NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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greggvizza wrote:I read the link but am not totally clear on what it is that they are describing. Maybe using the diode as an avalanche device could be considered switching. That is what the link seemed to be implying.

GV
Gregg,

I checked the link. So I highlighted the title and searched again in the DTIC site and found this:
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2005/paper6.pdf

The jitter is what we would call "noise" and relates to tuned circuits and phase locked loops (PLL). There's a bunch of math for Trickfox to enjoy and calculus to wade through. But I do not know how this really applies unless you use like a PLL to synchronize different transceivers.

Linda, don't feel bad because you didn't get a good education. Now you don't have to be "retaught." :wink:
Moving around as you did probably gave you more common sense and street smarts than the rest of us combined!
That is interesting about the diode as a switch. I do not believe I have ever heard it referred to this way before.

Linda, picture one of those desktop executive toys with the swinging balls, like this:
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You probably played with one as they teach physics. Lift the first ball and let go and it will collide with the balls at rest and eject the last ball out at the other end. Lift two balls and let go, the other two will eject out the other end. Simple action/reaction collision physics of inelastic materials. Well, as I understand it, a tunnel diode works the same way with electrons. One electron enters the diode and an another is ejected instantaneously, and faster than the normal speed of an electron. I was taught metals are a "sea of electrons" and charge could be passed along from electron to electron. The atoms and "stuff" slow down the flow of electrons and this resistance normally produces heat.

But in tunneling, the electron enters one end and instantaneously comes out the other end. Is it the same electron? Who can tell? If it is the same electron then it would appear that the electron is traveling faster than normal speed and the speed of light which is impossible based on current theories. Or it could be a FTM type thing going on here. Maybe the FTM works by "tunneling" and it really is a wormhole? I do not know and it is speculation but the swinging balls concept was the easiest way for me to understand tunneling.

Hope that helps!
(Oh boy, here comes the comments, sigh!)

MagicBill
P.S. I read back and see Mikado had a really good technical discussion. I just had to be less technical for the rest of us! :)
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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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greggvizza wrote:I read the link but am not totally clear on what it is that they are describing. Maybe using the diode as an avalanche device could be considered switching. That is what the link seemed to be implying.

GV
Avalanching I always thought was the current flow produced in a reverse bias state and the property that a Zener exhibits is referred to as "avalanching". I would have to look it up but you now what Gregg? I feel lazy today....<g>


Magic wrote:The jitter is what we would call "noise" and relates to tuned circuits and phase locked loops (PLL). There's a bunch of math for Trickfox to enjoy and calculus to wade through. But I do not know how this really applies unless you use like a PLL to synchronize different transceivers.

Bill....there is noise in digital circuits as well and does not necessarily mean it relates to tuned circuits and PLL only. Maybe you need to rephrase.


Magic wrote: One electron enters the diode and an another is ejected instantaneously, and faster than the normal speed of an electron.

The same occurrs in a wire, when one enters one end of a wire another immediately leaves the other end. One other item, and I could be wrong but I know of no component that will cause an electron to exceed it's speed limit.


Magic wrote:But in tunneling, the electron enters one end and instantaneously comes out the other end. Is it the same electron? Who can tell? If it is the same electron then it would appear that the electron is traveling faster than normal speed and the speed of light which is impossible based on current theories. Or it could be a FTM type thing going on here. Maybe the FTM works by "tunneling" and it really is a wormhole? I do not know and it is speculation but the swinging balls concept was the easiest way for me to understand tunneling.
Some of what you say is going somewhere that this angel is not going to tread upon....<g> but, the term tunneling is referring to how the electron is moving from one side of the barrier to the other side in the junction and nothing to do with how fast it is moving. As to the speed of an electron in a conductor, your car can go faster.


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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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Mikado,

i am trying to wrap my mind around the tunneling concept. We do not understand all the mysteries of the atom and our theories may be just that, theories. I have heard of the quantum theory and other ways to explain this but I'm not so sure if I have it right in my mind. Yes, you are right, I meant at the barrier the electron passes the barrier and is ejected. But isn't this faster than normal? That is the part I'm trying to understand.

In spintronics, electrons are theorized to have a plus (+) or negative (-) spin. We used to use up and down arrows in chemistry class. Now does a tunnel diode only pass the positive (+) spins but not the negative (-) spins? Or does it pass both and why?

So if I understood your technical discussion, you said:
Switching time is generally described as how fast a diode can go from the conduction state to the cut off state.
Is this analogous to the quench time for a spark gap in a Tesla coil? In other words, how fast you can turn off or quench the spark? Now I was going to ask you if you could make an oscillator using a tunnel diode and I see you can. I also learned that they are sensitive to radiation. Which makes sense as diodes are used as detectors in radio frequencies. But are they sensitive to gravimetric radiation as well? :?

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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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Mikado14 wrote:
greggvizza wrote:I read the link but am not totally clear on what it is that they are describing. Maybe using the diode as an avalanche device could be considered switching. That is what the link seemed to be implying.

GV
Avalanching I always thought was the current flow produced in a reverse bias state and the property that a Zener exhibits is referred to as "avalanching". I would have to look it up but you know what Gregg? I feel lazy today....
Feel free to stay relaxed. No point in looking up avalanching. I was forcing something, anything at all, to be a switch, where there was no switch.

After I read Linda’s post this morning from IEEE Spectrum, what be came clear to me was the same thing you just said Mikado. They are not really defining the diode as a true switch, just rating its switching time.

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/may05/1118/2
This article says: Engineers coveted the tunnel diode for its extremely fast switching times—tens of picoseconds—


OK, lets try to eliminate more confusion. If it has a switching time, why then is it not a switch?

Here is an analogy that everyone will be able to follow. (I have to get to work here, so I don’t have time to think up the perfect analogy, so I am going to force it a little by creating a world where nobody has arms) Okay......there is this world where people just have legs and no arms. These people are electrons. Now they come to the entrance of a building and there is a door. On the outside of the door there is a legend that states push. On the inside of the door, pull. People come to the entrance with no arms and just push the door open and enter the building. People trying to exit the building bump up against the door and push but the door just will not budge. This door is a diode, the people are electrons. It is a one way valve. Now if that door was extremely light, a person entering the building could swing the door open in 0.25 seconds. If the door were a concrete blast door it may take the person 2 seconds or more to push it open and enter the room. This is similar to the switching time they are referring to. However, that does not make this door a switch. It opens in one direction only, the amount of time it takes to open and close is its switching time, but it is not a switch.

If a door were to be a true switch it would have an electric door strike so that it could not be pushed open in either direction. A person with no arms would come to the door and push but it would not open. They would then look in the camera and say hey, this is Gregg, let me in. The person at the desk would push a button and then the door could be pushed open by the person with no arms. This door is similar to a transistor switch. A true switch.

GV
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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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You guys are all so great.

Magic wrote:
But in tunneling, the electron enters one end and instantaneously comes out the other end. Is it the same electron? Who can tell? If it is the same electron then it would appear that the electron is traveling faster than normal speed and the speed of light which is impossible based on current theories. Or it could be a FTM type thing going on here."

I am still struggling with what my Dad demonstrated to me when I was nine years old. We were sitting at this typical fifties yellow formica kitchen table ( anybody remember those, with the chrome legs? Collectors items now!) Anyway there were a few things on the table. A salt shaker I think and maybe a sugar bowl ... and he said ....moving the, say, salt shaker. He said .... "when you move this "..... indicating to the sugar bowl ...." That knows. It doesn't matter how much distance is between them. When something happens to one the other knows intstantly... Now alot of people have taken that to mean that he was talking about a communications device which could be used over vast distances. But thats not all that he was saying I am now realizing. The key word here is "KNOWS."

And so in my later years ( well, the fifty -two years since that demonstration)I am finally coming to realize that there was far more to that little table demonstration than I saw then and the word KNOWS plays a major part.

NOW I SEE ... in the makeup of the Universe we have a situation going on here where there is an INTELLIGENCE that aids in transmitting that information.
Linda
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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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Linda Brown wrote:When something happens to one the other knows intstantly...
No tunnel diodes needed for that. Seems this is just the way things are naturally on their own.

GV
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I kind of like Magic Bill's spin vector explanation too. This whole area has to do with "Mind over matter" "Knowing" (as in Linda's table demonstration) implies that there is not a traditional "communications channel" which is limited by "Shanon theory" limits. Spooky INSTANTANEOUS action at a distance, Entanglement, synchronicity,and probably a bunch of other Vedic terms can be used to describe this but "KNOWING" is a comfortable way of accepting the phenomena introspectively.

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And how wonderful it is that we have such splendid teachers here on the forum. Natural teachers, all of you! thank you very much. Linda
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Linda,

There were some experiments made with some entangled photons and they "knew" how to move:
http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403382,00.html

Now I am reading a book by Sir Oliver Lodge printed in 1925. Even though a lot of scientists no longer believed in the aether, Sir Oliver Lodge did and so did Tesla. So did your Dad. This "quantum entanglement" and objects "knowing" about others must tap into this universal consciousness that some call the aether...

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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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Since this is for Random Ideas, how about a Random story:

There was this young Marine that had this old Ford F250 pickup truck with an older 7.3 diesel in it. It was a well used truck. He installed an extra tank in the bed and he was able to come from the state of Washington, his duty station, almost all the way home without refueling. He eventually was stationed in Irag. About two years ago, he paid the ultimate price of duty.

The truck was left to his younger brother. His younger brother loved that truck, afterall, it was his brothers. Upon graduation this year, he followed his brother into the United States Marine Corps. He is the boyfriend of the daughter of the Vice President of the Company I work for. One of my job titles is "Special Projects" and I was assigned the job to remove the engine and transmission and transfer case and reinstall a fully dyno tested engine and rebuild the transmission and transfer case. The body work is being done by the Vice Presidents in-laws and the tail gate is getting custom painted with a scene.

I am at work as I type this and being a veteran myself, I felt compelled to do this in a manner that was...better than average. You see, there is a time limit for the young man is getting out of basic training on September 13th and coming home and he has no idea that this is taking place. I just finished loading the truck onto a trailer for transport for the final paint work.

Part of why I type this is cathartic and the other part is just to tell the forum how close to home some of this all is.

I will post a picture at some point in the future of the finished truck, probably in two weeks. All this work is being done by donations. Yes, this is cathartic for me.

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Linda Brown wrote: I am still struggling with what my Dad demonstrated to me when I was nine years old. We were sitting at this typical fifties yellow formica kitchen table ( anybody remember those, with the chrome legs? Collectors items now!) Anyway there were a few things on the table. A salt shaker I think and maybe a sugar bowl ... and he said ....moving the, say, salt shaker. He said .... "when you move this "..... indicating to the sugar bowl ...." That knows. It doesn't matter how much distance is between them. When something happens to one the other knows instantly... Now a lot of people have taken that to mean that he was talking about a communications device which could be used over vast distances. But thats not all that he was saying I am now realizing. The key word here is "KNOWS."

And so in my later years ( well, the fifty -two years since that demonstration)I am finally coming to realize that there was far more to that little table demonstration than I saw then and the word KNOWS plays a major part.

NOW I SEE ... in the makeup of the Universe we have a situation going on here where there is an INTELLIGENCE that aids in transmitting that information.
Linda
I would refer to that as an, "Aha!" moment. It was one of the issues that Einstein had regarding "action" at a distance. But coming from the position on "knowing" instantaneously at that distance, the action can therefore be local, only the intelligence was imparted at the distance and in the instance. Does that make it clearer, or have I succeeded in mucking it up?

When I was working in South Miami at that racehorse training center, I was very lax in calling home. Occasionally, Dad or Mom, would call the boss and ask if everything was alright, because they hadn't heard from me in a while. I often listened to lectures about not worrying my parents, and that if I didn't have the money, to ask him and I can use his private phone (which I never did.) Then one night, I just "felt" something was wrong, so I called Philadelphia. When my father answered, I simply asked, "What happened to Mom?" Well needless to say, he was dumbfounded, as she had just been rushed to the hospital (actually Dad carried her the few blocks from my grandparents home) hemorrhaging and near comatose. She was admitted and scheduled for surgery the next day for bladder cancer. Somehow I just knew it.

What really amazes me is when we "know" something before it happens. Even the intelligence at great distance is second rate to that. And I had several of those premonitions in my life. The last and strongest one was recurring dreams about the Challenger exploding soon after liftoff. I repeated it to my wife from about a week before, up to the night before. The morning of that terrible event, before leaving for work, I told her that I had a feeling that if they didn't scrub the launch again, it was going to end tragically. I told a few coworkers when I got to the office, and listened to the snickers and comments about what I was drinking or smoking at home.

A few hours later, while I was engrossed in a pair of terminal/pc screens and not noticing anything else, one of those coworkers came up behind me and placed his hands firmly on my shoulders. He then proceeded to relate the news about the shuttle and what had happened, which was EXACTLY as I described my dreams and vision to them. Finally, when I arrived home after work, I got to see it on the news for myself, I was quite shaken by seeing the video replays, as it was like I saw it many times before. How do things like that happen? By was laws of physics can the be explained?

And about those formica tables, we also had one. Yellow border with white "speckled" interior. And it had a "leaf' that was inserted to make it longer for "company" dinners.

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Re: NOTEPAD for RANDOM IDEAS

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arc,

You asked an interesting set of questions. I am not even sure that they were on this particular thread but going to get answered here anyway.

Well, as answered as I can answer.

You asked where this forum " came from" and what its aims are, where it is " going".

I am not trying to be flippant here, honest but after awhile here in this rabbit hole you will understand my response. How the *#*& do I know? The forum started in what Paul called his " comments" section where I think we were expected to write a few passing mundane lines.... I have seen plenty of examples of that on other forums.... but thats not what happened with this one. NOOOOO .... it took off like that little white rabbit, gathering speed and members and then once we were all sufficiently hooked on the story ...it followed Paul down the rabbit hole. Oh he gave us the eventual choice ... take the pill.... or not. And the ones here who are the most devoted ( I count myself lucky to be included in that initial and now substantial group of followers) .... we are like .... hooked on this story.

But thats not the only thing going on here. There is this wierd sense of all of us banding together to " respond to something unseen". Victoria has said that we are all like a strange magical windchime, responding to this thing that we can't see but only feel as a group. Someone else called it " self organization" and thats as close to a good description as anyone can come up with I think. Others have been talking about "aether intelligence".

So where is this Forum going? How the heck would I know?
But I wouldn't miss this trip for anything in the world.

So if you want to join us ... Just read the past comments and buckle up!

Was it you Elizabeth who warned to keep your hands and feet inside the vehicle!

Welcome arc! ( Oh and your choice of initials is interesting too. A cosmic thing here but from your first questions all I could think of was the Archangel Michael ( was it him?) who met the slave girl mentioned in Genesis. Her name was Hagar I think. We have talked about her before. But the angel was the first one mentioned in the Bible I believe and thats what he asked her. Who are you? Where did you come from? and where are you going?" Just one of those wierd jumps. MarkC
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Who/Whom decides?

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I had a conversation over Sunday and into the beginning part of the week. In honesty, something triggered a memory that was able to pierce the veil of this amnesia thingy. It was rather emotional, as always, just another day. However, it had me thinking on other subjects as well and I talked with three people about this but one offered some buddhic wisdom. I offer the following for fodder.
quote wrote:We have made the Argonaut. Now someone must decide what to do with it. Eh, Doktor?

A dreadful sense of futility, of hopeless responsibility, fell on him. Ah yes, he thought, the words ringing and pounding in his head, the lights of the city slipping beneath him into darkness. Ah yes. There always comes the time when man must learn to use the things that he has made.
Yo Skeets! Searching the streets with a lantern...upon whom will the light fall?

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Re: Copied from another forum today

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arc wrote:Hello TrickFox and everyone else
Im new around here and it looks like I have a lot of catch-up reading to do... when I can make the time. If its ok with you folk I will make some random pot-shots at various articles here and there, and eventually I will get the flow of what's emerging
Trickfox wrote:The following post popped up on my ongoing "google notification" I have gone through it a couple of times. There is cause to examine everything said here very carefully. Jack Sarfatti is one person I take seriously enough to listen to.

Trickfox

*****************Begin shameless re-post***********************
The Tesla Beograd WWII Nazi Bell Connection
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2007 @ 18:16:21 PDT by vlad

From Jack Sarfatti, PhD physics: I am keeping almost everything anonymous to emphasize the physics and not the people.

On May 25, 2007, at 5:50 PM, ... wrote: "I personally saw a craft of this type execute two right angle turns while covering nine miles of airspace in under a second and a half on December 13, 1989, just north of the Ontario International Airport over Rancho Cucamonga at about 11:44 PM on that date. It produced no sonic boom. I roughly calculated that the object, a brilliant, bluish-white sphere, had to been travelling upwards of 12 to 14,000 miles per hour. It was headed, just by coincidence, in the direction of Edwards AFB."

It has been a while since I talked to ...... ... He did attempt to explain how he THOUGHT it might work, but it sounded like something I had seen in Moray B. King's second book on Tapping Zero-Point Energy. ... The gist of the circuit's operation, in what little detail ... has shared with me went something like the following with components oriented in the following way: ............ rest of article ....
Its a good read but I do severely doubt the measurements as stated. There just does not seem to be enough capacity to the capacitance... no pun intended. I may be entirely wrong of course. TrickFox (or anyone else) are you able to update me on what your latest thoughts are on this matter/device/technology.


Regards
arc
I have reposted your post only for some clarification. What measurements of capacitance, capacity etc are you referring? The only measurements you have stated are the estimated speeds and direction of travel.

I'm lost.

Oh, welcome to the forum Mr/Ms arc

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