. Otherwise it would be completely dead. A AS THE PRIMARY VOWEL - THE PRIMEVAL SOUND.

Sanskrit also has one of the oldest grammatical traditions. The foremost Sanskrit-grammar Panini Ashtadhyayi was codified in the 4th century B. C. according to Western datations.

Chinese on the other hand - especially classical Chinese - is the complete opposite. No inflections, no gender for words, etc. No grammatical tradition as we know it in the West or India until the 1890's. They regulate everything just through WORD ORDER and so-called FUNCTION WORDS (xu ci). Function words are called xu ci - "empty words", because they just have a grammatical function. Secondary or originally they may have had a meaning or still do, but primarily they are grammatical.

Also the writting is completely different, because Chinese characters do not represent the acoustic side of the language, but just hint at it. They foremost represent ideas and concepts more than they do the sounds.

I LOVE THESE EXTREMES. I like to move between extremes.

You, I recognise.

Thank you. I also find a resonance in you and other members of this board.

AM

[kevin.b]

AM,
Check the timing on two threads, we hit the submit button at the same time.
Resonance is a word I like, it is one of the reasons or uses that I believe the megaliths were used for, communications.
by hitting a stone placed in line with the matrix(lattice) I consider the sound would have been heard in another stone positioned along that line, sort of early morse code.
Matrix is not a wrong word to use, but the film has placed a block into position.
I consider we are merely a consequence of a 3d matrix upon the surface of this planet , relevant to the field and consequent gravity and light formulations upon the surface.
I see no reason not to consider other realities existing in the same area we occupy.
Therefore aliens as such may simply be from here , but not in the reality we are in.
Our extreme actions, such as nuclear may impact upon them, then they may have to alter their condition to communicate with us lower 3d beings?
Though its much more likely that each connecting universe is higher or lower harmonic frequency related, change that and change the whole state?
Kevin

[FM No Static At All]

I have only finished about half of this video, but I thought this group would like it too. It's a video interview with Ralph Ring, and he is speaking of flying disks he worked on with a Tesla protege named Otis T.l Carr

http://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

Did the craft fly? "Fly is not the right word. It traversed distance. It seemed to take no time. I was with two other engineers when we piloted the 45' craft about ten miles. I thought it hadn't moved – I thought it had failed. I was completely astonished when we realized that we had returned with samples of rocks and plants from our destination. It was a dramatic success. It was more like a kind of teleportation.

"What's more, time was distorted somehow. We felt we were in the craft about fifteen or twenty minutes. We were told afterwards that we'd been carefully timed as having been in the craft no longer than three or four minutes. I still have no complete idea how it worked. We just built it exactly according to Carr's instructions. Everything had to be perfect... it all had to be just so, or it he said it would not work: a kind of symbiotic state between man and machine.

"The Utron was the key to it all. Carr said it accumulated energy because of its shape, and focused it, and also responded to our conscious intentions. When we operated the machine, we didn't work any controls. We went into a kind of meditative state and all three of us focused our intentions on the effect we wanted to achieve. It sounds ridiculous, I know. But that's what we did, and that's what worked. Carr had tapped into some principle which is not understood, in which consciousness melds with engineering to create an effect. You can't write that into equations. I have no idea how he knew it would work. But it did.

Yes it did occur to me...it's a FTM!

Ciao for now!

Fred

[natecull]

http://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

Thanks for this link! I know I've come across Carr before but this was more information than I've seen so far. And that very strange, cryptic book of his. I can't make head nor tail of it, but it seems to have strong resonances with Stan Deyo and Walter Russell, as well as John Searl.

This whole situation has the feel of a modern form of alchemy. The same sense of secret societies, odd quasi-mystical, quasi-technological sciences, coded communications. Except with magnets instead of crucibles and gravity control rather than gold as the Grail.

And yet it doesn't feel nearly as weird to me as it ought to... is that a bad sign?

[Langley]

http://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

And yet it doesn't feel nearly as weird to me as it ought to... is that a bad sign?

Oh your'e sunk son.


"I am currently on medication for paranoia but the thoughts are not diminishing. I still believe my husband is having an affair"**

http://www.depression-guide.com/paranoia.htm


** The tragic consequences of not taking enough tablets.

(Joke)

[natecull]

Maybe reading too many of AM's posts has flipped my own waffle-pan, but:

The weird feeling I get from reading a lot of this material is a sense that the people concealing/revealing this knowledge (if they do in fact have any actual knowledge) perhaps are doing so in such a roundabout, cryptic way because they do want 'apprentices', reinventors of the technology, they don't want it to be lost -- but they don't trust 'the masses' (including, especially, the current world leaders), and deliberately want these 'apprentices' to intuit it directly for themselves via a kind of psychic or spiritual sense of insight, rather than copy the technology using standard intellectual means.

The idea behind this, perhaps, being to act as a sort of self-selecting filter on the type of people who get their hands on the tech. Perhaps because the current 'caretakers' see it as being extremely powerful but dangerous, and have sworn some kind of vendetta against the current mainstream (post-WW2, at least) military-industrial science system. Thinking that part of the problem with atomic energy is that 'the wrong kind of people' got hold of it, people who thought with their mind rather than their heart and spirit (like a lot of intellectuals who inspired the '60s rebellion against conformity believed), perhaps this group believe in some kind of 'Akashic records' or 'Cosmic illumination', where the answers to all questions including extremely practical ones really do lie 'in the soul', and figure that if they put out little tiny cryptic clues, the people who are 'meant' to find out will manage to follow up these leads but ultimately listen to their own hearts to put it together. And in the process, hopefully, screen out those who are 'spiritually immature' from getting their hands on what could be a very dangerous weapon.

So this whole weird conceal/reveal game would be a sort of test to determine who instinctively 'gets it': if you're -- not 'smart', but 'tuned in' -- enough, to build your own saucer from your own vision, then I guess the Universe thinks you're worthy of knowing how to (melt metals with a touch, travel in time, etc). If not, sorry, we'll wait, keep trying.

If nothing else, such an approach, being diametrically opposite to how the standard mainstream science community thinks and functions, could serve as sort of a 'Hermetic wall', a code-barrier strange enough to act as a firewall even if standard codes got breached. And if the intelligence community is such a small world as it seems where everyone knows each other and steals practices and techniques, then I can see how having 'your own gimmick' could be a lot more useful than trusting that Triple-DES hasn't yet been hacked by the NSA.

It's a weird idea, but it makes a kind of sense to me because it seems to be a very old alchemical way of thinking. (The 'harsh apprenticeship' as a way of passing on personal inner knowledge that literally can't be conveyed in words.)

It's also possible, thinking further along these lines, that even the people who did build devices using this technology didn't *themselves* understand, fully with their conscious minds, how to do it, and so *can't* just 'tell people how it's done'. If their muse has gone walkabout, they're as grounded as the rest of us. This is the only way I can figure how someone like Carr or Searl might be able to build literal flying saucers in the 50s-60s, and then spend the rest of their life trying to repeat it. (Or, how Einstein could have a brilliant breakthrough with relativity, then beat his head against the Unified Field for forty years getting nowhere.)

An idea, anyway. I'm not entirely convinced that this sort of 'cryptic disclosure' technique necessarily *works*, or is a healthy thing, but I think I can see how a certain sort of person with a certain sort of mindset might think it does, and take that approach. And I think I see that mindset quite strongly in the works of Carr and Deyo, and if as is alleged, the 'US Government' took possession of Carr's work in the 50s, perhaps the people who took his documents also after studying them started to share his philosophical ideas.

[Langley]

Maybe reading too many of AM's posts has flipped my own waffle-pan, but:

Thinking that part of the problem with atomic energy is that 'the wrong kind of people' got hold of it

Teller, Libby and their foreign counterparts.


I have worked with academics for yonks (in a voluntary capacity) and I can say that most I have had contact with take a serious ownership of their research and guard their loot jealously. So that when they publish, its their work, and the people they have gathered it from are their resource.

Bout time that trend was reversed. (I hasten to add my big day out tomorrow consists of a meeting with an academic with whom I shall share the book Geoff sent me but he's a different type of guy)

And people do have the right to their inventions and knowledge and seek reward from it. But on the other hand as the basis for the technology is denied, it cant get to market in a legitimate manner. And Mikado has shared some things (that sound very threatening) that have happened to him. On that basis alone, hey something's up.

I think sections of governments are split on this. After WW2 Paperclip had a downside. For some (not all) of the experts imported from Nazi Germany were Nazis. And without the logic of National Socialism, many events would not have occurred. For the AEC to send letters to mothers of dying children saying they should be proud of their sacrifice as atomic bomb testing was keeping America safe is right out of the mouth of Goebbels.

The military pre WW2 would devote the most to protect the defenceless, not use them as the fodder for comparative casualty studies between the West and East.

And so it goes for this Black program stuff.

Now with the atomic weapons, there were people within the military who fought tooth and nail to stop it.* And you have the tension between the Navy and Groves in that specific regard. A traditional military person is repulsed by the idea of mass destruction.

Im sure there are people in the system like that now, who believe the peace uses of the technology should be used to attenuate the crises now facing us. Just as there are those who would resist the openness of that position. Waiting for the most strategically advantageous time to impose it on the populations instead of allowing its use by individuals as we might see fit.

There is something, er, unique, about Stan Deyo, I dont complain about that. How can I? But he does impose a sort of Coulomb barrier. The reader has to have a certain attraction to his work to even approach it.

I took his book (the Cosmic Conspiracy) to work once. I was working in the Appeals section of the old Social Security Department, and weirdly it shared its space with the State Headquarters of the Department's Investigation Team. Those who used to go around checking under single mum's pillows for signs of male pj's. It was an interesting place. I couldnt work out whether the Appeals section (who the single mums would appeal to) or the Investigations team (who sent the single mum's there when their payments were cut off) were paranoid, persecuted or both.

Anyway, I showed the head Investigator Stan Deyo's illustration of a UFO.
(I think from memory I was attempting to induce some sort of damage on him.)

And he looked at it and studied it, squinted, spotted the gimbal bearing, and nearly wet himself with laughter. He bellowed "GIMBALL BEARING, youre telling me the most advanced creatures in the universe would design something with a GIMBAL BEARING, youre paranoid Paul, were do you think theyd get a gimbal bearing - Cheap Auto Parts. Ha Ha Ha."

Needless to say this convinced me that I was persecuted and HE was paranoid.

Social administration is the endless belt of Government, and government functions on internal divisions.

At least Stan didnt fit the craft with a Borg Warner 35. Such a craft would not reach earth, though in such a case I would have been spared the Chief Investigator. He was not of this earth.

* The movie Blue Sky is a fictionalised account, created by cobbling together dramatised events based on real ones. Its a good movie to watch to see individuals fight the system on its secret misuse of technology, and what happens to them.)

(As an aside during a discussion about the introduction of new technology at Social Security in the 1980s I raised the point that some people would object to having bar codes put on their fortnightly dole forms, and a boss said to me that the government would wait until such people died out)
(this might be a bit of rant but these things did happen).

Institution are perpetual legal entities. Individuals are not. People are passing the flame.

[FM No Static At All]

Or, how Einstein could have a brilliant breakthrough with relativity, then beat his head against the Unified Field for forty years getting nowhere.)

Unified Field Theory of Gravitation and Electricity
Albert Einstein
translation by A. Unzicker and T. Case
Session Report of the Prussian Academy of Sciences, pp. 414-419
July 25th, 1925

I have a copy in PDF format. The are a few others also, so as Dr. Farrell asks, "Which one?" You can find some online like I found this one.


Fred

[AM]

Fred a.k.a. Mr. No Static, thank you very much for drawing our attention to the work of Otis Carr and Project Camelot. Let me for the sake of argument re-quote parts of your post and correlate them with Marcel Vogel's work on crystals:

Did the craft fly? "Fly is not the right word. It traversed distance. It seemed to take no time. I was with two other engineers when we piloted the 45' craft about ten miles. I thought it hadn't moved – I thought it had failed.

...

"What's more, time was distorted somehow. We felt we were in the craft about fifteen or twenty minutes. We were told afterwards that we'd been carefully timed as having been in the craft no longer than three or four minutes.

...

"The Utron was the key to it all. Carr said it accumulated energy because of its shape, and focused it, and also responded to our conscious intentions. When we operated the machine, we didn't work any controls. We went into a kind of meditative state and all three of us focused our intentions on the effect we wanted to achieve.

And then we have Vogel's experiment with intention, pulsed breath and electricity:

IBM researcher Marcel Vogel was a pioneer in many areas, including subtle energy research. Vogel was able to cause electricity to be produced from a coil wrapped around a specially manufactured quartz crystal, using pulsed breath combined with intention. Such phenomena were repeatedly witnessed and instrumented.

On the paradigmatic level the above two things FIT PERFECTLY TOGETHER.

You know, Mr. No Static when I read about how the craft designed by Carr travelled I immediately had to recall what Mr. (Kevin) B. said. Namely that it is not the Earth or heavenly bodies that rotate and travel through the universe, but it is actually the space that moves and the hevenly bodies are the moved ones or better to say just pivots that bias the flow of aether into certain patterns. Your quote exactly tallies with what Mr. B. said - THEY DID NOT MOVE, THEY INDUCED THE SPACE-TIME TO MOVE IN A CERTAIN PATTERN AROUND THEM. THEY BIASED THE FLOW OF AETHER INTO A SPECIFIC GEOMETRY.

Mr. Cull, as I can see your waffle-pan is running full speed, so to say. A very interesting hypothesis with which I can only agree.

As an aside during a discussion about the introduction of new technology at Social Security in the 1980s I raised the point that some people would object to having bar codes put on their fortnightly dole forms, and a boss said to me that the government would wait until such people died out.

Well, this is a rather frightening kind of thinking! What causes even greater concern is the fact that people in positions of major or minor power consider such thinking perfectly OK.

You're not paranoid - and the above is the best proof for it.

You know, to put it very bluntly and the analogy may be quite distasteful, but still: When does the so-called paranoia cease to be paranoia and becomes reality? When it is too late and one already gazes in the flaming ovens of Auschwitz?

I prefer YOUR so-called PARANOIA over the FUZZY, WARM "reality" of "normal" people any time.

AM

[Paul S.]

The weird feeling I get from reading a lot of this material is a sense that the people concealing/revealing this knowledge (if they do in fact have any actual knowledge) perhaps are doing so in such a roundabout, cryptic way because they do want 'apprentices', reinventors of the technology, they don't want it to be lost -- but they don't trust 'the masses' (including, especially, the current world leaders), and deliberately want these 'apprentices' to intuit it directly for themselves via a kind of psychic or spiritual sense of insight, rather than copy the technology using standard intellectual means.

I think nate has a pretty good handle on just how this dance unfolds.

Sorta reminds me of what somebody once said about Ginger Rogers: "She had to do everything Fred Astaire did, only she had to do it backwards, and in high heels."

That's us, "backwards and in high heels."

--PS

[Linda Brown]

We may have to dance backwards and in heels Paul but we hear the music and WE DANCE! And everybit as well, no ... even better sir than Fred Astair.

( Flow ..... I miss you! what has happened? ..... note ...... WE DANCE! Look at these posts! We DANCE!))

Nate... thank you for the insights that you just shared.
And I thank everyone else for seeing what so desperately is calling out to be seen. You are all such rare and wonderful gems. Linda

[Linda Brown]

Everyone reading this. If my name means anything to you at all it is because it has been connected to the story of my father and Morgan and what they tried so hard to accomplish. If I have any power at all to call attention to anything then PLEASE pay strong attention to the things that have been said on this particular thread ...... the sound of time ..... because that is what we are dealing with here.

Nate ..... I can not even begin to express my appreciation for your post...and all of you thoughts including this ......

If nothing else, such an approach, being diametrically opposite to how the standard mainstream science community thinks and functions, could serve as sort of a 'Hermetic wall', a code-barrier strange enough to act as a firewall even if standard codes got breached. And if the intelligence community is such a small world as it seems where everyone knows each other and steals practices and techniques, then I can see how having 'your own gimmick' could be a lot more useful than trusting that Triple-DES hasn't yet been hacked by the NSA.

It's a weird idea, but it makes a kind of sense to me because it seems to be a very old alchemical way of thinking. (The 'harsh apprenticeship' as a way of passing on personal inner knowledge that literally can't be conveyed in words.) "

Only ONE of the magnificent concepts that came to the surface. Thank you ...... all of you ................ Linda

[FM No Static At All]

Sorta reminds me of what somebody once said about Ginger Rogers: "She had to do everything Fred Astaire did, only she had to do it backwards, and in high heels."

And that is reverse engineering!

Fred

[AM]

I don't know if this question was ever asked, but I wondered about the following.

I can understand that when all these technologies finally bubble up in their entirety it might be a truly liberating moment for humanity.

For example: if TESTED and PROVED technology for converting "radiant energy" into electricity will be available in it's ENTIRERY to everyone, then each of us with enough technical expertise or having such a friend will be able to build it and power his house with such a device.

This makes sense. What I cannot quite understand yet is the following: if everyone knows how to build a time-machine and in fact builds it, to what use will this be?

What happens if you have for instance 30 million people travelling through time and many of them simply being tourists?

"Poppy, we truly had a jolly good time seeing the invasion of Normans with our own eyes, didn't we, hm?"

"Oh, yes, Charles it was marvelous beyond words!"

Why did I say tourists? Well, because according to Dr. Brown there exist certain laws that prevent people tampering with events in the past (and also perhaps the future?).

BY THE WAY, HOW DID DR. BROWN DISCOVER THESE TIME LAWS? DID SOMEBODY TELL HIM OR DID HE INTUITED IT THROUGH HIS "SPECIAL" ABILITIES?

How many of these time-laws are there? How do they apply to future and past respectively? What happens if you break them? Is there a time-police or does Nature herself take care of those who disobey the laws of time?

The only logic I see for the FTM-details to be disclosed is this:

HYPTOTHESIS:

The coming urgency is actually an explosion of radiation which will come about through the alignment of our solar system with the galactic centre, which is nothing, but a black hole. It also has to do with the fact that the current 24th solar cycle we have just entered (end of 2007 or beginning of 2008) will reach it's peak in 2012, where huge amounts of radiation will be released from the Sun in the direction of the Earth.

This radiation will affect both biological as well as technical systems.

SOLUTION:

In order to avoid this catastrophy a technology based on the FTM will be used for BIASING THE FLOWING SPACE AROUND EARTH INTO A SPECIFIC GEOMETRY WHICH WILL HELP THE EARTH AVOID THESE HUGE DOSES OF RADIATION.

But this is just speculation on my part

AM

[AM]

"...there are two secrets to making the alien saucers work. One is their advanced engineering, and the other is their mental ability."

AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY DR. BROWN AND THE CAROLINE GROUP WERE INTERESTED IN REMOTE VIEWING AND ESP IN GENERAL. THEY PROBABLY ALSO DEVELOPED NEW OR USED ANCIENT TECHNIQUES OF MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL SELF-CONTROL THROUGH WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE MASTERY OVER THEIR MINDS!!!

AND AT THIS POINT BEAU KITSELMAN'S WORK WITH HUNA AND E-THERAPY COMES IN. Probably also Sanskrit-translations.

He helped them develop it or at least improve it! And Dr. Brown was naturally on board, because of the abilities he had from birth.
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TO THE DESCENDANTS OF MR. KITSELMAN AND ANYONE WHO MIGHT KNOW:

Is it possible to disclose the EXACT TITLES of the Sanskrit-texts that MR. KITSELMAN translated? Further, can you elaborate if he concentrated on certain specific passages in the text or did he just translate them IN TOTO?

Did Mr. Kitselman show any of his Sanskrit-translations to Dr. Brown? If so, which exactly?

I think that I can speak for all the members of this forum, when I say that we all would be most grateful for this information. Most grateful.
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PSYCHIC HORSES FROM MOROCCO, MR. TWIGSNAPPER. AND SENSITIVE PERSONS.

Can you imagine if you are not perfectly concentrated when travelling through space-time and you suddenly enter a day dream about Yorkshire Pudding?

By the way, the only man who was able to eat Yorkshire Pudding, smoke a cigar and drink whiskey AT THE SAME TIME was supposedly Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill.

AM