US space policy

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US space policy

Post by amalie »

Greetings to Linda Brown and to the distinguished forum,

Raymond has kindly invited me join you here at the parallel universe.

I would appreciate your comments on US space policy ,
perhaps I should say on US space policy "making" ,
not much US initiative has been seen so far, hence topic still needs formulating or exposing.

My approach is the holistic one, space usage for both global security and for global development
within an integrated informational, computationally enabled and internationalized format.
Of course this implies that Orwell's Big Brother might finally arrive,
to avoid that danger will take much discussion and a very considered and informed approach.

Thank you for your consideration and response
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Re: US space policy

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Sorry, I not sure how to put a new item on the board yet,
So I am replying to myself here,

I would like to share this with the parallel universe .

http://tinyurl.com/5d9fw4

My question is .
Was the destruction perhaps deliberate ?

ATK are a particularly revolting bunch.

http://www.atk.com/

NASA has no interest in launching this sort of garbage , perhaps they are on our side

Love Amalie
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Re: US space policy

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Another news item here.

http://tinyurl.com/5atk68

I know this gadget will not work either, can anyone tell me why ,
I do not know much about science .

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Re: US space policy

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Amalie,

Let me be the first one here to welcome you to this group!
Since you already know some of the forum members, we hope you will feel at home.

ATK has a facility up in Elkton, MD. I almost went to work there. I found out about the "real" ATK and I heard it was like Thiokol all over again...

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Re: US space policy

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Dear ht magic ....thank you so much for the warm welcome ... thinking some more about the death ray now

I will post the news link again in case anyone is picking up our thread at this point, I hope the url works for you because sometimes they change shape. I copied this one from my cashed furl page so it should be standardized.

http://tinyurl.com/5atk68

I do not think that this is the weapon that is actually planned, rods in space are not popular and the administration knows they will not pass through Congress.I feel the proposal is actually a cover for a large laser weapon within the
DOD Black Box budgets, an effort to get the last set of appropriations in place, before a possible reshuffle.

A space based laser strike weapon although still in r&d phases can quickly incinerate installations, cities etc with great accuracy. It could also perhaps be used against asteroid/earth impacts or for mining the lunar settlement or to prevent alien invasions.

The large space based lasers will carry laser communications as well , dual use for one vehicle is possible so that such a space based military facility could also enhance the global and moon based communications networks. In fact I suspect that one single laser will do a wide range of tasks depending on the frequency used.

I wouldn't really mind if laser enabled space defenses/communications were developed within genuine and very internationalized platforms in which case it is highly unlikely they would ever be used and only within an equitable international consensus in any case.

Used against what ... slave societies... nuclear or biological terrorism ... to eliminate pockets of disease or parasitic infestation (laser burns everything away...very cleanly) or even perhaps in conjunction with space located earth observation structures to warm the ocean or atmosphere. Thereby changing air and water convections currents for better rainfall and growth patterns.

The communications side would come in very useful,and could carry encrypted and advanced global communications networks for the global security and crisis deployment structures. But I guess several space based installations would be needed, because the laser carrier would need to bounce across the upper atmosphere without formal delays .

The amount of information a laser can carry is truly astounding.

As with most advanced technologies applications can be designed and utilized in various way.
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Re: US space policy

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Welcome Amalie-

Any friend of don Raymond's...

Your space policy topic is a good one to consider. I think the U.S. space policy is part of what is keeping technology, such as that pioneered by Townsend Brown, in the "black" so to speak. Not only are there military espionage considerations regarding advanced propulison systems, but also major industrial espionage considerations where billions and more are possibly at stake. Technology developed under classified programs at taxpayer expense may be given out to space contractors. I hope that earth-based spin-offs will happen too, and soon.

We've dealt with many anomalies here, but we've never had an Amalie as far as I know. It will indeed be a pleasure to share your interests and insights.

Again, welcome to this space.

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Re: US space policy - Death Rays by Tesla?

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amalie wrote:Dear ht magic ....thank you so much for the warm welcome ... thinking some more about the death ray now

I will post the news link again in case anyone is picking up our thread at this point, I hope the url works for you because sometimes they change shape. I copied this one from my cashed furl page so it should be standardized.

http://tinyurl.com/5atk68
Amalie,

Now what are you thinking about death rays? Nikola Tesla was reported to have a "death ray" which may have been a particle beam type weapon. Now a particle beam weapon is not a laser but more like a plasma channel or lightning is a good analogy. One huge long spark...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam_weapon#Tesla
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airc ... berds.html

Tesla called it a teleforce device.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleforce wrote:The device was based upon a large Van de Graaff generator of unique design and a special type of open-ended vacuum tube. It comprised a system for the acceleration of minute tungsten or mercury particles to a velocity of about 48 times the speed of sound. The projectiles were propelled out of the tube by electrostatic repulsion.

...

* “The beam of force itself, as Dr. Tesla described it, is a concentrated current—it need be no thicker than a pencil—of microscopic particles moving at several hundred times the speed of artillery projectiles. The machine into which Dr. Tesla combines his four devices is, in reality, a sort of an electrical gun.

“As Dr. Tesla explained it, the tremendous speed of the particles will give them their destruction-dealing qualities. All but the thickest armored surfaces confronting them would be melted through in an instant by the heat generated in the concussion.
In essence, a phaser beam like that on StarTrek. So this would be far more powerful than any laser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam wrote:High energy beams are created in particle accelerators, in which a charged particle is drawn forward by an electrostatic (not magnetic) field with a charge opposite to the particle (like charges repel one another, opposites attract); as the particle passes the source of each field, the charge of the field is reversed so that the particle is now pushed on to another field source. Through a series of fields in sequence, the particle accelerates until it is moving at a high speed.
...
Though particle beams are perhaps most famously employed as weapon systems in science fiction, the U.S. Advanced Research Projects Agency started work on particle beam weapons as early as 1958, two years before the first scientific demonstration of lasers. The general idea of particle-beam weaponry is to hit a target object with a stream of accelerated particles moving at near the speed of light and therefore carrying tremendous kinetic energy; the particles transfer their kinetic energy to the atoms in the molecules of the target upon striking, much as a cue ball transfers its energy to the racked balls in billiards, thus exciting the target's atoms and superheating the target object in a short time, leading to explosion either of the surface layer or the interior of the target. Currently, the materials for such weapons are "high-risk" and may not be developed for some time.
Now 1958 is the start of the missing years for Dr. Brown's career where it totally goes black. And we may have just shed some light on what Dr. Brown was up to with plasma research. And talk of linear particle accelerators (LINAC), cyclotrons, was already held elsewhere in this forum. The movement of ionic particles or beams of high-energy particles. And although you need high voltage, apparently you do not need the current as Tesla was going to use:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleforce wrote:A method and process for producing very great electrical force in the range of 60,000,000 volts to propel the particles to their objective. Tesla specified that this could be done with a large electrostatic generator on a new principle and of very great power, in many respects similar to a Van de Graaff generator. In place of a charge-carrying belt it employs a circulating stream of desiccated air that is propelled through a hermetically sealed ductwork by a Tesla disc blower. A Wardenclyffe type apparatus could also be used for this purpose.
Now with Dr. Brown's electrokinetic generator (flame jet generator) capable of producing somewhere near 15 million volts, one could have a lower power version of a death ray particle beam type weapon. Or maybe Dr. Brown's special tunnel diode could amplify the voltage and provide a higher power version of a death ray.

No wonder that article you linked stated that they didn't wish to develop this technology soon...

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Re: US space policy

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Boy, that tunnel diode sure gets around.
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Re: US space policy

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Mikado14 wrote:Boy, that tunnel diode sure gets around.
Depends upon what it is attached to I guess! :lol:

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Re: US space policy

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Magic Bill,

Thank you for the lovely invitation to Tesla's pioneering work, which I will study carefully, the research in this area has and always will be tremendously important.

Griffin ,

Here is something a friend sent me recently that expands upon the US economic theme.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa ... d=11965352

I do not think that the earth based spin offs will happen much any time soon or even at all unless they are addressed at the macro or global level. The current space development dynamic is just to skewed towards the top-heavy military program. Approx 80% of satellites are US military satellites. The dying planet needs informational assets for survival, but probably the only way to now ensure the balance of interests is through international legislation. Oddly enough as the economist article demonstrates, the militarized and secretive agenda is actually suffocating itself as well as everything else, which goes to show that not only is it unproductive but also very stupid. It is just a matter of time though before other and not so benign military interests take up the slack that has been offered by a recalcitrant ITAR. The stranglehold on space development posed by the inadequate policy perspectives indicates US economic failures and sadly enough less availability for the more creative space based strategic causes, which are the far more important ones. Such as innovative space assets for optimal communications flows, for earth observation instrumentations, the establishment of economic and engineering collations, the dissemination of multiple expertise and for what I feel to be the most significant, data collations for internationally protected civil society input/output or e-government. Super computer potentials show us that that the creation of meta-maps for economic, environmental and sociological applications are viable. Already WHO is seeking such maps for epidemic control. These computationally enabled real time facilities can not only show how, why and where situations occur but they can greatly assist planning for essentials such as agriculture, water supplies, energy configurations and educational and inter- cultural communications expansions. The information age can readily posit all our personal and environmental identities as the formal elements within vast databases collations, but who will give oversight and assurance that these dramatic oversight vehicles will be properly protected, equitable and justifiable ones? The correct utilization of the profound information age capacity demands that nationalized, segregated and militarized space agendas move towards internationally supplemented and internationally undertaken implementation values. World government might be a misnomer here, because co-operative international space resources do not necessarily imply assimilated or detracted cultural identities. An internationally legislated and global data base platform can be a valuable global asset but it does not need to be a totalitarian one. If the singular informational resources are not to continue to spiral into the black hole of an acquisitive and destructive commercialism, we must ensure that space development is now seen as a being the key factor for global development. The realignment of current space policy objectives will require a consolidated and an internationalized approach, based on protection of the fundamental civil society information attributes, such as the right to personal privacy, universal entitlement and the right to representation. I do not think there is any other way out of the cosmically inclined silicon behemoth now. One good thing about the military space essentials is that they are fundamentally useless in themselves, you can't fight war in space as there is no one up there to kill. On the other hand you can use space to make life difficult for those on the ground, by blowing up the cell phone connections for instance. Let the military extrude themselves into space or even deep space, further away the better as far as I am concerned. Trouble is they are taking all the money and all the scientists away with them and leaving us with nothing. This is not necessary , global security can be certainly approached within the global development paradigm, but the openings for a far more intelligent and perceptive space policy vehicle will have to obtained first.

I do actually feel a bit like an anomaly. Especially as I got a very weird phone call when sitting down to write to you, garbled static only. Perhaps that is SETI trying to connect with me, but it sounded more like something out of ghost busters I must say. Oh I just got the joke. A pun, very amusing! I am so glad that you are dealing with the differentials here, I will need a lot of support and participation to take the policy issues to the next level.

Mikado,

Presumably a tunnel diode is something to do with quantum flows; personally I am not a big fan of the blip because I do believe that we actually know exactly what to do. As always the solution is found within the problem. Not really much of a mystique is needed now but just an everyday common sense. The quantum state posits the illusionary nature of phenomena, as have many other philosophies. Because the quantum state is scientifically verifiable, it is one way for the western world to understand the indeterminate basis of "reality" and that achievement has proper applications as well, ones that are usable within material dimensions, with material tools which is something practical that the earlier philosophers did not always achieve.

As we are now all posited as quantum phenomena within a quantum universe the situation has become both an open and a closed loop or tunnel diode if you like.

Closed because the quantum, which is us, is now inside the box, which is the silicon chip, in the form of the electronic linguistic impulses. Open because all we have to do is use those particular electronic impulses to open the box back up and return to the real world. Mystification will not help us do that anymore that but international space policy legislation will.

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Re: US space policy

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Well I must tell you that I feel as though I am living inside a black hole or a quantum anomoly . Not only does the forum thread on space policy tell me there are no new mails when I just posted , but it gives the wrong time for the post 1.19am when I actually posted at 2.19am Pacific time . This sort of thing has been happening a lot lately , I even managed to get a list of 42 questions to wrap itself up and represent as 42 after I had included an additional question which would have made 43 right ... I can still add simple numbers.

Best wishes from the time/space warp ... which might have something to do with the local mystery spot ...
next door our house, now you all know exactly where I am. Lots of trees around here, wild animals and the ocean as well.
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Re: US space policy

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Amalie,

Trying to catch up with all of you here and I can already tell that this is going to be a challenging thread! WELCOME AMALIE.WELCOME, WELCOME

A few questions.

You stated here when talking about a relatively recent failed launch

"NASA has no interest in launching this sort of garbage , perhaps they are on our side" .

You were referring to the latest destruction of an errant missile belonging to a private company. I am curious about your stand here though. Having never known about that company just a quick look tells me that their Chief Officer is a fellow that at one time was the Commander of the Sixth Fleet, Vice Admiral Daniel Murphy. Why would what they attempt to launch be considered "garbage"? I am asking this with a smile on my face, understand. I just would like to hear more of how you came to this conclusion so that I can better understand your position on things like this. Seems that they are an impressive company, with more Vice Presidents than some companies have stockholders ..... and I note that many of them are .... Navy, Navy, Navy, Navy.

So if they are on one side ..... which would be the side that you have mentioned as "Our"? Linda
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Re: US space policy

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Amalie....Please relax a bit....Remember that you are in the rabitt hole here in this forum...Strangeness is a very familiar feeling here. Yes it's just like the mystery spot next to your home in Santa Cruz. There are bound to be a lot more people making comments on your posts. I am happy you have joined our forum. Now let's proceed with the subject matter. Linda has brought up a good question, and I would like to hear your response.

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amalie wrote: Mikado,

Presumably a tunnel diode is something to do with quantum flows; personally I am not a big fan of the blip because I do believe that we actually know exactly what to do. As always the solution is found within the problem. Not really much of a mystique is needed now but just an everyday common sense. The quantum state posits the illusionary nature of phenomena, as have many other philosophies. Because the quantum state is scientifically verifiable, it is one way for the western world to understand the indeterminate basis of "reality" and that achievement has proper applications as well, ones that are usable within material dimensions, with material tools which is something practical that the earlier philosophers did not always achieve.

As we are now all posited as quantum phenomena within a quantum universe the situation has become both an open and a closed loop or tunnel diode if you like.


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Okaaaay. I have not seen anyone wax so eloquently on the philosopical nature of the tunnel diode.

amalie wrote:Closed because the quantum, which is us, is now inside the box, which is the silicon chip, in the form of the electronic linguistic impulses. Open because all we have to do is use those particular electronic impulses to open the box back up and return to the real world.
Somehow I can't help but wonder if your view is tainted on the myopic side from a subjective experience that went badly more so than an objective view.

amalie wrote:Mystification will not help us do that anymore that but international space policy legislation will.


Just what I want to see, more legislation on top of poor legislation. How about eliminating some of the poor first.

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amalie wrote:Not only does the forum thread on space policy tell me there are no new mails when I just posted , but it gives the wrong time for the post 1.19am when I actually posted at 2.19am Pacific time.
Go to the User Control Panel. Click the tab labeled Board Preferences. Check to see if your time zone is set correctly?

As far as the notification issue, I don’t think that it will notify you for one of your own posts, just posts from others.

As far as forum members not responding. Just know that there are many many silent readers, of which I am one. I usually read every post, but hardly ever have anything to say.

Warm welcome to the forum.

GV
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