Gravity and Spin

It seems there are quite a few visitors who have their own ideas about one of the great mysteries of our universe, Gravity. Here's a place where all the budding Einstein's among us can wax eloquent on the subject.

Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby kevin.b » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:17 pm

I have just been listening to some words of a Fr Charlie moore, his ideas about the new testament and the bible are very interesting, and one phrase he used caught my attention in particuler,
Grace Gravity.
Edit in a link,
http://beyondtheordinary.net/fathercharlie.shtml
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Junglelord » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:24 pm

Mass is already well known.
Mass of the electron is the most common component.
But Mass of the Proton, Neutron, Aether is also known.
SI unit definition, except Mass is a Dimension.
Nothing happens to Mass.
It is constant which is related to its EM Charge.
All Electrostatic Charge is the same for all three atomic units.
EM Charge is realitve to the Mass of the unit.
This is the relationship of Mass Dimension to Charge Dimension.
This is how the nucleus is created, not gluons.

Energy is the product of 5 Dimensional analysis. Mass, Length^2 and Freq^2, that is five dimensions.
enrg = m(e) x Lq^2 x Fq^2
It is not a fundamental component of the universe as it is always described.

Nonmaterial Aether research from APM done by me.

1. What is a quantum constant of the aether unit?
Answer Page 31
A non material aether unit is a two spin rotating magnetic field (rmfd). A quantum aether unit has a percise value equal to coulombs constant times 16pi^2
Au = rmfd = k C x 16pi^2

2. Is the rotating magnetic field concept of the aether presented in the Aether Physics Model similar to any other aether concepts?
Answer Page 31
John Bernoulli's Whirlpool Aether. All space, is permeated by a fluid Aether, containing an immense number of excessively small whirlpools. The elasticity which the aether appears to possess and in virtue of which it is able to transmit vibrations, is really due to the presence of these whirlpools. Due to centrifugal force, each whirlpool is continually striving to dilate, and so presses against the neighboring whirlpools.

The Vortex is the archetype form.

24. What is the difference between APM "constants" and other systems?
Answer page 23
In APM quantum measurements and quantum units also serve as quantum constants. Other systems have constants but not quantum constants.

25. Name two common constants that become quantum constants in APM.
Answer page 23
a) quantum velocity is equal to speed of light notated as c
b) quantum angular momentum is equal to Planck's constant notated as h.

26. How do the units of dimensions build from quantum measurements?
Answer page 23
A unit of potential is a unit of dimension made of quantum measurement.
potn = m(e) x Lq^2 x Fq^2 / e emax^2 (eq. 1.2)

Where
m(e) = mass @ electron,
Lq = quantum length,
Fq = quantum frequency,
e emax<2> = EM charge @ electron

but in the case of velc = Lq x Fq = c (eq 1.3)
we can substitute c

31. Quantum measurements and quantum units are quantum constants in APM. Many essential constants already existent classic physics. What existing constants does APM recognize?
Answer page 25
Coulombs constant, gravitational constant, the speed of light, permeability of free space, permittivity of free space, Planck's constant, fine structure constant of the electron and the Compton wavelength retain the same values, dimensions and nomenclature as in the Standard Model.

32. What new constants and quantum units appear in APM?
Answer page 25
Conductance of the aether, which is essential for calculating and understanding the nature of strong charge. APM also produces the Aether constant, which is Au or rmfd. The aether constant is equal to K(c) x 16pi^2. The Gforce is also a new constant, which might be mentioned at this time.
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Junglelord » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:45 pm

The Physical Universe
10. What is at the core of the aether physics model?
Answer Page 37
At the core of the APM is a mathematically correct Unified Force Theory, the first such theory to exist in modern science. The Unified Force Theory develops from the concept of distributed charge and fine structures of the onta
(e- p+ n) fine structures are proportions of spherical elementary charge to equalivalent spherical strong charge.
The strong force is mathematically and experimentally proven to have a charge that compliments, but is different from, elementary charge. They Casimir equation is proof that the electron has a strong charge and that it obeys a strong force law. The theory and experiments to prove the existence of electron strong force were not seen for what they were because of the investment and that pi meson (pion). When examining the Newton gravitational law, coulombs electrostatic law, and the strong force law, what seemed to be four distinct forces demonstrate to be three different manifestations of the Gforce with three different dimension's.

11. What is the Gforce comparable to?
Answer Page 38
The Gforce is comparable to the Sun and the three aspects of onta (e- p+ n), (electrostatic charge, electromagnetic charge, and mass), are comparable to three different colors of glass. We see three different forces in the physical world, but they are all manifestations of one Gforce, as three different colors of light emanates from three different colored panes of glass, even though they are manifestations of one light source. This is an example of how force evolves into complexity similar to the way subatomic particles bind to become Atoms. The so called a weak force is really a proportion of electrostatic charge to electromagnetic charge.

12. What does Primary Angular Momentum explain?
Answer Page 38
Primary angular momentum explains the structure behind all matter and light interactions, thereby eliminating the mysterious wave particle duality theory of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Primary angular momentum is the primary form of material existence and explains the photoelectric effect, pair production, and Compton Effect in units that directly relate to the electron and photon.

13. What new equations does APM hypothesize?
Answer Page 38
The nuclear binding forces and electron binding energies of all isotopes. The preliminary steps towards the discovery of an atomic spectral equations, which predicts the spectra of all isotopes and their ions. The electron and nuclear binding energy equations and atomic spectra equations are destined to be the new holy grail of physics. We have already had significant success with the electron binding energy equation. From these three equations, we will likely develop molecular equations, which can predict the properties of any substance before it is known to exist.

Unified Force Theory
14. What is the foundation of the Aether Physics Model?
Answer. Page38
The Unified Force Theory is the foundation upon which the Aether Physics Model rests. The standard model of physics recognizes only one type of charge the elementary charge, which has a single dimension of charge. In APM we notate all charges as distributed. Charge is not a point, and we ignore structural characteristics that result from treating it as a point. Charge always appears over the surface of an object, even if the object is a single electron. Therefore the correct dimensions of charge are charge squared. Instead of presenting elementary charge as e, elementary charge the present as e squared (e^2).
e = 1.602 x 10^-19 coul
e^2 = 2.567 x 10^-38 coul^2

15. What replaces the gluons in APM?
Answer Page 39
According to the standard model gluons carry the strong force in quarks, and pions carry the strong force in nuclei. In APM, the strong force carries by strong charge. Strong charge is related to elementary charge, but it has a different geometry, spin and magnitude. Strong charge notates as e emax for the electron, e pmax for the proton, and e nmax for the neutron. But as in the case of elementary charge, Strong charge is always distributed. So for example, electron strong charge would notate as e emax^2

16. What is the weak interaction in APM?
Answer. Page 39
The weak interaction is the proportion of the elementary charge to the strong charge. The weak interaction is equal to 8pi times the fine structure of the onn. The relationship of the elementary charge, strong charge, and weak interaction for each onn appears as follows where * (alpha), p, n are the fine structures of the electron, proton and neutron respectively.
Electron onn = e^2/e emax^2 = 8pi *
Proton onn = e^2/e pmax^2 = 8pi p
Neutron onn = e^2/e nmax^2 = 8pi n

Primary Angular Momentum
17. How can we best describe subatomic particles and Atoms?
Answer Page 40
Atoms are more like multilayered, discrete, shimmering clouds. Each layer contains proportionally enormous amounts of energy and shimmers at a different and precise electromagnetic frequency. Only when atoms interact with one another in large numbers do they behave as expected in their classical state, what scientists call the visible world. In APM these multilayered clouds are the angular momentum of individual onta. Since these onta are the smallest stable form of material existence, it is proper to the view the onta as primary angular momentum. When we take the literal dimension of primary angular momentum we find that there is a mass dimension, they are two length dimensions, and there is a frequency dimension. Expressed in terms of quantum measurements angular momentum is
h = m(e) x Lq^2 x Fq

18. What is a good way to visualize primary angular momentum?
Answer Page 40-41
One way to visualize this is to see a line of mass moving perpendicular at a velocity. Take a straight object, like a pencil and hold it in front of you. The pencil represents a mass times length. In one quick motion move the pencil at a velocity perpendicular to its length across a table. The blurred image you see graphically represents the nature of primary angular momentum. Of course, an electron is not literally a straight line moving sideways. We must take into account the curvature of the Aether double loxodrome structure. Since the onn mass has to fit in the small circumference of the loxodrome tube, the line of mass would appear as a circle. Ligamen circulatus (LC) names this line of mass. The perpendicular path of the line of mass as it moves sideways also traces out a circular path. The resulting geometry is toroidal. The toroid, however, traces on as a sphere and from pole to pole, when viewed in space-resonance coordinates. When viewed in space-time coordinates as with human perception, the shape is actually that of a cardioid. The Aether imparts, and thus accounts for, the spin in the loxodrome structure of the onn. APM full equations for the toroid like geometry of primary angular momentum and its relationship to spin will be examined later.

19. What are the general characteristics of primary angular momentum?
Answer Page 41
Primary angular momentum is a circumferential line (ligament circulatus) moving sideways, the onto have only two dimension of length. The curvature of Aether acts as a mold and imparts geometry to the onta. The ligament circulators moves in time, which means that the onn exist as a function of time between one moment and the next moment. Time is consequently, a component of onta. We could not perceive time and space with our bodies if our senses were not composed of primary angular momentum. Primary angular momentum is the first cause of physical perception, intimately related to the distributed frequency or resonance of the Aether. Because the ligament circulators moves perpendicular to its circumference, in order to scan an area (strong charge), the onta are not solid. They more closely resemble a cloud, as does the scanned area of a pencil moving back and forth in our vision. It is the scanning of primary angular momentum, which gives onta the appearances of a wave and a particle. Primary angular momentum explains why onta can appear as particles when we look at their strong charge, and can appear as waves when we look at the moving LC. Yet these are only appearances. The particulate and wave nature of primary angular momentum are illusions, having meaning only from our macro perspective. The reality of the onn structure is primary angular momentum and nothing else. Interestingly, photons can also appear as primary angular momentum, except that they are also exploding outward at the speed of light.

End of Chapter 2 Ontological Foundation SOTA third edition
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Hmmm

Postby Mikado14 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:50 pm

Mr. FM,

So that you may not go too far overboard, just remember that centrifugal is a psuedo force from observation within a rotational frame of reference. You have the reactive centrifugal force which is equal to the centripetal force, the force that an observer feels from within a rotational reference and then the classical mechanical description of inertia moving a body outward from a rotating axis. My advice is to stay with the first two and not the third, you will then be in keeping within a Physics framework and not be describing from a mechanics point of view.

Also, just remember that you are "ragging" to an individual that has written his own book so therefore you are at a disadvantage.

Good Luck,

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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Junglelord » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:54 pm

centrifugal is a psuedo force

Your talking of Newtonian physics I believe.
Angular Momentum is quantum spin.
Not even any relationship b/t the two.

Primary Angular Momentum
17. How can we best describe subatomic particles and Atoms?
Answer Page 40
Atoms are more like multilayered, discrete, shimmering clouds. Each layer contains proportionally enormous amounts of energy and shimmers at a different and precise electromagnetic frequency. Only when atoms interact with one another in large numbers do they behave as expected in their classical state, what scientists call the visible world. In APM these multilayered clouds are the angular momentum of individual onta. Since these onta are the smallest stable form of material existence, it is proper to the view the onta as primary angular momentum. When we take the literal dimension of primary angular momentum we find that there is a mass dimension, they are two length dimensions, and there is a frequency dimension. Expressed in terms of quantum measurements angular momentum is
h = m(e) x Lq^2 x Fq
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Mikado14 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:34 pm

centrifugal is a psuedo force


Mr. FM... I have searched your posts and cannot find the above quote anywhere within. Here is some food for thought. If the term is from Newtonian Physics, why is it being used in APM? And if it is different, why not call it by a different name?

I hope I am being of help here for you Mr. FM, I wouldn't want you to have anything but truth.

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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Radomir » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:03 am

Constance, she who is steadfast, unwavering...

CONSTANCE

Gender: Feminine

Usage: English, French

Pronounced: KAHN-stənts (English), kawn-STAWNS (French) [key]
Medieval form of CONSTANTIA. It was introduced to England by the Normans (it was the name of a daughter of William the Conqueror).


CONSTANTIA

Gender: Feminine

Usage: Late Roman
Feminine form of the Late Latin name Constantius, which was itself derived from Constans (see CONSTANT).



CONSTANT

Gender: Masculine

Usage: French, English (Rare)

Pronounced: KAHN-stənt (English) [key]
From the Late Latin name Constans, which meant "constant, steadfast". It was also used by the Puritans as a vocabulary name, from the English word constant.
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Linda Brown » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:46 pm

Radomir! Thank you! A word I understand!

A challenge for the some of you on the Forum!

I KNOW there are some of you out there who are watching this discussion between FM, JungleLord and Mikado and Skyfish and Kevin and others .... and I KNOW that you have thoughts on all of this and that you are well versed in your fields.... which are far beyond my understanding. PLEASE lend your voices to this ! We need to hear more from you because there is so much information being fronted here that it is hard for the rest of us to interpret all of this. Some help here please?

Though you know that I I cannot name you ... there is a fellow in Washington state right now who understands my meaning here and is well equiped to join the conversation with some wonderful and insightful remarks. To you Sir, I realize that using your real name might cause a stir but PLEASE join us here. We need you. My regards also to your family.

This subject wouldn't have bubbled to the surface and caused such a ripple on all of us if this discussion wasn't important for us to know more about.)

Ending my sentence with a preposition. A nono... thats the kind of thing I understand Mr. Radomir. So wonderful knowing that you are there also. My GREAT appreciation. Linda
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Junglelord » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:55 pm

Primary Angular Momentum is a quantum event.
APM does marry Newtonain Physics with Quantum Structure.
However, that does not mean that PAM is = to centrafugal.

PAM is quantum spin.
There is no comparison in Newtonian Physics.
Anyone who tries to state equality between the two is truly ignorant of what PAM is.
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Mikado14 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:19 pm

Hey Mr. FM,

I think you were just called ignorant. But I must admit that your spelling is much better.

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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Linda Brown » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:41 pm

Intellectual .......FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........ <G>

AND ANOTHER FINE MESS OLLIE. <g> LindA
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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Trickfox » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:20 pm

You are quite correct Linda, we know that Mikado is out there alone trying to keep some sort of STANDARD DEFINITION in the science so that we can all have a common language reference point. He knows that I'll personnaly back up anything he brings up in these forums. Mikado is definately the person I trust the most to represent the true understanding of Biefeld/Brown force and it's relationship with the misunderstanding of the so-called "coulomb force", however there is a element of Dr. Kitselman's math that we cannot even begin to broach here, because MOST of our readers are not classically educated in calculus, and first order logic.

Another issue is the fact that we have gone over these same issues OVER AND OVER AGAIN with several beginners and it seems many of our esteemed space cadets sometimes forget about reading past posts or searching the forum on a specific subject. They begin by proposing the work of several others and expanding upon theories which are little known and polemic in nature. They don't realize that it's THEIR opinions and ideas we seek, not their mentor's ideas. Good or Bad, pro or con, whatever needs to be said let it so be said without insult, condemnation, or ridicule.

There are others who would rather read everything and won't dare speak-up here and we understand why. It's because throughout these discordian ideas and sidetrack notions of science, we begin to learn what it is that we respect from each other's presence. We learn about those of us who are arrogant and self centered. Lord knows I have been that way myself. We learn about those of us who are humble and considerate, and willing to encourage us at every turn. Take our navigator for instance, haven't we all agreed how truely wise and wonderful our man from Cropedy is?

The truth is... our forum is not a scientific chat forum.... It a social club for admirers of the philosophy of wisdom.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to talk with anyone else in here. You just need to keep an open mind because this here is a Wabbit Hole into a parallel dimension, and if you are not ready to check your ego at the door,-all you end up doing is embarrassing yourself. I should know.... I've been there and done that :oops:

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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby FM No Static At All » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:54 pm

ig·no·rant Listen to the pronunciation of ignorant
Pronunciation:
\ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
Function:
adjective
Date:
14th century

1 a: destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society> ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2: unaware , uninformed
— ig·no·rant·ly adverb
— ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms ignorant , illiterate , unlettered , untutored , unlearned mean not having knowledge. ignorant may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. illiterate applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. unlettered implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. untutored may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. unlearned suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.


Some say ignorance is bliss
When investigating the hypotheses and theories of science, it is expected that mathematics and eventually, experimentation will prove or disprove the postulates. But how do we analyze a theory of everything? How do we marry the esoteric with the mundane? Can science and religion be merged in some fashion that it will appease both the cleric and the scientist?

When I stated that much science is hidden in religious texts, I was speaking from first-hand knowledge. I have and read the Kabbalah, not as a spiritual reference, but more as a historical account on the nature of creation. My unpublished manuscript which I call In The Beginning is an attempt on my part to unify the physical with the "spiritual" in such a way, that it not only offers a possibility, but awakens a sense of belonging to a greater whole than can even be imagined.

It is not uncommon for us to feel alone in the company of others, or perhaps insignificant in comparison to the vastness of the universe. I no longer feel alone, because I feel that I am a part of a greater whole, not only among the wonderful people that have touched my life or those that I have touched, but all living creatures. I feel we are all connected, always were and will always be.

For me, just knowing that I am connected to all of this (hands spread out wide) is so uplifting and joyous. Those that feel that I am ignorant surely do not know me well. I can be stubborn, I can be narrow focused, I can be rude and obnoxious when properly prompted. But ignorance is not part of who I am, nor is it part of the reality I choose to live in.

I have been reading about APM and the texts (blog posts) that Mr. Junglelord references. I am also familiar with Thunderbolts, and the Electric Universe, and have been saying for quite some time that in addition to heat and light, our Sun provides us with electricity, if we only can tap into it.

But to verbally attack me as being ignorant, because I do not wholehearted accept and support APM as THE new physics, leaves me to doubt the science you so vigorously defend will prove to be all that claim it is.

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Re: Gravity and Spin

Postby Junglelord » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:23 pm

Hey Mr. FM,

I think you were just called ignorant.
But I must admit that your spelling is much better.

Mikado

Think Again!
That was a great twist mikado, I was talking to you.
Your wrong again.
Mr Fm I was not replying to you in that context.

Direct proof of how context is everything.
How easy (and often) Mikado takes me out of context.
Then slings it around as his conclusion of what I am talking about
Or who I am even talking too.
:roll:

Man this forum is like walking on glass.
:lol:

PS Mr FM.
As far as I can tell, you and I agree.
So please continue.
Until I tell you I do not agree with you, do not take Mikados "word" for it.
we are on the same page as Kevin.
Maybe same ball park would be better.

Kevin and I are in totally agreement.
Or at least I agree with Kevin 100%.
Again context, so easy to misinterpet.
Not sure how much he agrees with me but I know we find a lot of common ground.

Mr Mikado, you are not on my wavelength, and please refain from "thinking" that you are.
Which does not mean I am smarter then you, it means we are not on the same wavelength.
For the enjoyment of the process, and since your a senior member, everyone knows what you think.
I assume you have taught them what you know. What is valid and what is garbage.
You claim to have the B/B in your grasp.
We could exchange thoughts on that.
Infact I would love to be your student in that regard.
Maybe over in the Questions Answered Thread, you could answer that one question.
The structure of space would be good too, since you posed the question.
I look forward to you replies.
I am sure you have something to teach me, you feel I have nothing to teach you.
That is the difference between us.


Since I am new, and seem to have a viewpoint that is not well known to many people in other forums,
and dispite many hours of reading forum threads, (for instance I read 14 pages of project pegasus last night)
I have yet to see my viewpoint disqualified in discussions that have been going on here.
So since in that Context, I offer information, I tend to get, "read the thread", "we have already
been there, done that", "bought the T shirt", you said concerning 137.

Well I could not possiblly read all the threads, yet I do not just throw stuff out there without first trying my best to see where the forum is now pointing. Yet some members just assume that I have read nothing. Or made a lame attempt before first posting. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Lets look at this the other way around please.
No where do you have a thread that pulls together the forum content, into a group concept.
Instead you expect people to read, much of it not direct thread material, and to somehow come to speed with the group.
Thats really odd.

Since your a senior member and on top of the whole history of the group, could you not do a Q&A like I did with APM?
I got flamed for that, ( an organized approach) yet this forum needs to do that.
It appears Linda realized that. I suspect from possiblly my APM thread, but that is a guess.

I am further guessing that the document has not been complied because the group has not come to a concensis of what is valid.

Therefore it would serve both the group and new members to create a document, like mine, that is a history lesson
and a model to help others to understand the science of Mr Brown and the fourms attempt to make it plain.
Even if it is only a partial framework of agreed points of importance.
Is that possible, has it been done? Would be interested in doing that?

Cheers
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Chubby Checker

Postby Mikado14 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:52 pm

Junglelord wrote:
Hey Mr. FM,

I think you were just called ignorant.
But I must admit that your spelling is much better.

Mikado

Think Again!
That was a great twist mikado, I was talking to you.
Your wrong again.
Mr Fm I was not replying to you in that context.

Direct proof of how context is everything.
How easy (and often) Mikado takes me out of context.
Then slings it around as his conclusion of what I am talking about
Or who I am even talking too.
:roll:

Man this forum is like walking on glass.


Remember this:

Junglelord wrote: I never lack proof, you lack rebuttal with proof.
Thats why I ignored you before and will now for ever more.
:lol:


I took you at your word that you were going to ignore me. So in that vein, who appears to be doing the twist?

Junglelord wrote:PS Mr FM.
As far as I can tell you and I agree.
So please continue.
Until I tell you I do not agree with you, do not take Mikados "word" for it.
we are on the same page as Kevin.
Maybe same ball park would be better.

Kevin and I are in totally agreement.
Or at least I agree with Kevin 100%.
Again context, so easy to misinterpet.
Not sure how much he agrees with me but I know we find a lot of common ground.

Mr Mikado, you are not on my wavelength, and please refain from "thinking" that you are.
For the enjoyment of the process, and since your a senior member, everyone knows what you think.
I assume you have taught them what you know.
You claim to have the B/B in your grasp.
We could exchange thoughts on that.
Infact I would love to be your student in that regard.
Maybe over in the Questions Answered Thread, you could answer that one question.
The structure of space would be good too, since you posed the question.
I look forward to you replies.
I am sure you have something to teach me, you feel I have nothing to teach you.
That is the difference between us.


You are jumping to conclusion young man. First of all, I never "claimed" to have the Biefeld-Brown effect in my grasp, that was Mr. Trickfox who said that. As to not being on your wavelength, again, you are wrong as I stated in another post that I do agree except there is no proof. I may not agree with everything you have said but then I HAVE experiments that may indicate otherwise on certain issues. Also, I never asked about the "Structure of Space" as I have explained again, in another post. If you were to review the forum and other past posts you will find that I have been greatly criticised for not teaching what I know. I refuse to teach that which I cannot prove and back up with experimentation, I could post my own postulations but then I believe that there are those that watch this forum and others.

As for taking my "word", I have never lied to anyone on this forum, only you have claimed that distinction upon me.

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