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Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:41 pm
I don't know if all of you have kept up with the development of the latest chapter Paul has put out ( Chapter 49 "MAN ON THE FLOOR) https://www.ttbrown.com/defying_gravity/49_ManOnFloor.html
(When I first saw that title I thought we were going directly back to my favorite hunk sitting on the floor after " having the crap beaten out of him" by Mr. O'Riley. ( I hope that new readers have figured out already that Mr. O'Riley in Pauls chapters is the same as our Mr. twigsnapper in our forum. One of the reasons that Paul I think seems to snap to attention whenever that gentleman offers advice on a post. Read just some of the contributions that Mr. Twigsnapper has provided and you will see that he truly deserves our regard and respect.) but back to the last chapter .....
So I thought the new chapter was going to be about Morgan sitting on the floor, being handed a cool washcloth by Mr. O'Riley who then sat down on the floor and told him that he had learned his first lesson "Never underestimate anyone." Man on the Floor. ( what else could it have been? )
But no, we learn about Linda Brown at her Junior College, enjoying the horses and the company of the other students and then sadly getting sick and ending up in the hospital. Apparently the story went that Morgan came to visit her and came up those stairs into "no mans land" just to visit her.
Now we all have apparently learned that during her illness she had apparently " arrested". Thats the word our Mr. Twigsnapper used when he dropped that information on Paul as Paul was writing that Chapter! And of course the interesting thing here to me is that Linda Brown has apparently NEVER BEEN TOLD THAT SHE HAD ACTUALLY DIED FOR A FEW MOMENTS.
Now. Think about that for a moment folks. Put yourself in her shoes. Her Father and Mother had never told her about that. Morgan apparently never told her . Mr. Twigsnapper hadn't told her ahead of time apparently. Thats just interesting to me that a veil would be that thick for that long.
And since this is the category where we are discussing the character of Townsend Brown I am opening this thread to find out what you all think. Was it right for her Dad to do that? Was it all part of " keeping secrets" that seems engrained in this type of life? Comments? Cause this is really interesting. Victoria
being near death
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:25 am
Yes it is traumatic to find out how close to death you came years after the incident. It happened to me also, and I now consider it as a social "Whip mark" on my back. Something which influences the way I value life.
summer of 1965
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:46 am
After reading the discussion about why Dr. Brown did not tell Linda about her experience at the hospital I thought I needed to go back to what it was like for Morgan that last visit that summer in Florida.
It ran in my memory that he had been pretty specifically told that his life and Lindas had to be kept separate. I know that there are newcomers to this forum so I thought it would be easier for you to grasp what was really happening if you had the chapter to catch up try this .......... https://www.ttbrown.com/defying_gravity/38_parallel.html
"Before the summer was over," Morgan said, â€œI was offered a job. I was shocked. The way it was outlined to me, I would be an â€˜international security agentâ€™ based out of Nassau, New York, Philadelphia, Boston and San Francisco. I was asked if that interested me. What, I was going to say, â€˜noâ€™ ? They gave me a chance to consider. And they said that the position was contingent upon my passing muster with somebody in Boston. Apparently he was going to be the last hurdle.
(Well that person in Boston turned out to be a man that Paul has given the name ORiley, and who goes by the name of twigsnapper on our forum here. He calls himself twigsnapper. I notice everyone else refers to him as "Mister" Twigsnapper! But apparently Morgan had passed muster that fall and while Linda was riding and enjoying her classmates he was maybe on the first rung of that "security agent job") It apparently was the dream of his life.)
Then Paul wrote this quote from Morgan which I thought was very revealing and perhaps another reason that her Dad never told Linda about her experience with near death at the hospital
"Dr. Brown encouraged me to accept the offer. He said I had the right temperament, the right mind for it, and that I was sorely needed. But he also said that it was something that only I could decide. Thatâ€™s why I would have so long, to either go in that direction â€” or not.
â€œAnd throughout it all, I continued to imagine how it was going to work with Linda. I couldnâ€™t see any reason why it couldnâ€™t work. I had this vision of me, going off for weeks at a time, doing my secret agent thing, and then, somehow, Linda was just going to be there, happy to see me come home. I didnâ€™t realize at the time how naÃ¯ve I was. I just could not fathom that â€œLinda needsâ€¦ not to knowâ€
Re: summer of 1965
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:51 pm
Mark Culpepper wrote:(So you see. If she had known that her heart had stopped momentarily I am sure thta she would have rearranged her priorities .... and there were just too many other plans in motion by then, apparently. to allow that to happen. Still, it had to be a tough call for her Father I think. Mark C
I don't totally agree but then that is one item that makes life so much fun. Diversity in thought. So many views, so many angles of observation.....so..........beautiful.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:05 pm
Mikado, You responded to Marks message that you did not totally agree with his assessment. Can you give us your differing view? Appreciated, as always. Elizabeth
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:39 pm
Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:Mikado, You responded to Marks message that you did not totally agree with his assessment. Can you give us your differing view? Appreciated, as always. Elizabeth
Mark's view is based upon some very good assumptions from looking at the overall picture.
Only Linda Brown can tell us how she would've reacted and that in and of itself will not be true because 40 years have passed and anything would be retrospective.
I cannot tell you anything for it would be like me trying to describe a beautiful sunset to a blind man. There are no words. It is the same, I can only give you words from a human point of view to describe something that is beyond.
It will come back to Linda, more than likely, armed with this new knowledge, and she will realize that those dreams she had at one time weren't really dreams.
I'll be here,
See "The Good Shepherd" thread
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:33 pm
I know our threads are getting crossed here, but a passage that Mark quoted here set me to thinking...
[quote="Mark Culpepper"]â€œAnd throughout it all, I continued to imagine how it was going to work with Linda. I couldnâ€™t see any reason why it couldnâ€™t work. I had this vision of me, going off for weeks at a time, doing my secret agent thing, and then, somehow, Linda was just going to be there, happy to see me come home. I didnâ€™t realize at the time how naÃ¯ve I was. I just could not fathom that â€œLinda needsâ€¦ not to knowâ€
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:24 pm
So the response is a little late,,,, almost two years later... but Paul ... what interested you in that statement? " Set you to thinking" ... what?
These were apparently Morgans words, quoted to you... restated by MarkC.
[quote="Mark Culpepper"]â€œAnd throughout it all, I continued to imagine how it was going to work with Linda. I couldnâ€™t see any reason why it couldnâ€™t work. I had this vision of me, going off for weeks at a time, doing my secret agent thing, and then, somehow, Linda was just going to be there, happy to see me come home. I didnâ€™t realize at the time how naÃ¯ve I was. I just could not fathom that â€œLinda needsâ€¦ not to knowâ€"
So I have focused in on Morgans words which he apparently shared with you at some point
" I just could not fathom that " Linda needed ... not to know"
And that sentence brought so many things home to me, most of them the memory of what I was as a young girl too, never really getting the concept of what was happening around me but at the same time being so powerfully influenced by forces totally beyond my control.
No, thats not really right. I did have choices. Its just interesting to me how my choices always seemed so consistant. Morgan on one side, I THOUGHT, Dads work on the other .... as far as I was concerned. I had no idea for so many years that " Morgans work" and " Dads work" were the same. Odd.
But that phrase " She NEEDS not to know" comes back to haunt me too I guess. Some forty plus years later. What would have happened if I had enjoyed the full knowledge of what was happening then? I am not sure that I could have handled it. Its taken years to absorb, but even if I had ... what, I wonder would my choices actually have been? Its almost as if I was " sidelined" for some reason. I NEEDED I guess, to go on .... find a husband, start a family, live a life apart. But why I have wondered was that BETTER than what I would have chosen as a young girl so in love at the time? I would never trade what I have now... understand ... because I have had a wonderful life .... but I do wonder why that was considered so much better than what I might have chosen if I had been better informed when I was nineteen, twenty?
Another one of those before dawn hummmm moments.
Anybody have thoughts on this, as Mr. Twigsnapper might just say,,,, " I'm all ears!". <g> Linda
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:28 pm
"Linda needs not to know"
I have pondered upon that several times, especially if they were travelling in time?
This book would never have occured, IF you had known, You would possibly have been entwined into the system ?
You didn't KNOW, so therefore have lived the TIME You have, the TIME if you had known may have been different and well for one thing there may be far less happy yorkies in the world?
The consequences of one butterfly flapping it's wings in a time it wasn't meant to be there could be enormous.
I view Your father and Morgan as possibly alchemists of a high vibrational rate, we all may eventually attain that condition, but in a downward spiral of the last thirteen thousand years, there may only have been a very small band of such people.
Memory is what is involved,imo, David has started a good thread on,
On memory, i do not consider that anyone dies, it's all cyclic, as is time and all of universe in scale, but some may remember better than others, thus they appear as geniuses, able to demonstrate what your father and morgan appear to have been able to do.
with that will come all the knowledge of the consequences of TIME, and anyone interferring with such, and also the most amazing responsibility to maintain and not interfere, except to achieve whatever does occur, perhaps?
Elephants are said to have brilliant memories, so if mr twigsnapper uses the I am all ears saying, perhaps he too has a lot of memory, of TIME, he is clearly not Dumbo.
The burden and responsibilty must be crushing, and only those with total or vast recall of time may be able to handle such, you needed not to KNOW, to protect You from such pressure, imo, a father would do anything possible to ensure his daughters happiness and safety, as would any man that has truely LOVED a woman, I sense you have had such people around You, still have.
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:03 pm
and I am still so very honored to be in your company too Navigator. Thankyou. Linda
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:33 pm
I am certain I can talk for all upon here, and say that the honour is ours to be helping yourself.
You are clearly a chip off a block of real class, the product of both your parents, who must be ever so proud.
To further explain the need for you not to know, I would turn to your loved horses.
If you really loved a horse, would you saddle that horse , and steer it into a battle where bullets would fly into that horse?
would you really love the horse if you did that?
Or would you set the horse free, allow it to roam free , and turn then youself to face the bullets, that is what a man that truly loved his horse would do, imho, not enslave it into death.
The horse of course, will feel rejected, and be confused, but eventually it will realise that it was really loved, truly loved above its masters life.
I'm singing the mr Ed song now because i said of course, as i am talking about a horse , of course.
Re: Dr. Browns secrets -She NEED not know
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:43 am
You ask this question but I think you already know the answer. Look at your mom, Josephine. She DID know and was part of the system and look how her heart was broken as her husband left for weeks and months at a time. That's hard. Maybe your mom was the one that told her husband that she NEED not know? Maybe she knew how Morgan would break your heart as your dad broke your mom's heart.
Linda, you didn't even know until Paul starting writing the book that your parents were divorced. Your mom was probably a young, impetuous youth and headstrong about things. This is pure speculation from what I picked up in the book and forum. But look how it affected her. Maybe your mom spared your from that pain. All things worked together for good.
Gotta run to work.
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:02 pm
There were obviously various forces at play in your father’s life. Who knows why they chose not to tell you about your near-death experience. But now you do know, at a time when there is so much good information about NDEs. That’s why I thought Mikado was being presumptuous asking me to take the time to write about that experience, when there are so many good and essentially similar accounts widely available. Now I understand better, after reading his recent dark testament. Still, there are numerous evidential, cross-corresponding, and inspiring NDE testimonies available on the web, along with persuasive confirmations by veteran scientists assessing the whole scope of the phenomenon. Interestingly, Dr. Kenneth Ring has made a connection between NDEs and certain types of UFO related contact experiences. I agree. Again, the interdimensional connection bubbles up.
At the level of fundamental classified security concerns though, the “need to know” matter becomes paramount and has excluded even a ranking senator and presidents from certain information. I encountered that with your father. While he was amazingly candid and informative regarding matters I was already partially or essentially aware of, he would not discuss details for security reasons. He told me that, as a preface to our day-long dialogue. To behave otherwise was not only a violation of confidences and oaths, but could be dangerous for all concerned. But the information he did give me provided some of the clues that allowed me to know what the deeper agenda at the O-C Ranch gathering, which you attended, had been.
All in good time, as goes the saying -- to which I believe your father also subscribed.
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:06 pm
The only thing I can add to this discussion in reference to your question, Linda is that recently I was thanked by someone for being the sort of person who was willing to know, think about, and take action on things in this world which are generally difficult for that individual to consider.
It was an odd conversation for me because while I recognize the need to live with a certain level of certainty and stability in one's life, I'm also apparently the type of person who would rather attempt to know reality insofar as it is feasible. While I am conscious that this is in some sense a "choice" I make every day, it does not feel like a choice, it feels essential to my being. It is at that level where I resonate with Morgan's mention of seeing foreign soil under his boots some day, and what that meant for his "choices" in the future. It is a sense of role that is almost pre-assigned, cyclical, generational.
In my opinion, there is more to the dynamic of "she needs not to know" than "just" protecting you from the risks or dangers such knowledge might subject you to, as important as that would be to a father. I agree with what was mentioned above that it may have been a matter of timing, or roles/character, there were other things it was important for you to do--then and later--that you could not do if you had been inducted into that circle of knowledge. That you might now be prevented from doing if you had.
[added on edit:] There is of course the type of person who would do anything to avoid knowledge that would rock their boat, change their perspective or worldview, for any variety of reasons (stubborn, wed to certain dogma, too intellectually or emotionally fragile). Knowing what we know of your character, I would not in any way put you in those categories, which is what makes it most likely there were other, good reason(s) for "she needs not to know."
Re: Dr. Browns secrets
Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:15 am
Always insightful posts... and this also
"I agree with what was mentioned above that it may have been a matter of timing, or roles/character, there were other things it was important for you to do--then and later--that you could not do if you had been inducted into that circle of knowledge. That you might now be prevented from doing if you had.
It might be quite shocking actually to see what Linda might have found in her path, things important which ONLY she would be able to accomplish, things in fact rendered impossible if she had veered off course earlier in her life. Certainly she would never have been able to assist Paul in the story he is writing now if she too had disappeared behind that veil of black. Certainly not be able also to interact with discussions which would only have come into thier own AFTER Paul was able to write his book.
As we all know ... some things are meant to take their own time and be in their own sequence. How much of all that has she perhaps ALWAYS KNOWN while her father was busy keeping her safe? Just a musing question here. Morgan was always busy showing you the way Linda, but you and I know that most of the time.... you were there first.
DOD? From Maryland? Friends dear, don't fret. twigsnapper