Chapter 67 (Sidebar): Flying Saucers in the Bible

[grinder]

Mark,

Great idea. You know how it is. Two people can see the same situation completely differently and what has been served here is a very good rendering of Pauls version ( which after all is his right Its his book) but just out of curiosity I wonder too how differently Linda might have written it. fter all she knew both of the people involved in the conversation intimately. Her version is bound to be different, don't you think? Would you ask her for us Paul? grinder

[Paul S.]

I thought of this as I was reading your words Paul and I did realize that the conversation did in fact sound alot like you. Which is impossible to NOT do. But I wondered how much closer to sounding like Townsend Brown that chapter might be if it was written by his daughter. You said you were sort of breaking the rules here. Can we break just one more? MarkC

I think you are entirely right, Mark, that the 'voice' in that chapter is probably more 'mine' than Dr. Brown's. In part because I never met the man nor had a chance to hear the rhythms in his speech. But I do know from talking with Linda over the years that the sentiments expressed are consistent with both his outlook and hers. In fact, it was she that introduced me to Rev. Dowling's book, from which a couple of the specific references were drawn.

As for your challenge, well, that's not really up to me, now, is it. I'd be as intrigued to see what Linda herself would come up with as you would be. So I'll run it by her and see if she takes the bait (long as we're talking about fishes...)

--PS

[Paul S.]

(As Jodie Foster said in Mel Gibson's 'Maverick'), "I think that was pretty fast..."

Linda says she will be happy to take the "Culpepper Challenge" over the weekend and perhaps have her take on the topic of Chapter 67 first part of next week.

Gee, does that get me off the hook for doing another chapter next week?

Didn't actually think so...<g>

--PS

[Trickfox]

I've been waiting to use this image for a while:




Actually that clip is suppose to be humor, but I suppose there is a cultural gap here. I'm living in a French society right now and the issue of sex is out in the open. Pornography is on regular TV up here, and sexuality is often used as humor.
Many of the American social values originate from Queen Elizabeth and Victoria from England. I appreciate these moral values myself because I understand the pride of this issue.
I apologize for having tried to use the issue in humor, and Flow is correct about the point I was making.
Besides I prefer the DEVO youtube "Peek-a-boo" a whole lot better.

Do you think anyone can figure out how the song and the movie "eyes wide shut" can be related somehow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPzzvcYYugE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67MzafLdtXg
Free ice cream dish for the person who can give me the answer.

Trickfox

[kevin.b]

Picture the scene.
In my shop this afternoon, me having been mysteriously cut-off from the internet for several days.
Two friends arrive, one a devout bible basher, the other a jew from Israel.
The subject of the bible arises straight away, out comes one of my old bibles , a nice old one with hebrew in the margins.
Me , I keep trying to say its all electrical and written about real events.
My bible bashing believer , saying it's the actual words of G-d
My Jewish friend puzzled as I said what the hebrew translation was before she could say it.

We flip from old to new , as if in a time machine, always coming across references to miracles, me explaining them as electrical.
My bible bashing friend smiling , and saying no it is G-d's work, my jewish friend becoming ever more lost.

I arrive home , to find the internet again connected and this chapter posted, of course its all electrical.
Or is it?
Coincidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_UILNwWrc
Kevin

[Paul S.]

(that's one of the songs in "A Mighty Wind", btw...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH15bwH7n8s

my jewish friend becoming ever more lost.

You know, it's no accident we spent 40 years wandering around in the desert. If it hadn't been for that pillar of fire and cloud, we'd still be out there looking for the promised land (we also don't stop and ask for directions).

--PS

[flowperson]

Mikado...With the light indeed.

While my post concerned the phenomenon of "lucid dreaming", ie. being able to control and direct one's dreams, I was also suggesting in the direction of meditation, brain function, and spiritual growth. BTW "lucid dreaming" is a serious academic research pursuit at Stanford especially.

As far as the meditation/brain function aspects are concerned, here are a couple of items that may show you a way to follow the clues. The Dalai Lama is quite the dude. I heard him speak once at a gathering in Chicago. Very inspirational. Wonder if he's still got the gold watch we gave him in the 40's

http://www.news.wisc.edu/6205

http://www.trjobs.com/Biztech/13453/?a=f

Trickfox...I actually thought the clip was quite hilarious, but then that's me. But the devolutional aspect of it hit me almost immediately. In my last job, I saw it up close and personal almost every night that I worked.

Loved yer cartoon apology. If you haven't tuned in to it yet, you should access the Harry Shearer weekly podcast called Le Show, out of KCRW in Santa Monica. It's also free and available thru the Apple store. It's a very subversive satire on the news of the week and he always has a segment on the apologies of the week...hilarious. He also does the voice of Mr. Burns on The Simpsons.

Kevin..Caught in the middle again, huh ? Missed you though...but then for some of us there are no coincidences, eh ? A lady Jew and an agressive Bible thumper. I'd sure like to see a tape of that discussion.

Paul...Re-watched Raiders of the Lost Ark Yesterday, and I'm in the middle of Back to the Future today. Loved the first scene where McFly blew out Doc Brown's giant speaker with a guitar riff. I wonder if Martin Decker ever saw the movie, and what did/does Linda B think of the references to her Dad's work in the film. 1.21 jigawatts indeed !

flow....

[Victoria Steele]

OK now I am going to bug you for Lindas version big time. Can't wait to compare the two!
And no ..... you were right. Not off the hook! Victoria

[Mark Culpepper]

Thank Linda for me Paul for accepting the " Culpepper Challenge" I really do appreciate the effort that she seems to be willing to do that. I have to admit I am looking forward to seeing what her view of that situation was and how she renders it in print. She kept a journal for years apparently and it will be interesting to see what her style is like.

Linda please know .... no grades here just a large amount of appreciation! And as always my great admiration!

Lisa wants to know if you still ride? She is doing well and she and Blinker are making quite a team! And that she is keeping a journal too centered around her efforts on the biography she is writing about her grandfather. MarkC

[twigsnapper]

I am finding it odd that one section of this forum has decided to talk about "dreams" ( in their various forms) and the other is busy talking about " Flying Saucers and the Bible" so I thought that I would just drop in here with tidbit of interesting information.

The reason Linda Brown knew about Reverend Downing was that she had contacted him I believe in the nineties. She had experienced a very specific dream about his work! When she contacted him by phone he was rather astonished that anyone would go to such an effort to reach him, especially over a dream. His book had been out for over thirty years by then and I don't think it had generated the response from the public that he hoped it would. He made an odd statement to her. He told her that he had actually been waiting for her phone call!

Now all of this happened years before Paul was inspired to involve himself in this project but it does seem odd, as I said, that dreams and Flying Saucers and the Bible are again forming what seems to be a huge bubble, heading for the surface. Lindas dream had been about a giant whale ..... Paul might tell you all about it someday. In fact I believe he has a copy of the letter that Dr. Downing sent to Linda after their conversation. Paul, is it handy because I think the forum would find it interesting.

I hope that when someone contacts Reverend Downing again that he might just remember that interaction. I have a feeling that he will remember Linda. When that Lady reaches out to someone they generally remember. He wrote that very special letter to her after their phone conversation and ended his letter with this sort of "star wars salute" ......MAY THE WHALE BE WITH YOU.

Reverend Downing. So, do you remember?

and a last note regarding what a "pillar in the sky" might look like. Try this. Also note the reference to Dr. Downing at the end of the article. What do you know, two birds, one stone.

http://www.uforc.com/religion/AF-journa ... E_p54.html
twigsnapper

[flowperson]

Well yes, Mr. Twigsnapper. Dr. Jung would have reveled in the synchronicity going on here.

First, I, and others I interact with on forums elsewhere, are firmly convinced that we are spiritual beings having a human experience, while it is probably safe to say that the majority of human beings view themselves as only that who only occasionally have spiritual experiences. Remember that the first explicit dream experience related in Genesis is that of Joseph, who possessed a coat of many colors (there's that rainbow thingy again). He interpreted Pharoh's dreams and earned a place of honor in Egyptian society. The strict interpretation of the meaning of the name Joseph is, "one who is added".

Second, if we were spiritual beings who in part reflect the essence of our Creator(s), dreams might be the logical way to communicate with us from "otherworldly places" en masse in order to motivate long-term change for the better within our societies.

Third, funny that you, Linda, and the Rev. would bring whales into the scenario. Ahab, of course, wasted his life chasing Melville's "white whale", Moby Dick, in futility unto Ahab's death. Literary critics generally agree that the whale is a metaphor to represent G-d and the inestimable powers of nature. Anyone seeking spiritual explanations as to what is really going on in our lives would likely succumb to Ahab's fate eventually. And therein lies the lesson of life.

Yes, gateways and portals to otherness where we might least expect them, in the middle of the air where columns of cloud and fire dwell. Very Spielbergian...eh ? I'm sure that such portals exist underwater also for "cheshire cats" to exploit.

Speaking of whales there has been an out-of-the-ordinary gathering of Blue Whales off of Los Angeles this summer. They usually feed much farther north. And I believe that they are paying dearly for their change in habits. It might be best for the Navy to cease and desist for a spell from flooding the undersea coastal zones with the output of their submarine signalling systems. If we insist upon living in disharmony with Mother Nature, she tends to deharmonize our existences within her in surprising ways.

flow.... http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... home-local

[Langley]

[quote="Griffin"]Langley,

Yes, you’re on to something here. I was going to post on this subject eventually, but now is a good time. I’ll speak from my personal experience as a long time practitioner of Chinese qigong (also written as chi gung and pronounced chee gung; the Pinyin system uses the Roman letter “qâ€

[Griffin]

Just free-associating with images here, folks… A giant whale, floating in the sea but able to surface and experience the air environment as well, in common with “flying fishâ€

[Griffin]

You’re quite welcome, Langley. May the Force-Chi/Qi-Prana-Ki-Mana-Sidereal Radiation be with you. It’s real, you know.

Because the metaphysical has power. That’s why the true martial arts and qigong masters in China carefully guarded their secrets.

Oppy was well versed in the lore of India, as reflected in his apt quote from the Bhagavad Gita. Such a shame that he was purged when the split occurred and he was on the losing side.

As ever,

Griffin

[Griffin]

Incidentally, the mother ship observed above the Adamski Encounter site was reportedly surrounded by military jet aircraft before "winking out" and disappearing. Hyper-acceleration or...?

As ever,

Griffin