ROBOTS AND CONCIOUSNESS

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AM2 wrote: The "Prince of Darkness" and "The Thing" also contain Lovecraftian undertones.


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The Thing that John Carpenter made in 1982 was a remake from a movie in 1951 or 52...or somewhere around there and was based upon a story by John Campbell called "Who goes there?"

And this one was by the legendary Howard Hawks.

Anyone know, off the top of their head without resorting to a google, who played the part of the Thing?

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edit in to answer the above!
I could be wrong Mr. Mikado but Helen Towt told me when I was a kid that it was James Arness. I have never verified that. She also told me that they looked long and hard for the appropriate horse for him to ride in Gunsmoke, finally choosing that enormous buckskin ( 17 hands she told me and difficult to find. But needed because a normal horse made it look like he was riding a pony.) Ha, funny. Touches from the past ..................

Stay the course Mr. AM2! Whale ho!

And to all who have participated in this wondrous thread. You are all magnificent!

And I could barely believe my eyes. A "bingo" and a" ditto "from Mr. Trickfox and Mr. Mikado ...... and a " not where they are from" but " when they are from" from Mr JZimmer. Dancing in the kitchen here folks.

And Langley and Fred and Rose and Magic Bill and of course kevin....oh forgive me if you have been part of this discussion and I have failed to note your name...Griffin, and Gregg, of course ... thank you Mark also and Andrew for everything you have contributed to get to this point.

I think that this has been one of the most special threads so far developed. Thank you ALL so much! Linda
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Talk about blazing speed! Yes Ms. Brown, things are just moving so fast at the moment, that I am just watching it all go and "hanging on" as it does. But I still cannot shake the picture of FTM out completely because of events related to me about Montauk and the experiences related by natives there. I also would like to interject a bit about aether having a role in all of the underlying electrogravitic and electromagnetic theories and postulations.
:idea:
From Dr. Harold Aspden's website at http://www.energyscience.org.uk/as/4853.htm

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Fig. 1: Pattern of electron field cavity wave resonance
Dr. Aspden wrote: Now, the electron itself is a form of energy compressed into a field and we can calculate how that energy is distributed. J. J. Thomson did that calculation in the 19th century to find that, in electrostatic units, the energy e2/2a was seated outside the charge radius a. However, he discovered from the study of how electron mass increased with speed, even tending to become infinite as the speed of light was approached, that the effective rest mass of the electron was 2e2/3ac2.

This meant that, if the electron were hollow within the radius a, then we could write the energy E as being 3Mc2/4. However, even before Einstein came into the picture in 1905, the Cambridge cosmologist, the James Jeans already mentioned had, in his early years before being knighted, explained that mass and energy are equivalent and had argued that matter could be annihilated to produce radiant energy. He saw this as being the energy source feeding the sun and all other stars.

It is a simple exercise to work out that if the pressure of the electron field at the radius a is the same within the body of the electron, meaning that the charge e has an appropriate distribution conforming with this condition, then the speed of propagation of wave disturbances in the electron charge itself has the value c and that the electric energy inside that radius is e2/6a. So, you see, the net result is an electron of energy 2e2/3a giving a relationship between energy and mass that we can write as E=Mc2.

Much of this was accepted physics before Einstein appeared on the scene and was known as 'electron theory', so it is very hard to understand how modern physicists can write that history off as if it never happened!

For our immediate purpose, we have now the basis for studying the coordinated wave interaction as between that external influence at the Compton electron frequency and the wavelengths associated with that radius parameter a of the electron.

Looking now at Fig. 1, ask yourself how the world outside the electron might interface with the world inside the core charge of the electron. If you think of pressure from the viewpoint of a gas then the interface is just a pressure interface and there is not much to say. However, a gas comprises numerous particles all moving in different directions. There are three degrees of freedom. However, inside that electron it may be that there are not numerous component particles behaving as a gas and moving with those three degrees of freedom. There could be an oscillation that has only one degree of freedom, amounting in its overall effect to a radial oscillation within the radius a. I emphasize here that I have no special insight into what goes on inside an electron. I can only make tentative assumptions and reason on that basis to see how what develops compares with what we see and measure in our experiments. So, I trust you are following the gist of my argument, because I am coming to the point that between the sphere of radius a and the sphere interfacing with those Compton frequency oscillations there is an adjustment at constant pressure in going from one degree of freedom to three degrees of freedom.
You can read his entire paper at the web address given above.

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Re: ROBOTS AND CONCIOUSNESS

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what if it would be possible to communicate with the deceased from the great beyond AND/OR beings from other dimensions AND/OR other humans in parallel universes AND/OR beings from more rarefied planes of existence?
'"oh, woodn't it be loverly?' (sung in an Eliza Higgins voice)

AM, that speculation reminds me of this odd tale that was posted a few months after the disappearance of Steve Fossett. I'm going to give the url for the original story, but copy and paste it here as well, because websites have a way of disappearing (as I've learned from trying to follow many links from past posts here.)

http://www.elementworld.com/index.php?o ... 9&Itemid=1
My report that Steve Fossett has apparently discovered a path to the fourth dimension caused me to receive so many e-mails you wouldn’t believe.

Interestingly enough, amongst the numerous junk e-mails I received, there is this one particular e-mail I must share with you guys.

Dear Simon,

I’ve read your report on the Steve Fossett disappearance. I am shocked that news media outlet has completely disregarded the story. I really feel that there is some sort of conspiracy from an organization that doesn’t want us to know the truth about Mr. Fossett’s great discovery. Contact me if you want more information.

M.

I was very skeptical of this mysterious man’s e-mail. I wrote back, we exchanged a few e-mails and he eventually built up enough trust to tell me more about him, under the condition that I do not reveal his identity.

I am a good friend of Steve. We met through a charity for which I work. He remembered me from the first time we met, and over time we built a great friendship. I wouldn’t say we were the closest of friends, but we managed to touch base regularly.

In the weeks before his disappearance, we had only a few contacts. We played phone tag a couple times and spoke mainly through answering machine messages.

In one of the messages, he mentioned he had made “a great discovery that would change the world” and that he would try to arrange for me to come visit him in the next few weeks to witness it myself.

He sounded very insistent, but Steve was always ecstatic about something new. Whether it was a new plane, a new toy, a new world record, he was always enthused about something. So at the time I didn’t make too much of it and deleted the message.

Had I known what was about to happen.

Finally I was able to catch him on his mobile just a few days before he disappeared. He told me I should come down to his ranch without further due because he had found a path to a whole new world.

Obviously I called him crazy, and jokingly asked what he had been drinking.

But Steve wasn’t kidding. He told me that he had spotted a mysterious white light of circular shape on the ground during one of his reconnaissance flights around the neighborhood. He said he had never noticed that light before.

He told me that he went back home without investigating but kept thinking about the light and where it could be coming from, since it was in a deserted region.

He just went on and on with the light and I couldn’t even say one word. He said that he went back a few days later to investigate, but the light had somehow moved about a quarter mile up north. He landed.

Almost as if the light had felt him approaching, it instantly moved to a nearby hill. He said he couldn’t believe what was happening in front of him and he tried to call home to tell Peggy. But his phone mysteriously had died.

As he approached, he could see that the light was in fact a large “hole”, and there were several blue-ish humanoids moving inside. Nobody seemed to notice him as he walked closer, and he was beginning to see what was like a whole new society in there, half-underground, half-exposed to sun light, right there in the middle of the desert.

He told me he went back several times over the course of the next couple days, and each time the “white hole” had moved.

I asked him why he didn’t take any specialists there, like UFO experts, and he said that he did, but neither he nor them dared to step in and interact with the humanoid figures.

He continued to insist that I should come visit him and he’d take me. I was a little bit freaked out and wondered if my friend had lost his mind, and told him I’d “see what I can do” to visit him soon and quickly hung up the phone.

That was the last I heard of my friend Steve Fossett.

M.

But wait. If you think this is weird, wait ‘til you see what’s next.

Hi Simon.

I thought you might be interested in this latest update on the Steve Fossett story.

Since the disappearance I’ve kept in touch with Peggy, Steve’s wife. Neither of us had mentioned this “episode” although she knew I was aware.

Last night (or very early this morning I should say) she called me at home and was completely panicked. She said she’d been trying to reach her family and close friends, but that no one answered.

She was screaming loudly and I was still in the “haze” when you’re suddenly awakened.

She told me that Steve had come home and spoke to her. Here is what she said. The words may not be exact because I was still in bed with nothing to write but what I got from the story between her sobs essentially goes like this.

Peggy had spent the evening with some friends at home and her friends left early. She sat in the living room to watch television for a while, and feel asleep on the couch.

She woke up some time later, and went upstairs to brush her teeth in the bathroom and go to bed. It was while she was brushing her teeth with the bathroom door open that he appeared. He didn’t “appear” she said, it was like he had normally walked up to the door.

Peggy was in absolute shock. She hadn’t heard him coming. She said he wasn’t like a ghost or anything weird, he looked rather normal, except that he was wearing a white shirt with a strange collar she’d never seen and white pants.

He said in his normal voice that he didn’t want to wake her downstairs. He told her not to be afraid or mad. During this whole time he stood a few feet away and never got closer.

He said he had been in a whole new place where money and war didn’t exist. He calmly said that they should stop looking for him, that they would never find him or his plane. He told her that he loved her dearly and that he couldn’t explain, but that we would all know in due time. He asked her to be patient and trust him. He said that he had come just so she could find closure, and know that they will be together again soon. He asked her not to tell anyone about this, that he would explain everything to the whole world in due time, and he left, just as quietly as he had arrived.

Peggy told me she stayed motionless in shock for several long minutes, and then went around the house to investigate since she hadn’t heard any doors open. Unsurprisingly, she found nothing. Nothing had moved, and the only proof she had of this visit were some foot prints on the carpet upstairs.

I didn’t know what to tell my friend on the phone nor my wife asking me who was screaming on the phone so late.


I don’t know what to tell you Simon, I never in my life thought something like this would happen to me or one of my close friends. I tried talking to some ghost specialists about this but they all told me that I am trying to make money because my friend Steve is somebody famous.

I assure you I want no money or attention from the media for this, I just wanted to share this bizarre story with someone who believed me. A New York Times journalist called me a “nut job” but I assure you I am of sound body and mind, and I really do hope that one day my friend Steve will come clear this up for us…

M.
Bizarro, yes. Highly unlikely, yes...but not completely impossible to anyone one has ever seen or experienced the overlapping dimensions.

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Rose,

You might remember that there was quite a discussion about Steve Fossetts disappearance. You might be able to do a forum search. We talked about the type of plane that he was flying... alot of things.

So while its nice to see his name again in print I have one major point to offer while reading this mans " account of his lost friend."

He states that he was flying out of his ranch. And refers to it as Steves home.

The ranch did not belong to Steve Fossett. He was a visitor. In fact the plane was borrowed and his wife was waiting for him at the ranch because they were planning to fly home as soon as he got back from this little scouting trip. For this " friend of Steves" to miss that point casts a serious shadow on his credibility.

Unless of course the idea is to introduce this concept that he had gone into another dimension so poorly that it would be immediately discounted. But of course the image remains and then the talk begins.

My only comment is this (And I know it is wishful thinking.) But if I had a big project cooking somewhere and needed Steve Fossett I think I would find a way to " disappear him". And from what I have read of the man... he would volunteer.

I believe if this was the case ... his wife and one of his best friends (Richard Branson) would probably know the truth of it all. Of course, they would never tell. So for me, this is just wishful thinking. I would like to buy into the thought of him " going into some bright light, plane and all". Thats alot happier thought than finding his body still strapped to the wreckage someday in some lonely canyon. As Mr. Twigsnapper has said.... Until they find his body ( and there are some still looking I understand, Would you stop?) he would prefer to consider the possibilities of that light. Linda
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I am not sure that this belongs here particularly and I hate to draw attention away from this Steve Fossett discussion but I "happened" to find this while browsing through our old messages to one another. And this one was from Flow.
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"Ark devices are not specifically mentioned in recovered cuneiform writings to my knowledge, but that's the sort of archaeological data that might not see the light of day. However there were references to the effects that communication with the "Deities" had upon the High Priests
and Mespopotamian Royalty. They were said to develop "qeren" or horns of light at each side of their head that lasted for sometime after such sessions, and this was a sign of their special status and their connection with the Divinities. Moses is also said to have had "qeren" after his sessions in the holy presence, and in fact is sometimes artistically depicted in that manner. To me this all indicates some sort of ancient direct device to brain communication capabilities.

flow.... Dancing is better than marchingflowperson
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THERE YA GO FOLKS. INDICATES SOME SORT OF ANCIENT DIRCT DEVICE TO BRAIN COMMUNICATION CAPABILITIES. And someone on the forum recently said ... Not WHERE they come from but WHEN they come from.

Could this "Ark" be the same kind of device that we have been talking about now? And what, in the long run, does that mean in our understanding of our own history?

Just dancing with Flow here folks! Victoria
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I'm sorry, every time I see people walking around with those bluetooth things hanging off their ears, little blue LED's glowing, I think of the cybernetic Ops manager of Lando Calrissian, and the Borg...not a positive association.

But when I read the above in light of bluetooth technology, suddenly it doesn't seem like much of a stretch at all to have people with glowing lights coming out the side of their heads after they talk to the gods.

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Sometimes, when posting on this board, i feel like a hapless surfer who keeps missing the wave....I'm paddling as hard as i can but by the time i get to my feet the wave keeps passing me by.

Therefore, my apologies in advance, if I seem not to be keeping up my end of a conversation. I was in the midst of researching the discussions on Fossett's disappearance just today when we had a call from a friend with car trouble, so I have nothing pertinent to say about that subject. Other than that I'm with you, Linda.. to imagine him alive and healthy somewhere .it's a much happier thought than the alternative. I like to think that perhaps Phillip Kramer's disappearance was also arranged for some positive reason.
Philip Taylor Kramer, one-time bassist for the rock group Iron Butterfly, disappeared on February 12'th, 1996, and hasn't been seen or heard from since. Among the computer networks, news of his disappearance created only a minor flurry of comments by rock music fans yet for the most part his disappearance remained of little interest. Until, that is, the rumors came down from both reliable and dubious sources that Kramer was working on a faster-than-light communications system just before his disappearance. In various paranormal and so-called "advanced science" discussion groups, the possibility that he had been abducted by a super secret agency of the United States, the Russians, or aliens from another planet began. A dozen "real reasons" for his alleged abduction have risen to the top of the conjecture heap and all of them are, well, imaginative.

I observed the growing rumors and the widening conspiracy yet I didn't think much of it -- until KTLA News here in Los Angeles ran a short five minute report on his disappearance and confirmed that Kramer had indeed been working on a faster-than-light communications system. KTLA reported that Representative James A. Traficant Jr. of Ohio was concerned about Kramer's disappearance due to the fact that Kramer held nuclear-oriented security clearances tied to the MX Missile project and due to the type of mathematical research Kramer was working on
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http://www.skeptictank.org/kramer.htm

and now, back to the archives...waving to the Radomir and Victoria, the interim posters. I'm not ignoring you, just trying to keep my brain from fragmenting in six different directions.

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Rose wrote: I like to think that perhaps Phillip Kramer's disappearance was also arranged for some positive reason.
Ah, the synchronicities just flow on! I recently was at a friend's and he was going through some old vinyl albums, one of which was of Iron Butterfly. Then out of the blue he related a rather bizarre story regarding Philip Taylor Kramer and the genius he was, and how he was on his way to a meeting with FTL designs in communications in his possession. His vehicle was found over a cliff but neither he nor any papers were found at the scene.
Rose wrote: I observed the growing rumors and the widening conspiracy yet I didn't think much of it -- until KTLA News here in Los Angeles ran a short five minute report on his disappearance and confirmed that Kramer had indeed been working on a faster-than-light communications system. KTLA reported that Representative James A. Traficant Jr. of Ohio was concerned about Kramer's disappearance due to the fact that Kramer held nuclear-oriented security clearances tied to the MX Missile project and due to the type of mathematical research Kramer was working on.

http://www.skeptictank.org/kramer.htm
While I agree that it is a possibility that he went into "deep cover" to work on some super secret defense project, it is also possible that he was taken or killed because of what he had in his possession or where he was taking that knowledge. There have been too many mysterious deaths and disappearances of scientists who discovered ways to make life better at little cost. Many others are simply discredited as quacks and charlatans.

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On May 29, 1999, Kramer's Ford Aerostar minivan and skeletal remains were found by photographers looking for old car wrecks to shoot at the bottom of Decker Canyon near Malibu, California. Based on forensic evidence and Kramer's emergency call to the police his death was ruled as a probable suicide committed on the day on which he was last heard.
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This is wierd. I just overheard a conversation about a computer designer expert who was "lost" while on his sailing boat off the coast of California. According to what I happened to overhear no one has found him or the boat though the boat was outfitted with the utmost in electronics. Can't for the life of me remember what the name was. Anybody help out there? Apparently this is another one of those " Where'd he go?" scenarios, under VERY unusual circumstances.

If thats the case and these guys were " disappeared" lets sure hope that this is a positive move on some secret organizations part and not something really nasty. Three of those guys would make quite a team I think.

Somebody out there know what I am talking about? Runs in my head that he was the creator of some of the most used systems. Just wish I could rewind the converstation. Hard to evesdrop and be so damned casual about it. Should have introduced myself into the conversation but I just couldn't figure how to do that gracefully. Added to that these were friends of my brothers, all " intelligence community" types and I don't think they would have appreciated my interest!

edit, edit! Try looking at this. This is the man I think they were all talking about because I remember that his sailboat was red and thats not the most common color to pick for a hull I think. Anyway, you guys take a look and tell me if we should look harder in this direction? I am hearing the slight call of the huntsmans horn here!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... NS9084.DTL
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And this is why we should post on an open forum that which we do?

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The psychopropulsier (as pointed out in the book The Good-bye man by Linda Brown and Jan Lofton) is a Quantum entanglement project under development using Quantum Junctions. Join us at http://www.Peeteelab.com
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