Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:20 am

FM,
Great post! The part about us being linked to creation through consciousness is exactly what the ancients say very clearly in the upanishads. The source of that material is thousands and thousands of years old. How did they become so wise?

Just found this!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mikado, AM you guys too! This is right smack in the middle of what we have been talking about!!! Talk about synchronicity!!!!!

The quality of time!!!

The predictions are based on a lower-dimensional view of spacetime: two spatial dimensions, plus time. Spacetime would be a plane of waves, travelling at the speed of light. The fundamental fuzziness of the waves, on the order of the Planck length and time, could be amplified in large systems such as gravitational-wave detectors. The third spatial dimension of the macroscopic world would be encoded in information contained in the two-dimensional waves. "It's as if, in the real world, we are living inside a hologram," says Hogan. "The illusion is almost perfect. You really need a machine like GEO600 to see it."

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081110/ ... .1217.html
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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:30 am

They are linking time and grvity? Right?

time=gravity

Who said that????

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081110/ ... .1217.html


a big step towards a verifiable quantum theory of gravity, a long-sought unification of quantum mechanics (the physics of the very small) with general relativity (the physics of the very big)

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:31 am

It is happening as we read this! Now is the time.

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:19 am

OH Boy! Here we go again. This has saved me so much money on therapy! The gate is open and the horse is heading for the hills!!!

Paul, this is all your fault!!! lol

Planck's constant: Planck's constant is a fundamental parameter in quantum mechanics. It determines the size of the discrete units or energy, mass, spin, etc. into which the microscopic world is partitioned. Its value is 1.05 x 10-27 grams-cm/sec.

Mikado,
So, plancks constant, as a quantifier of time, is the unit of measurement that would have to be involved in the equation that determines the amount of energy in the aether. I was just thinking about that very posssibility a couple of hours before I found this article!!!!! How many plancks constants are there in all of time?!?!?!? That is the question!!!! lol
Right?

OK....it keeps coming....

it would be that total planck time value(all of time...whatever that is!!!) times the energy available in the zpf field at that moment (TIME ENERGY...T), and e=mc^2 would represent the energy in relative space at that moment(SPACE ENERGY....S)

E=ST

That is saying the totality of the universe is all of space and time....and that seems so simply true.

I like to keep it as simple as possible!!!

It is a really volume equation that represents an energy value....like this...

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q ... a=N&tab=wi

So that equation would give us the energy available in that light cone!!!

Excuse me while I climb down from the ceiling!

The frequency of time? Gravity pulses that match plancks constant....the FUZZINESS of time! That makes it sound so cute! lol

But also the frequency of gravity???

That does suggest the unifaction we were talking about does it not? This would be verification of the levels of energy we were talking about also.

Synchronicity!

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby htmagic » Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:29 am

skyfish wrote:<SNIP>
Planck's constant: Planck's constant is a fundamental parameter in quantum mechanics. It determines the size of the discrete units or energy, mass, spin, etc. into which the microscopic world is partitioned. Its value is 1.05 x 10-27 grams-cm/sec.

Mikado,
So, plancks constant, as a quantifier of time, is the unit of measurement that would have to be involved in the equation that determines the amount of energy in the aether. I was just thinking about that very posssibility a couple of hours before I found this article!!!!! How many plancks constants are there in all of time?!?!?!? That is the question!!!! lol
Right?

OK....it keeps coming....

it would be that total planck time value(all of time...whatever that is!!!) times the energy available in the zpf field at that moment (TIME ENERGY...T), and e=mc^2 would represent the energy in relative space at that moment(SPACE ENERGY....S)

E=ST

That is saying the totality of the universe is all of space and time....and that seems so simply true.

I like to keep it as simple as possible!!!

It is a really volume equation that represents an energy value....like this...

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q ... a=N&tab=wi

So that equation would give us the energy available in that light cone!!!

Excuse me while I climb down from the ceiling!

The frequency of time? Gravity pulses that match plancks constant....the FUZZINESS of time! That makes it sound so cute! lol

But also the frequency of gravity???

That does suggest the unifaction we were talking about does it not? This would be verification of the levels of energy we were talking about also.

Synchronicity!

skyfish

Mr. Skyfish,

Swim over here and look at this which was in the link you posted.
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The first equation determines the wavelength, lambda. The second is the frequency. h = Planck's constant. m = mass c = speed of light v = velocity

Mikado was trying to show you how the units fit. It's called dimensional analysis. Once the units cancel out on both sides, you can rest assured that the equation has a solution. Make sure everything is in the right units. It is interesting to note that Dr. Brown was using cgs units rather than the standard (British) units we use here: foot, pound, seconds vs centimeter (cm), gram (g, not to be confused with gravity), and seconds (cgs). I saw this in his second notebook and I'm not sure if he used it in his first notebook. Does anyone know?

So once you have the mass figured out along with the velocity, you can calculate the wavelength or frequency. Now Dr. Brown was using lead spheres initially but later on I believe he was using his loudspeaker. But the loudspeaker he was working on too big to fit in a shortwave receiver.

Elsewhere in the forum we talked about an antenna that was built into a periscope lens. I believe this may have been a planar antenna that was also talked about. Maybe it was an early fractal antenna as they both have similarities. I would like to get the frequency right for the downloads. But it would be really cool with 2 way communications.

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:25 am

Magic,
I do not remember Mikado showing me anything on dimensional analysis. I was referring to the article about the fuzziness of time. That links gravity and time.
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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:19 am

I will try to clarify.
The article about fuzzy time indicates that time has a frequency in the aether of 1 plank constant...and this was detected while
searching for gravity waves.
This implys that gravity and time are manifestations of the aether and connected in the aether.
It is also the first such evidence of the true value of the constant. That IS new.
That makes a unit of time relative to the measurement of gravity also.
That is relative to the energy in the zpf...the aether.
I am trying to draw the relationships between gravity, time and the aether and quantify it
in terms of energy in relationship to planck constants.
That's all.

One obvious difficulty with this association is that the zero-point energy of the vacuum is absurdly large. Naively, it is infinite, but one must argue that new physics takes over at the Planck scale, and so its growth is cut off at that point. Even so, what remains is so large that it would visibly bend space, and thus, there seems to be a contradiction. There is no easy way out, and reconciling the seemingly huge zero-point energy of space with the observed zero or small cosmological constant has become one of the important problems in theoretical physics, and has become a criterion by which to judge a candidate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby htmagic » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:22 am

skyfish wrote:Magic,
I do not remember Mikado showing me anything on dimensional analysis. I was referring to the article about the fuzziness of time. That links gravity and time.
skyfish

Skyfish,

Dimensional analysis looks at the units only. Once the units cancel on each side, the equation has a solution. He didn't say dimensional analysis but this is what was implied. If you don't understand this, this will hopefully clear it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby Mikado14 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:47 pm

twigsnapper wrote:Skyfish,

truer words were never spoken, no matter who said them!
"If you grab the tail, you get the whole cat!"

And the thing is, once you have grabbed the cats tail ( Mikado, you listening?) You had better danged well not let go until the matter is resolved. <g> twigsnapper


Mr. Twigsnapper,

I wanted to post yesterday but it was a long day. First of all, you are a veteran, as I, and wanted to thank you and I wish you to thank those in your backyard as well, those there and those not. I remember there was a time that the military was not looked upon in a rosy view. An incident in the Atlanta airport in '72 comes to mind. And to anyone else on this forum and to those lurkers who are veterans I extend a thank you as well.

Now, cats. I won't go into detail....Sir....but I would like your orneryness <g> to understand that the cat is a Tom, a mean spirited and temperamental SOB with claws but like an addict, I can't let go. However, there are times I wonder if the tail is only in my mind and what I am holding is the tail of a Lynx.

Best to you

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby Mikado14 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:55 pm

skyfish wrote:Magic,
I do not remember Mikado showing me anything on dimensional analysis. I was referring to the article about the fuzziness of time. That links gravity and time.
skyfish


Mr. skyfish,

Let me refresh your memory:

Mikado wrote:These factors don't normally go together for in essence you have Energy = Space X Time which could on first blush be similar to E = m c<2, in that Mass can be either viewed as density or a volume in a given area and that velocity has time has a unit within it and this can be considered a Force equation and is very similar to Newton's F = 1/2 m v<2 and Lorentz is needed in between. I suppose I am asking here how you derived and extrapolated your original equation. and what are the unit of measurement for each, "e", "s" and "t"?


If you are developing mathematical relationships, those relationships have units. In the long form, "units of measurement" which as Mr. Magic has pointed out is dimensional analysis.

Mikado

***edit - bad day for spelling, had to change dimension before Kim caught it.
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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby skyfish » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:18 pm

Mikado, Magic,
OK...does that help explain the relatinship between gravity and time? With the evidence in the article about fuzzy time, it shows a clear connection berween time and grvity.
Time and gravity, linked in the aether, would represent a real energy value.
The article shows that time is not just a measure of time but a measure of gravity too and a unit of energy.
Are you saying that dimensional analysis can provide values for these?
Wouldn't that be linking these value in a way never done?
Time and graity having a mathematical relationship?
If dimensional analysis is that method, could you please show me how?
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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby greggvizza » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:19 pm

Time is movment. Aether movment(flow) causes gravity.

Not saying that I am right. Just an alternate viewpoint.

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby Mikado14 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:08 pm

skyfish wrote:Mikado, Magic,
OK...does that help explain the relatinship between gravity and time? With the evidence in the article about fuzzy time, it shows a clear connection berween time and grvity.
Time and gravity, linked in the aether, would represent a real energy value.
The article shows that time is not just a measure of time but a measure of gravity too and a unit of energy.
Are you saying that dimensional analysis can provide values for these?
Wouldn't that be linking these value in a way never done?
Time and graity having a mathematical relationship?
If dimensional analysis is that method, could you please show me how?
skyfish


This is why you and I will never see eye to eye and I am exasperated enough to admit it. I asked some simple questions and you come back with more questions for me. At what point is it that somebody will start to answer? I am through asking to attempt an understanding of all the ramblings taking place. Regardless of what "natecull" mentioned in a different thread. Postulate away and prove nothing but that is not what I am about. I apologize if you do not understand me but that is probably both our loss. If you do not see that units of measurement are used in any formula than all one is doing is pushing numbers from one side of the equal sign to the other and those numbers are representative of nothing of any value.

I can't build on nothingness. I can only build on equations that have units tied to the numbers for that is part of the language of an equation even simple ratios interpret into quantities of something.

I wish you the best in your quest.

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Re: Thomas Townsend Brown Effect

Postby htmagic » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:45 pm

skyfish wrote:http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081110/full/news.2008.1217.html
time=gravity

Skyfish,

Mikado is right. If the measurement units on the one side don't cancel the measurement units on the other side, then the equation is bogus and cannot be solved.

Now the equations I showed before in the image are correct because the units do cancel. Now I did visit your link. I'd appreciate it if you visited ours. The most interesting thing in the link I found was this:
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081110/full/news.2008.1217.html wrote: Hocus pocus

Of course, theorists are full of extraordinary ideas that never pan out, so physicists at GEO600 are treating Hogan's ideas with a healthy dose of scepticism. "To me as an experimentalist, this all seems a bit like black magic," says Karsten Danzmann, principal investigator for GEO600, and director of the Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics. "It seems a bit far-fetched and artificial. But if it's true, it's Nobel-prize-winning stuff."

Hogan says that the noise could be responsible for about 70% of some unaccounted for noise that GEO600 is recording. Danzmann says it's "intriguing" that this noise just happens to be the right magnitude and shape to account for most of the 'mystery' noise that his team has been unable identify for a year now.


Now the most interesting experiment would be to take one of Dr. Brown's rocks he was recording the sidereal transmissions and correlate it to this mystery signal they are discovering. If they matched, it would be just another way to do the same thing. Although rocks are environmentally friendly (unless they are raining on your head!) and they are a LOT cheaper than the expensive European laboratory! :)

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