Questions about "Charles"

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby twigsnapper » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:39 pm

And for as much as a pain in the arse as they were, turns out I rather appreciate the FBIs historical notes and interest now.

And Linda, I don't mind being a leftover. Still tasty. Fare Forward.

Good notes Nate.

And along with this Paul you might remember that there was a gentleman involved in the Los Angeles demonstrations who had something to do with a lumber company? Reading between the black marks is always interesting but there is a common thread here.

""On 9/11/52 Bureau Agents interviewed [blacked out] at which time [blacked out] stated [blacked out] was trying to develop an invention which would take smoke out of the air, and in this regard, a corporation had been formed called the Electronatom Corporation with offices at 30 Rockefeller Plaza and laboratory at 7 West 45 Street, NYC. This corporation was being promoted by Gen. William Donovan" (NY Rpt, 9/29/52).

You say Donovan of course and what you mean is .... Sir William Stephenson. I think that you all have pretty well cemented ( haha) that alliance.

My best to all of you. Couldn't be more proud. Between careful reading and the snipping of bean can tops .... this is one helluva group. twigsnapper
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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby htmagic » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:10 pm

twigsnapper wrote:Between careful reading and the snipping of bean can tops .... this is one helluva group. twigsnapper

Mr. Twigsnapper,

That is funny!
I wonder if Dr. Brown resorted to bean can lids or belly dancer cymbals to demonstrate a concept?

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby twigsnapper » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:21 pm

Magic Bill,

Of course! And then some.

Be careful however in your work. If you make a mistake you may not immediately see it. Things in this world are subtle. If you throw the switch and nothing happens do not take the stand that you have disproven the concept. Think before you come to that conclusion that you may be off just a tad here or there. Thats all it takes to disappear the proper result of the test.

You would laugh at some of the things that he used. From things in the kitchen to automotive tail lens. Hahaha. Reminds me of NASA spending millions to develop a pen that would work in outer space. The Russians sent pencils. twigsnapper
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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby kevin.b » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:19 pm

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby htmagic » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:49 pm

twigsnapper wrote:Magic Bill,

Of course! And then some.

Be careful however in your work. If you make a mistake you may not immediately see it. Things in this world are subtle. If you throw the switch and nothing happens do not take the stand that you have disproven the concept. Think before you come to that conclusion that you may be off just a tad here or there. Thats all it takes to disappear the proper result of the test.

You would laugh at some of the things that he used. From things in the kitchen to automotive tail lens. Hahaha. Reminds me of NASA spending millions to develop a pen that would work in outer space. The Russians sent pencils. twigsnapper

Mr. Twigsnapper,

Using items from the kitchen and other places shows that Dr. Brown had a very good imagination. And from my thread on handwriting analysis that I have done so far, I see he had great enthusiasm in some of his notebooks.

i can imagine the tail lens from autos. Back in the 50s they had those tail fins and pointed lenses. It must have been a sight.

I will keep what you say in mind. I am aware that sometimes all is not spelled out in the patent to deliberately defy duplication. i will be adjusting voltages, polarities, etc. once I get the test stand set up. I'm waiting on my high voltage capacitors...

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby htmagic » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:51 pm

kevin.b wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4eVLgvvOSI
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Kevin,

Great video. And I just watched the Schauberger video that you posted earlier.
Talk about serendipity...

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"The Missing Years"

Postby Paul S. » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:35 pm

I'm just dusting off my spectacles here and crawling into this thread.... I'll probably have more to say after I've read a bit more but I thought I'd answer this here...

Linda Brown wrote: So Paul... if its not too hard. Can we have a picture of Charles posted? One of those "moving leafs" I guess.


Memory can be a tricky thing, but my recollection at the moment is: I've never SEEN a picture of Charles Miller, have I? I mean, I can go look but... where do I start looking...

There might be one person who could supply us with a picture, but that person will have to speak for himself, if in fact he's got a picture he's willing to share.

And I agree with you. Mark. What was happening in 1962? Linda


What occurs to me as I read all this is that we are talking about the period that Linda and I refer to as "The Missing Years."

I have deliberately skipped over the period from 1958 to 67 when "No Notes Were Taken." I have occasionally made notes for a chapter that I might drop in somewhere near the end called "The Missing Years" which would attempt to recap what we do know of Dr. Brown's movements and activities during those years, some of which Linda has alluded to above.

It's interesting stuff, particularly Charles' arrival on the scene, but it is also "more of the same," i.e. more movement and activity that doesn't necessarily add up into any conclusive new insights into the prevailing questions. I know that some of the intrigue during this period revolves around the disposition of the flame jet generator, but I really don't have a lot to go on in that regard.

On the other hand, I find some value in leaving as dark and black a hole around those years as I can possibly create by jumping over them, and having the story lines merge when Morgan and Linda recover a half dozen notebooks when there should only have been two.

Morgan's occasional insistence in our correspondence that the "missing" notebooks have been stashed "somewhere safe... really safe..." to me lends credence to the idea that the answers to at least some of the riddles are hidden in those notebooks. So to me, creating a big black hole around them underscores their importance.

It is also interesting to note, as Linda has mentioned here, that the Brown family lived in Nassau for a time during this period, which would have put them closer to the hub of Caroline operations. Likewise, Charles' appearance suggests that something was important and maybe even dangerous enough to warrant having an unacknowledged bodyguard like Charles around (although Helen Towt played a similar role in the years prior, when the family was in Leesburg).

So, I dunno, I may yet go back and do something with those years. Perhaps it would make more sense to do so when I've somehow managed to assemble some insights that would answer the riddles, rather than repeat them.

Absent that, though, those 9 years serve a much more dramatic purpose having gone completely "missing."

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby natecull » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:18 pm

Btw, here's a few more references to Fluid-Ionic Systems and their precipitators. These beasties are BIG. Guess Daddy's little smoke air ioniser really grew up.

1982: Fluid-Ionic Systems is part of Dresser Industries, based in Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.wahchang.com/pages/outlook/h ... /04_01.htm

Zirconium has proven effective at resisting corrosion in pollution control devices where concentrated hydrochloric and sulfuric acids are involved.

Zirconium's effectiveness in this application was demonstrated recently when the metal was used in a one-half million dollar precipitator installed at Teledyne Wah Chang Albany (TWCA).

The FLUID-PLATE TM Modular Wet Electrostatic precipitator was designed and manufactured by Dresser Industries' Fluid-Ionic Systems. This precipitator culminated a 10-year search for a system that could effectively remove submicron particles from the corrosive gases emitted from TWCA's zirconium and hafnium rotary kilns.

Because of zirconium's superior corrosion resistant properties, it was used to construct all fixtures exposed to ammonium sulfate and chloride gases generated by the kilns. The metal was also chosen for use in this application because of its cost competitiveness, durability, and formability.

The emitting electrodes, which are charged with 45,000 volts, were fabricated from zirconium pipe, tube, and wire. As an additional corrosion-fighting step, several process water spray fixtures and numerous pipefittings were constructed from zirconium. Also, all hardware located inside the precipitator, which is exposed to the corrosive gas stream, was manufactured from zirconium.

The severity of the corrosive environment involved was demonstrated in the water supply system where mild steel was used for some components on a temporary basis. Within two weeks after the precipitator was started up in September, the mild steel failed as the result of corrosive attack. Zirconium components installed in the same environment and on a permanent -basis, show no signs of corrosion to date.

The pre-engineered FLUID-PLATE TM precipitator was fabricated and static tested at the Fluid-Ionic Systems manufacturing facility in Phoenix, Arizona. Careful attention was paid to component alignment and all interconnecting flanges were pre-drilled to reduce field erection time and cost. As a result, the unit was installed in just two days.



1982-1986: John Chilese, who now has 'Active Top Secret Clearance' heads the precipitator development program in Phoenix
http://johnchilese.com/4.html

Fluid-Ionic Systems Development Eng. Phoenix 03/82 to 02/86
Responsible for design, development, and start-up of 155,000 sq.-ft Wet Electrostatic Precipitator. Used in capturing acid mist, this is largest installation in the northern hemisphere. Designed the largest Resin Transfer Molded part ever fabricated.


I guess this is the same beastie.

But look at what the rest of his resume is! It's all aircraft, satellites and lasers.


Army Electronics Specialist Germany 08/71 to 08/74
Arizona State University Teaching Assistant Tempe 09/74 to 08/76
Sperry Flight Systems Sr. Project Eng. Phoenix 11/76 to 08/81

Designed and developed the mechanical layout, magnetic suspension, and internal components for satellite attitude control and pointing systems.
Launched Designs:
Standard Reaction Wheel NASA Spring 1980
Gamma Scanner Sandia Laboratory Winter 1983


Phoenix Controls, Inc. Program Manager Phoenix 07/86 to 07/88

Fire Door Actuator Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey
Oxygen Monitor Solenoid Boeing-Vertol V-22 Osprey
8000 psi Solenoids Cadillac Gage F-23 Adv. Tact Fighter


Lockheed Martin Sr. Staff Engineer Sunnyvale 01/89-05/05

Airborne Laser Program: Responsible for the conceptual design and layout of the Beam Director Assembly. This highly complex, gimbaled optical assembly is a key component in the nose-mounted, laser, missile-defense system. Developed 3D solids model used for structural analysis, mass modeling, and demonstration of the mechanical concept to Air Force customer. Developed detailed solid modeling of turret components to include: coude beam path optical components, Roll Axis Twist Capsule Assembly, Inner Yaw Actuator Assembly, and kinematic mount systems.
Alpha Lamp Integration Program: Lead mechanical engineer for the megawatt-class, ground-based laser experiment at Capistrano, California. Designed, installed and aligned many of the optical and structural components, ranging from precise small kinematic optical mounts to structural members consistent with 4 meter mirrors used in this large telescope experiment. Utilized 3D analysis of all major subsystems to ensure proper component placement, assembly, and interfacing within the vacuum test chamber.
Zenith Star Program: Mechanical engineer on this space based laser system. Designed the 3D Beam Control & Transfer Subsystem Mechanical Model utilized for mass, structural analysis, and presentation. Developed computer program for optical component placement.



The little fan that could spends time with some fun company, don't it?
It's a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby kevin.b » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:47 pm

Natecull,
Brilliant.
Zirconium, GOLD LIKE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconium
and just look how they extract it from SAND
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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby htmagic » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:47 pm

Nate,

And zirconium, like its cousin hafnium, is pyrophoric like uranium.
Zirconium is corrosion resistant and good for high temperature applications.

Good find.

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:36 am

I wish to ask a question, what does any of the previous post have to with Charles Miller for I am just not seeing it.

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby Paul S. » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:55 am

Oh, Mikado, you and me, we are such dreamers, thinking that there could be some actual continuity to these threads....

Instead we get to follow the bouncing balls in a multi-level, multi-dimensional cyber pong game...

Firehose. Mmmm... tasty.

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby natecull » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:12 am

Mikado14 wrote:I wish to ask a question, what does any of the previous post have to with Charles Miller for I am just not seeing it.
Mikado


Yes, sorry, it doesn't, the only connection is that black hole 1961-1964 period, satellite propulsion systems, and 'what came next', which is where I wanted to mention de Seversky because I thought the only context he'd surfaced in this forum was as a red herring. But the Donovan-Electronatom connection suggests otherwise. Some of which perhaps you all know already, I'm never quite sure.

(And parenthetically, I sure do want to know just who the heck Beebe Bourne was to be up to her neck in such an interesting 'family business'. Music and trans-Atlantic national security / aerospace. Wtf? Smells like Eldridge and RCA-Victor to me, but the Association of Independent Music Publishers appears to be an unrelated enterprise. Appears.)

By all means lets go back to Charles, he's an interesting character. I'll take some more musings on electrostatic precipators (which I'm sure I've seen mentioned in the backlogs but haven't fully read) to another thread.
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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:45 am

Okay, if the picture of Charles Miller with his arms folded doesn't ring a bell, how about the one with leaning against a car?

Cripes, if this doesn't ring a bell then just consider me to be like the crazy Dalek in the Season Finale of Dr. Who that was just on the SciFi channel.

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Re: Questions about "Charles"

Postby htmagic » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:48 am

Mikado14 wrote:Okay, if the picture of Charles Miller with his arms folded doesn't ring a bell, how about the one with leaning against a car?

Cripes, if this doesn't ring a bell then just consider me to be like the crazy Dalek in the Season Finale of Dr. Who that was just on the SciFi channel.

Mikado

And that was one good episode!
And has nothing to do with Charles Miller.

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