Here is where we focus on separating the facts from the fiction, identifying what we KNOW from what what we DON'T KNOW about the life and work of Townsend Brown


Postby natecull » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:33 pm

Answering my own De Seversky question, from Wikipedia:

Alexander Nikolaievich Prokofiev de Seversky (also Prokofiev-Seversky or DeSeversky), (June 7, 1894 – August 24, 1974) was a Russian-American aviation pioneer, inventor, and influential advocate of strategic air power.

He was the author of the influential 1942 book, Victory Through Air Power, which Disney adapted into a motion picture. Seversky argued for the immediate development of long-range bombers, specifically intercontinental bombers capable of directly striking Germany and Japan from the U.S. without refueling. He urged the shift of manufacturing resources away from traditional land- and sea-based armaments and air-support aircraft and toward these bombers. He argued that existing U.S. strategy was futile and could not achieve victory, due to the disparity between the long supply lines needed by U.S. forces and the excellent interior communications within Germany and Japan. No matter how many machines and planes the U.S. threw at the Axis powers, they could withstand the assault by shrinking their defensive perimeter and concentrating their power. Seversky argued that direct bomber attacks from U.S.-based aircraft were the only way of administering a knockout blow. He acknowledged that shifting priorities to strategic air would reduce the strength of traditional forces, but argued that this would require only a temporary yielding of ground.

He was one of a number of strategic air advocates whose vision was realized in the 1946 creation of the Strategic Air Command and the development of aircraft such as the Convair B-36 and B-47 Stratojet. Seversky continued to publicize his ideas for innovative aircraft and weaponry, notably the 1964 Ionocraft which was to be a single-man aircraft powered by the ionic wind from a high-voltage discharge. A laboratory demonstration was acknowledged to require 90 watts to lift a two ounce (60 g) model, and no man-carrying version was ever built.

Hmmmm. A major advocate of strategic intercontinental bombing. That would put him at least ideologically aligned with Floyd Odlum, wouldn't it? Fellow travellers, possibly? Just reaching.

And 1964 is right in the middle of those 'missing years'.

"The idea hit me as I was working on an electric air-cleaning device which I had invented," the major recalled.

"That gadget was designed to fight air pollution by electrically charging the particles in industrial smoke and then trapping them on a liquid electrode with the opposite charge."

De Seversky noticed an air flow developing between the two electrodes, caused by ionization process previous explained.

"To an old flyer like me," said the major, "anything that stirs up a wind is a flying machine. So I began to develop the idea."

He was working on an electric air cleaner which *he* invented, was he? Indeed.

So suspicious, I am. And rather slow on the uptake. This *was* in the book, right?
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Postby natecull » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:48 pm

Mark Culpepper wrote:Am I wrong in assuming that the only customer legally for uranium was the United States government? I think that I read that somewhere. If that is so..... and the Caroline Group was doing something really secret ( inside their own organization) and they needed uranium for some part of the process of it, just exactly how would they get it. Think about it. You think that they can just "sign that stuff out?" Without having connections within the military? But that is so difficult. Better to hide something at the source..... right?

It seems logical, except for one thing. If you're going to mine uranium from a 'pinched out' mine, you're going to need workers, right? And those workers will have to be sworn to secrecy. And you'll presumably have tailings, incoming trucks and buses, etc. Seems like it would be a bit hard to hide that from the neighbours, wouldn't it?
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Postby natecull » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:06 pm

Still on a tangent, I wonder who Beebe Bourne was.

NMPA & HFA Mourn Passing Of Beebe Bourne On November 1, 2005

By: Mi2N

The National Music Publishers Association (NMPA) and The Harry Fox Agency (HFA) are greatly saddened to announce the passing of board member Beebe Bourne on November 1 after a battle with cancer. Ms. Bourne was part of the legendary Bourne music publishing family, and through the Bourne Co., controlled the publishing of such American classics as "Unforgettable," "Me And My Shadow," "When You Wish Upon A Star," "Swinging On A Star" and "Black Magic Woman," in addition to operating International Music Co., one of the most important publishers of classical music in the world. Visitation will be Thursday, November 3 at the Frank E. Campbell Funeral Home in New York City; services will be held Friday, November 4 at 2 p.m. at St. Jean Baptiste in New York City. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in Ms. Bourne's memory to the Lighthouse International Music School.

"Beebe Bourne was the First Lady of music publishing," said Irwin Z. Robinson, chairman of the NMPA board of directors and chairman and CEO of Famous Music Publishing. "Beebe had music publishing in her blood, and she did so much to promote the rights of music publishers and songwriters. Our condolences go out to the Bourne Music family."

In addition to serving on the Board of the NMPA and on its international and legislative committees, Ms. Bourne had been president of the Music Publishers Association, executive director of the New York Chapter of the Association of Independent Music Publishers, and was a member of the Copyright Society of the U.S.A. In 2002, she received the Women in Music Touchstone Award given for Distinguished Service to the Music Industry, and just this spring she had received the 2005 Abe Olman Publishers Award from the Songwriters Hall of Fame. She was only the second woman to receive the award; the first was her mother, Bonnie Bourne.

Bourne Co. was founded in 1919 by Ms. Bourne's father, Saul Bourne, with Irving Berlin and Max Winslow. Before taking over the reins of the company from her mother in 1991, Ms. Bourne had held such diverse positions as president and C.O.O. of the THinc Consulting Group; C.E.O. of Seversky Electronatom; special assistant to the President of the United States; and executive assistant to the administrator of the Small Business Administration.

Why was Seversky's ion airplane company run by a music industry person? And special assistant to the President?
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Postby greggvizza » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:16 pm

natecull wrote:Why was Seversky's ion airplane company run by a music industry person? And special assistant to the President?

To me that looks like it was the publisher ladys daughter who was the one that worked for Seversky.

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Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:36 pm

Hi Nate,

This is in response to your question here but I am aware that its going to open nearly a bottomless pit of a rabbit hole. I guess no time better than now, Just know that it is my suggestion that we start another thread in this direction if you think that it is interesting enough,

I have sort of a strange answer to you when you wrote this question.

"It seems logical, except for one thing. If you're going to mine uranium from a 'pinched out' mine, you're going to need workers, right? And those workers will have to be sworn to secrecy. And you'll presumably have tailings, incoming trucks and buses, etc. Seems like it would be a bit hard to hide that from the neighbours, wouldn't it?natecull

Junior Birdman. Great name! Read the above carefully and then read this also carefully ( taking note that it does go in some very strange directions, ... crash.html

Cover your ears Trickfox! Thinking of you and glad you are home~ Elizabeth
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Postby Rose » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:22 pm

Nate and i both changed rank recently...I assume the new insignia is going to arrive in the mail?

I've seen that article before, E. It certainly is a meaty one. These snips are worth repeating for everyone to see:

. Biological warfare projects were investigated with Stormont laboratories looking into the creation of 'pathogenic viruses' and enhanced fuel-air explosive weapons were created and tested in league with Meridian Arms at the NEVADA TESTING RANGE which matched the explosive power of nuclear devices.
"These enhanced weapons gained their power from polarizing the molecules in the gas cloud by modification of the electric field, a technology developed from exploring Thomas Townsend Brown's suppressed work, a knowledge which Riconosciuto claims he gained from working at LEAR in Reno, Nevada.

"The so-called drug operation broken up in Washington State was an electrohydrodynamic mining operation claimed Gunderson, using Townsend Brown technology. A videotape viewed by this journalist revealed metallic powders and apparent processes unrelated to drug manufacture. Indeed, a government analysis of soil samples revealed the absence of drug contamination, but a high concentration of barium. Barium is often found in high voltage related work.

"Wackenhut is also responsible for security of a lot of UNDERGROUND FACILITIES in California and Nevada, including the notorious S-4 or Area 51 in Nevada where Townsend Brown flying disk technology (written about in a T.C. recent issue) has been flying and developing for decades.

i've tried to track down the TC Technical Consultant magazine/newsletter that was twice referenced, but other than this article, i find no mention of it anywhere. However, I think it is interesting that these mentions of TTB's work come from a source whose knowledge of so many other nefarious schemes has been vetted by the RCMP, which investigated the Octopus affair thoroughly in conjunction with something else that was never revealed.

And in a small world aside, my hub and I were once the overnight guests in the Mt. Shasta home of Mark Nichols (son of John and subsequent CEO of the Cabazon tribe). He seemed like a terribly nice person who passionately believed in indian Sovreignity, but isn't it odd that he would automatically assume his father's old job upon his death?

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Postby twigsnapper » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:22 am


Nice work. I also have had the honor of meeting some " terribly nicepeople who passionately believe in Indian Sovreignity" and may it always be such.

Morgan was pleased that as an adult he could play cowboys and Indians and it didn't seem to bother him that he only had one cowboy,

Theres an old joke you know about the Lone Ranger... was Morgans favorite and I am sure that you all know the punchline... when overtaken by hostiles ... the line was .... "Well I guess this is the end.... we are surrounded "... and Tonto says ...." What do you mean WE white man?"

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Postby Mark Culpepper » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:31 am


"The so-called drug operation broken up in Washington State was an electrohydrodynamic mining operation claimed Gunderson, using Townsend Brown technology. A videotape viewed by this journalist revealed metallic powders and apparent processes unrelated to drug manufacture. Indeed, a government analysis of soil samples revealed the absence of drug contamination, but a high concentration of barium. Barium is often found in high voltage related work.

We have seen this before, I agree with you Rose but this is sort of an odd thing , this " mining operation" deal after the discussion of Mr. Odlums Uranium mine. Where else was Dr. Brown involved in mining? See thats the deal, other than putting his " sensors" in various mine shafts ... I didn't think that he had developed any sort of "mining machine"

How credible is this Cabazon Indian/ Townsend Brown technology story you think? giving me goose bumps again especially the comment about Barium?????

Mr. twigsnapper, Heard that a long time ago but liked trying to imagine Morgan telling it, <g> MarkC
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Postby natecull » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:11 am

Datadump ahoy!

Mark Culpepper wrote:"The so-called drug operation broken up in Washington State was an electrohydrodynamic mining operation claimed Gunderson, using Townsend Brown technology. A videotape viewed by this journalist revealed metallic powders and apparent processes unrelated to drug manufacture. Indeed, a government analysis of soil samples revealed the absence of drug contamination, but a high concentration of barium. Barium is often found in high voltage related work.

Intriguing. I've read that article before and while I find parts of it literally in-credible, there are other bits that are substantiated in the real world. PROMIS, for one, is a weird tale but apparently true, outside the rabbit hole. ... ion_System

Murky political dealings with Indian reservations are also nothing new. If we're talking 1991 or earlier, this would be substantially the same team as these guys: ... ng_scandal

It is eerily apropos that barium should be mentioned in regard to mining, indeed. I would like dearly to know exactly which 'drug operation broken up in Washington State' this is referring to, and where. Presumably circa 1991?


The Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation is located within two northern New Mexico counties:

* Rio Arriba County
* Sandoval County

The reservation has a land area of 3,532.864 km² (1,364.046 sq mi) and had a population of 2,755 as of the 2000 census. Its only significant community is Dulce, which comprises over 95 percent of the reservation's population, near the extreme north end.

Cabazon is a census-designated place (CDP) in Riverside County, California, United States. The population was 2,229 at the 2000 census.

Cabazon was incorporated as a city in 1955[1]. In 1972, due to years of scandal, political instability, and stalled growth, the citizens of Cabazon voted to disincorporate the city[1]. Cabazon thus became the first and, so far, only community to give up cityhood in Riverside County[1]. Attempts to incorporate the area are in progress, in order to reinstall civic pride[1].

Cabazon is the home of the Morongo Band of Mission Indians and their massive Casino Morongo, whose 27-story[2] hotel tower dominates the San Gorgonio Pass[3]. It is one of the largest Native American casinos in the United States[3]. A huge water-bottling facility was established by Arrowhead Mountain Springwater (in partnership with the Morongo Band of Mission Indians) on the eastern edge on Cabazon in 2003[4].

The Morongo Band appear to be the largest grouping of Cahuilla:

The Cahuilla are a tribe of Native Americans that have inhabited the U.S. state of California for more than 2,000 years, originally covering an area of about 2,400 square miles (6,200 km²). The traditional Cahuilla territory was near the geographic center of Southern California. It was bounded to the north by the San Bernardino Mountains, to the south by Borrego Springs and the Chocolate Mountains, to the east by the Colorado Desert, and to the west by the San Jacinto Plain and the eastern slopes of the Palomar Mountains.[1]

Would that be anywhere near '125 miles southwest of Las Vegas', I wonder?

More allegations about Michael Riconosciuto and PROMIS in the e-book 'The Last Circle':

"(12) I became aware in 1991 that Michael Riconosciuto, known to me as a longtime CIA asset, was arrested in Washington State by DEA for the manufacturing of illegal chemical drugs. I had also become aware of the fact that Riconosciuto had made a sworn statement, prior to his arrest, about his participation in a covert U.S. intelligence initiative to sell Inslaw's PROMISE software to foreign governments.

"(13) In light of Hurley's personal involvement in the U.S. Government's covert intelligence initiative to sell PROMIS[E] software to foreign governments and his reassignment to a DEA intelligence position in Washington State in advance of the DEA's arrest of Riconosciuto, the arrest of Riconosciuto should be regarded as suspect. I do not believe that Hurley's posting to a drug intelligence position in Washington State in advance of Riconosciuto's arrest on drug charges is merely coincidental. Rather, the probability is that Hurley was reassigned to Washington State to manufacture a case against Riconosciuto in order to prevent Riconosciuto from becoming a credible witness about the U.S. Government's covert sale of the PROMIS software to foreign governments.

Presumably the arrest of Riconosciuto was the 'drug operation' referred to. ... Murder.txt

The 44-year-old Riconosciuto is -- to put it mildly -- a colorful
character, wilder than anything in "The Falcon and the Snowman".
He was a gifted child: When he was just 10 years old, Michael
wired his parents' neighborhood with a working private telephone
system that undercut Ma Bell; in the eighth grade, he won a science
fair with a model for a three-dimensional sonar system. By the
time he was a teenager, he had won so many science fairs with
exhibits of laser technology that he was invited to be a summer
research assistant at Stanford's prestigious Cooper Vapor Laser
Laboratory. Dr. Arthur Schalow, a Nobel laureate, remembers him
even now. "You don't forget a 16-year-old youngster who shows up
with his own argon laser," he told Casolaro.

In 1973, Riconosciuto had been sentenced by a federal judge in
Seattle to two years in prison for the manufacture of psychedelic
drugs and jumping bail. At the time, his father testified that
Michael was engaged in "underwater research" and had discussed
"using electronic means to clean up pollutants in water." The
narcotics agents who arrested the young Riconosciuto said they'd
had him under surveillance off and on since 1968.

Riconosciuto told Casolaro, as he had told numerous other reporters
before him, that after his release he had become research director
for a joint venture between Wackenhut, the Coral Gables [Florida]
private security outfit, and the Cabazon Indian band of Indio,
California, that was developing and manufacturing arms and other
military materiel -- including night-vision goggles, machine guns,
and biological and chemical weapons -- for export.

Riconosciuto claimed that he had invented the fuel-air explosive;
he also said that he had encountered a variety of famous people
who dropped by the Cabazon reservation from time to time. For
example, he claimed that he had met the Jackal, the famous
assassin; talked on the phone with Admiral Bobby Inman of the
C.I.A.; and even tape-recorded a secret meeting with William Casey
at a Washington, D.C. country club (according to Riconosciuto,
that tape was his insurance policy against getting bumped off by
the big boys in the spook world).

Not perhaps the most reliable witness however:

Jerry Uhrhammer of the Tacoma Morning News Tribune covered Riconosciuto's claims and legal battles for that paper, including Riconosciuto's three-week-long drug trial, held in Tacoma in April 1991. "I believe it is significant that Casolaro's theory about a mega-conspiracy he called 'The Octopus' seems to have developed after exposure to Riconosciuto's tales of involvement in nearly every major national and international conspiracy of the past decade," wrote Uhrhammer in a letter to the IRE Journal of the Investigative Reporters & Editors group.

Uhrhammer says it was relatively easy for him to disprove many of Riconosciuto's claims. "There were other instances in which it was obvious that Riconosciuto had obtained small morsels of information, then embellished and expanded those morsels into seven-course feasts of conspiratorial derring-do that he fed back through the conspiracy network. The thought of going into print with a story based on such a story makes me shudder," wrote Uhrhammer.

Any reporter who checked the court file prior to Riconosciuto's trial could have found documents that offered a psychiatric explanation for [his] conspiracy tales. Psychiatrists who examined him in 1972, prior to his first drug conviction, portrayed him as a mentally unstable person who had trouble discerning between fact and fiction....I have been dismayed and appalled by some articles in which Riconosciuto is quoted as a primary source, if not sole source, in support of some conspiracy theory, but without any warning to the reader that his credibility is suspect or nonexistant.

Free-lance reporter Jonathan Littman spent four months investigating charges regarding the Canazon Indian reservation, including those circulated by Casolaro, who had been using Riconosciuto as a source. Littman wrote a fascinating three-part series for the San Francisco Chronicle on how outsiders were abusing tribal sovereignty. Littman and Chronicle reporter Michael Taylor also wrote a story about Riconosciuto's claims about several murders linked to persons associated with the Cabazon reservation. "We had to throw out tons of stuff from Riconosciuto wholesale...because we ended up trying to prove a negative," said Taylor.

Time to investigate that Littman article...
Okay, this is a rabbit hole, but intriguing. Couldn't find Littman's opus, but did find this:

Riconosciuto was a prodigy who had grown up in the spook community. The Riconosciuto family had once run Hercules, California, as a company town. In the early days (1861) a company called California Powder Works had been established in Santa Cruz, CA. It later purchased land on San Pablo Bay, and in 1881 started producing dynamite, locating buildings in gullies and ravines for safety purposes. A particularly potent type of black powder was named "Hercules Powder", which gave the name to the town of Hercules, formally incorporated in 1900. In World War I, Hercules became the largest producer of TNT in the U.S. Hercules, however, had gotten out of the explosives business by 1940 when an anhydrous ammonia plant was constructed. In 1959 Hercules began a new manufacturing facility to produce methanol, formaldehyde, and urea formaldehyde. In 1966 the plant was sold to Valley Nitrogen Producers. Labor problems led to a plant closure in 1977. In 1979 the plant and site was purchased by a group of investors calling themselves Hercules Properties, Ltd.

However, Michael and his father Marshall Riconosciuto, a friend of Richard Nixon, continued to run the Hercules Research Corporation. In the early 1980s Michael also served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California. Riconosciuto's talents were much in demand. He had created the a-neutronic bomb (or "Electro-Hydrodynamic Gaseous Fuel Device"), which sank the ground level of the Nevada test site by 30 feet when a prototype was tested. Samuel Cohen, the inventor of the neutron bomb, said of Riconosciuto: "I've spoken to Michael Riconosciuto (the inventor of the a-neutronic bomb) and he's an extraordinarily bright guy. I also have a hunch, which I can't prove, that they both (Riconosciuto and Lavos, his partner) indirectly work for the CIA."

Riconosciuto's bomb made suitcase nukes obsolete, because it achieved near-atomic explosive yields, but could be more easily minaturized. You could have a suitcase a-neutronic bomb, or a briefcase a-neutronic bomb, or simply a lady's purse a-neutronic bomb. Or just pull out your wallet for identification and —. The Meridian Arms Corporation, as well as the Universities of California and Chicago owned a piece of the technology.

But there was more than explosives in the portfolios of the CIA agents who surrounded Riconosciuto like moths around a candle. Both Robert Booth Nichols, the shady head of Meridian Arms Corporation (with both CIA and organized crime conections), and Dr. John Phillip Nichols, the manager of the Cabazon reservation, were involved in bio-warfare work—the first in trying to sell bio-warfare products to the army through Wackenhut, the second in giving tribal permission for research to take place at Cabazon. According to Riconosciuto, the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) was in charge of the classified contracts for biological warfare research. Riconosciuto would later testify under oath that Stormont Laboratories was involved in the DARPA-Wackenhut-Cabazon project. Jonathan Littman, a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle would relate: "Cabazons and Wackenhut appeared to be acting as middlemen between the Pentagon's DARPA and Stormont Laboratories, a small facility in Woodland near Sacramento."

Unproven? Possibly. But some more names to check out.

A 1997 letter from Riconosciuto makes him sound fairly sane and technologically adept:

"First a little of my background. I started with computers when a "laptop" was an IBM porta-punch. My first serious computing experience was on an IBM system 1620. I went from there to the IBM 7090/7094 systems and from there to the then "new" IBM 360 family. I missed the 370 generations, because during that time my responsibilities had me in a position where comp center staff handled all my data processing. I have been on the DEC/PDP systems since they first came out (PDP 8, PDP 10, PDP 11) and stayed with them as they matured into the VAX system. My programming experience runs the gamut from absolute coding sheets in unit record type systems, to top down/structured programming. I have been at this for awhile. I am not impressed by the Intel/MS standard that has taken over the computing world. Although I might note that Windows NT has suspicious similarity to the VAX/VMS operating system.

"Up until six months ago I had access to a computer and the latest literature because of my inmate job assignments in facilities management and prison industries. We had a high end Pentium CAD set up in facilities and a network connection on a Data General Avion system in Unicor prison industries. I also had the responsibility of maintenance on a Honeywell building automation control DDC-HVAC system.

"As a direct result of the TV interview with the Germans I was pulled off my premium inmate job and re- assigned to the duty of picking up cigarette butts in the recreation yard for $5 per month. This was inspite of exemplary job assignment reports and no disruptive behavior incidents."

I'll spare you the rest of the letter and its response but it looks like genuine crypto-geek speak to me (I'm a head and occasionally read Crypto-Gram). Just based on this I'd vouch for him being real.

Edit: And more! Man, this is a doozy of a hole. Found via Above Top Secret, an article by the man himself describing his use of electrostatics ... 349&page=1 ... 349&page=2

Electrostatic Cooling: Science Fact or Fiction

In an attempt to describe my technical work in the context of my criminal case I have met with a lot of criticism. At times the criticism has turned to outright ridicule. I have been accused of everything from making wild claims to not knowing my physics.

My work in heat transfer has many significant uses in military, industrial, and communications applications. A point that I had made to the science editor of DerSpeigel Magazine during a interview was that the F-111 plane built by General Dynamics was in service because of technology that I was attempting to describe as part of the basis for some of my work. The science editor and his researchers claimed that they had never heard of any of these concepts, and could not locate the references that I claimed existed.

Finally, in September of 1998 I received a partial copy of the DESIGN NEWS article on the wing pin cooling and the POPULAR SCIENCE article on electrostatic cooling that review the heat transfer technology that I had been attempting to describe.

What is significant in these articles is that: <1> the electrical power used to cool the wing pin is an extremely low amount. So much so that there appears to be a SECOND LAW violation. <2> the determination that an "electric wind" is responsible for the instantaneous electrostatic cooling fails to account for the speed and the amount of the observed heat flow in the wing pin welding process and other demonstrations. <3> the article on the wing pin understates the importance of the electrostatic cooling process in the production of the F-111 wing pins. The early versions of the F-111 were grounded because of a series of crashes attributed to the structural failure of conventional methods using clamp cooling bars and periodic shutdowns to cool the pins during the welding process.

General Dynamics had explored every possible manufacturing technique for fabricating the wing pins in an effort to save the F-111 project. In desperation, as a last resort, General Dynamics allowed the electrostatic cooling to be demonstrated on a actual wing pin. General Dynamic scientists, engineers, and executives were astounded by the structural tests on the sample wing pin. <4> the POPULAR SCIENCE article does not go into any detail on the capability of the electrostatic cooling process to thermally stabilize high power laser components.

The PS article only makes a vague reference to "infrared optics". Neither of these articles make any mention of the capability of electrostatic cooling to control heat in *all* types of explosives, or the control of heat in electrical power fuses. Electrostatic cooling has enabled a whole new class of tactical explosive systems and high energy electric power systems.

The claims made for electrostatic cooling appear to be lifted from the pages of a science fiction story. I am using the F-111 project as a concrete, real world example of the capabilities of electrostatic cooling since the project would have more than likely been scrapped had it not been for the application of electrostatic cooling to the wing pin welding process.

Similar dramatic successes have been realized in the MIRACL, COIL, TEXS, and ETC weapons programs. None of these programs could be a workable reality without the application of proprietary electrostatic cooling techniques. The practical application of the underlying thermodynamic concepts of electrostatic cooling to ergodicity and entropyy in high performance data communications systems has only recently become apparent to the computer industry.

Dunno what he means about ergodicity and entropy, but yes, cooling is a HUGE problem in computing right now. MIRACL is a military laser, dunno about the others.

The Infrared thermograph displayed the overall thermal profile of the wing pin during the entire welding process. Application of the low power electrostatic field was clearly seen to instantaneously break up the thermal boundary layer that was present over the heated wing pin surface area.

The wing pin could be made to attain a new thermal equilibrium anywhere in a temperature range of a few degrees lower than initial conditions to over 500 degrees F lower, just outside the weld zone throughout the surrounding area. This new equilibrium was attained in a matter of mere seconds throughout the entire bulk of the wing pin.

The application of external chill bars and/or a "electric wind" is a surface phenomenon. Careful experimental analysis of the boundary layer thermal transfer effect confirmed that heat transfer was indeed substantially enhanced when the electrostatic field disrupted the boundary layer. The boundary layer was found to act as an effective thermal impedance to both radiative and convective thermal transfer from the surface of the wing pin.

Retired Admiral, Al Renkin, and myself demonstrated this heat transfer phenomenon to scientists from the various national laboratories. As amazed as they were, none of the scientists or engineers could accurately characterize the underlying physics of the experimentally observed phenomenon in our demonstrations. At this point the ONR (Office of Naval Research) proposed that the experimental set-up be changed.

Oscar Blomgren Jr. had succeeded in cooling spots on the filament of a long display case type lightbulb. I was asked if it were possible to cool the entire length of the filament simultaneously, to the same degree as the sections of the filament had been. The answer was yes.

Then ONR wanted to see the numbers on probe energy versus the electrical energy input and thermal and convective heat flow around the filament.

Vacuum and inert gas backfilled lightbulbs were used for this set of experiments. The experimental results were immediately classified and all hell broke out around our project. I suddenly had immense resources in money and personnel made available to our project through DARPA, ONR, and USAF PRAM PROJECT OFFICE.

This R&D continued for 3 years until it was disrupted by the murder of Paul Morasca. When I realized that Paul Morasca was terminated by the US Government, I folded up the project at Hercules, Cabazon, and Sonoma Engineering.

The research data and equipment from the entire project went into storage. I have effectively been on the run since I shelved the project in 1984.

My work on this project started with a heat transfer phenomenon that had been accidentaly discovered by Oscar Blomgren Jr. I succeeded in completely reconciling the observed experimental results with the apparent violations of the laws of physics. The work that I completed can be summarized as mathematical modeling and numerical simulation with application of the BOUNDARY VALUE PROBLEMS OF THERMODYNAMICS based on second order partial differential equations derived from elliptic functions. The mathematical principles and physical laws that cover this work are as follows: <1> the laws of thermodynamics. <2> the boundary value problems <1st-the DIRICHLET problem, 2nd-the NEUMANN problem, 3rd- ROBIN'S problem. <3> the equations of mathematical physics . <4> Maxwell's relations in thermodynamics .

The Maxwell relations in thermodynamics are based on Maxwell's cross-partial derivatives and lead to the HELM HOLTZ function and the GIBBS function.

My work succeeded in clarifying the physics of the observed heat transfer effects demonstrated by the use of electrostatic cooling. The discoveries that I made have been classified and improperly expropriated by agencies of the US government.

Okay, I can't follow any of that, except that it involves electrostatics and effects not predicted by standard theory. Related to Brown's work with the 'fan' or not? It seems more like *reinventing* similar science rather than building on it.

According to Wikipedia, the F-111 made its FIRST FLIGHT in 1964! And was introduced by 1967!

How the heck could he have worked on this in 1981? But maybe it was an upgrade:

Behind the scenes, lessons were being learned and fixes being applied in the last 1960s. Testing in 1969 had revealed that a contractor had been paying off inspectors to approve sub-standard work on structural wing components, and all aircraft had to have the component replaced at significant cost (since most F-111As had been already completed). More failures were found and corrected in the wing pivot forgings.

From the early 1980s onward, tactical F-111s were fitted with shoulder rails on the sides of the outboard swiveling pylon (designated stations 3A and 6A) for two AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles for self-defense. The standard Sidewinder fit was the AIM-9P, rather than the more modern AIM-9L or AIM-9M, whose larger fins were not compatible with the shoulder rail. The RAAF has considered replacing the Sidewinder with ASRAAM.

Oh, huh. Rex Research has already been here.

"Cooling by Electrostatic Spray"
Invention Intelligence (1976)

Inter-Probe of North Chicago has patented an electrostatic cooling system that can cause red-hot metal to cool perceptibly. The system uses negative terminal probes placed near the heated object, the positive or ground terminal being attached to the nozzle of the burner. When high voltage is applied, a stream of ions flows from the probes towards the heated object and reduces its temperature.

The electrostatic cooling phenomena has not yet been fully understood. One speculation for this sudden high rate of heat transfer is that the resulting ion flow causes surface turbulence, which in turn breaks down the insulating surface layer between the heated object and the surrounding air. Another theory is that, since energy is required to extract electrons from the heated material, there should be cooling when thermions are emitted.

Was this in the book too? I've forgotten already where I've read stuff...
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Postby natecull » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:42 pm

What the heck. I should be sleeping already, but this The Last Circle book has lots of intriguing snippets, and it's probably worth reading the whole thing. You can get a one-page version here: ... ircle!.htm

I'm following the references from this conversation on Above Top Secret, which I wouldn't normally link to because they make *us* look sane, but here goes:

Specifically I'm interested in the Riconosciuto clan and Hercules company, and any clues to what toys Michael was playing with.

Also mentioned in the affidavit was corroboration of Riconosciuto's work in the defense and national security fields. Section six of the affidavit noted that during the course of a telephone conversation with Robert Nichols on or about April 18, 1991, Hamilton learned that Nichols had attended a meeting that had been organized by a Colonel Bamford, an aide to General Meyer, then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Others participating in the meeting were department heads from Department of Defense scientific facilities.

Michael Riconosciuto was the principal presenter to this group of seniorlevel national security research and development officials. According to Nichols, Riconosciuto made a day long presentation to this meeting of scientists lasting from approximately 9 a.m. until approximately 4 p.m., answering questions from the participants and filling the halls of the conference facility with his handprinted notes on the scientific and technical issues that arose in the course of his presentation.

I was able to locate in Riconosciuto's files, a letter written on July 20, 1983 from Tom Bamford, Vice President of Research and Development at FMC Corporation in Santa Clara, California to William Frash in Escondido, California. At that time, Frash, a retired USMC Colonel, was Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Lilac Corporation.

Essentially, the letter expressed enthusiasm for the potential application of technologies being proposed to FMC Corporation by Meridian Arms, and called for a list of all active participants in the joint venture. At that time Riconosciuto was vice president of Meridian Arms. Bamford added, " ... You may want to do this only for Mike at this stage."

Frash hastened to respond to Bamford on July 27, 1983 to apprise him of a meeting between himself and Michael Riconosciuto, Robert Booth Nichols, Peter Zokosky and Patrick Moriarty (Michael's father's business partner) regarding "energy transfer phenomena." A proposal was underway to outline technology in the form of patents applied for jointly between Meridian Arms and FMC. Frash noted that the technology would "supercede all existing world patents in the field."

"Had we patented previously, it would only have announced our `edge' in the field," he wrote. Three of the four major patents that would be forthcoming were (1) the application of Perturbation Theory to enhanced energy transfer, (2) the application of stationary methods with powders and aerosols to enhanced energy transfer and (3) the application of Perturbation Theory to hydrodynamic flow regimes.

It is noteworthy that the submarine propulsion system depicted in the movie, "Hunt for Red October" utilized this theory. Frash concluded, "Tom, as you well know, Mike's tried and true value is in the field of high voltage and electrostatics and their application.
The meetings in San Jose highlighted application of this technology in over one hundred areas that are inhouse FMC." He added, " ... Per your reference to meetings in Washington, D.C., I assume the meetings with Dr. Fair, Admiral Renkin and the ACCOM people will suffice in this matter. In closing we are very enthused, Tom, and we look forward to an expeditious closing. Sincerely, William Frash."

Frash's payment for putting together the above referenced joint venture, if successful, would be $500,000 for the first fifteen million invested, or $166,666.66 for only five million invested, a onehundredthousanddollar per year salary for a period of 20 years, and a 2% share in the gross profits. This, according to a Letter of Understanding sent to and signed by Robert Booth Nichols and Michael Riconosciuto in July, 1983.

In questioning Michael Riconosciuto about the FMC agreements, he said he attempted to break away from Robert Nichols in 1984. "The guy nearly got me terminated," declared Riconosciuto. "At the time I was working with Nichols on a proposal to FMC Corporation, which is Food Machinery Corporation, they produced the Bradley Personnel Carrier. I've got a complete papertrail on the technology that was being presented. We conducted a test demonstration of an enhanced airfield device which I developed. We also conducted a test of a hydrodynamic implosion type of explosive device.

"The implosion device settled the Nevada Test Range by about 30 feet. The Lawrence Livermore Labs and the Gallup Ordinance people built a prototype of the device, but they overbuilt it because they wanted an impressive demonstration. It created an international incident because the demonstration was picked up by Soviet monitoring satellites.

"Anyway, the bona fides were established. The next thing was to get the business done and get me into harness in a program. I was all for it, but Bob [Nichols] started getting spooky on me. He wanted to receive the setup of our end offshore, in Singapore. He wanted to receive $20 million dollars in cash in Singapore, and he wanted to use certain of the technology overseas, namely in Australia, OK?

Moriarty and the Riconosciutos, father and son, had once owned Hercules Research Corporation together in Hercules, California. An old Contra Costa County newspaper article, dating back to April, 1981, gave the story of Hercules. The subheading of the article pretty much said it all, "Device Could Make Hercules a Silicon Valley."

In 1981, Hercules had developed a small electronic power supply the size of a tissue box, designed to specifically feed 30,000 volts of electricity to another device, a METC (Modular Energy Transfer Catalyzer) unit, that would cut the heating and cooling time in food processing and of making glass, metal and other products by 40 percent.

The METC unit, patented by Interprobe of Chicago, worked by electrostatically exciting air molecules by moving them through a charged field. This removed a boundary layer of molecules that inhibited the exchange of thermal energy. Hercules' highvoltage power supply was essential to the application of Interprobe's METC unit, so both companies were in the process of working out a merger in order to market both technologies as a complete system.

Admiral Henry Rankin, vice president of Interprobe, was a longtime family friend, and was very enthuiastic about incorporating the Hercules power pack with Interprobe's high voltage electrostatic technology.

So Interprobe (of that 1976 electrostatic patent on Rex Research site) is a family friend of Hercules...

My brain is spaghetti.

Man. Google. Okay, here is a 1973 Popular Science article on the technology. I guess there are quite a few net conspiracy heads following this 'Octopus' thing.

What the heck, since that's a Word doc I'll just paste the whole thing.

From March 1973 Popular Science Magazine (pg. 26):

Incredible New Probe Puts the Freeze on Hot Spots – Instantly

Static electricity produces “electric wind” that actually cools

By E. F. Lindsley

Place this unique new probe within inches of a red-hot resistance heating coil and in moments the glowing filament turns dull black, as if struck by a chilling wind. Come in close to the back side of an 1100 degree F copper strip, and the magical wand cools the plate 300 degrees in seconds.

Magic? Nope, just static electricity – some 20,000 volts of it – gushing out of a high voltage probe to mysteriously cool anything in its way.

I know it sounds unbelievable, but I saw these and other fantastic demonstrations as Oscar Blomgren Jr., VP if Inter-Probe, Inc., in Chicago, put electrostatic cooling through its paces. Even if electrostatic cooling were more than a scientific demonstration, it would still be fascinating - and puzzling.

One of Blomgren’s more spectacular demonstrations involves a piece of Kleenex held in a propane-torch flame without burning – as long as the static probe is charged. Blomgren doesn’t feel this is a truly valid demonstration since the tissue is backed by a screen wire that is cooled by the field and acts like water in a cooking vessel. The fact remains, however, that without his static field, the tissue burns.

Wind at work. Blomgren pointed out that his “electric wind” is already being put to work in many areas. On his desk were some short metal tubes he’d brought from Detroit the night before – housings for solenoid switches that mount on top of automotive starters. They looked like canisters with one end belled out. Since they were made by rolling and then welding the seam before expanding the bell mouth, there had been trouble with weld-seam splitting.

The day before, some tests pieces had been welded with Blomgren’s high-voltage probe following close behind the weld roller. Photomicrographs of the seam showed that electrostatic cooling had a major effect on the metal. The tubes welded without cooling showed coarse grain structure and poor merging into the unwelded area. With electrostatic cooling, the grain structure was refined and a more subtle merging from seam to parent metal was obvious.

A similar result had been obtained by a Swiss maker of circular hose clamps. Some of the clamps are used to secure the telescoping parts of collapsible steering columns. High quality is vital. Manufacture starts with spiral winding and welding of sheet metal into tubing. Running the probe and its charged field just behind the welding head had improved metal structure and deferred the fatigue limit of the clamps by several test cycles.

How does it work? It may be that no one is sure yet just how electrostatic cooling works. Blomgren discovered, more or less by accident, that 15 to 60 kv introduced as a space charge into a heating object’s proximity causes instant cooling.

Dr. K. G. Kibler, Senior Research Scientist at General Dynamics, explains the effect in terms of an “electric wind” that breaks up inert insulating boundary layers of air at the heated surface. To date, Kibler’s explanation seems to be the most reasonable answer.

A Van de Graaff static-electricity generator of the high-school physics variety can be – has been – used to demonstrate the effect. The charge is not dangerous; currents are in the microamp range. The demonstration works best if the probe is negatively charged.

Commercially, of course, more sophisticated static generators are used. The electronic version I saw was about the size of a bread box and plugged into a wall socket. Although it produced sufficient voltage to create the cooling effect, it was nothing compared to some of the fields used by Blomgren. His tests have involved applied fields two or three inches wide by some 40 feet long. The energy is low, however, and a big industrial unit of this type may only pull a mere six watts of power.

Cools just about anything. Cooling is effective with nonmetallic materials, even plastics. The actual results depend to some extent on the temperature of the surrounding air or other gas. At welding temperatures, reductions of 400 to 500 degrees F are obtained. Even in lower ranges, with infrared optics, for example, parts running at 250-300 degrees drop to 100-140 degrees F.

Other applications of electrostatic cooling are heat treating and metal coating by the plasma process. Deposited metal cooled by air jets or other conventional means tends to cool from the outside in and leave voids and uneven subsurface structures. Static cooling seems to work from the inside out. AT least it produces a uniform metal structure.

Nondestructive testing appears to be another ability of electrostatic cooling. Although there are many ways to detect metal defects, including magnetic, dye-penetrant, and ultrasonic, few are readily adapted to the quick evaluation of a progressive weld. Blomgren found that when he cooled a weld seam to improve its metal structure, scanning the area by infrared revealed defects as sharp black spots. Apparently, the anomalies cooled at a rate different from that of solid metal.

Carried to its industrial application, such a cooler and scanning device could follow directly behind a welder and sound an immediate alarm when the weld goes wrong. Thus, the bad spot could be cut out and repaired.

In addition to obvious welding applications, electrostatic cooling could be used in basic steel processing, mineral refining, aerospace, plastics, and the like. An electrostatic field in the hot areas of a jet or gas-turbine engine, for example, might hold working parts below critical temperatures and still allow higher gas temperatures for increased output.

Actual patents include cooling metal-cutting tools, heat exchangers, X-ray target wheels, and even the creation of a charged interface between diesel or jet fuel and water in storage vessels to inhibit organism growth. Right now, electrostatic cooling appears to have a potential as high as the voltage at the end of the probe.

So. Michael Riconosciuto's groundbreaking 'new' electrostatic cooling process, which he claims he used on the F-111 refit in the early 1980s and developed until 1984 for other weapon effects, was basically his extension of Blomgren's patent. Blomgren's company being run by a close family friend, and they're all intelligence people.

Wanna bet that Blomgren was the real originator of that technology?
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Postby Mikado14 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:24 pm

Oh shit..........did you see the cat? All I saw was his smile.

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Postby Rose » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:52 pm

I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning....

I've tried to catch up this morning, thrown mental red flags everywhere. i'm just going to gather up as many as i can here and fling them as I go First i want to repeat Mr. T's post from the Science section:

There are direct connections between the "electrohydrodynamic pineapple bomb", a genius named "Mike", his partner... more than a genius ... named "Lavas", The Cabazon Indians, the NRO, The CIA , oh lets see a whole slew of situations that have been hinted about but never actually brought to the surface and yes.... it is slowly becoming time. twigsnapper

From viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6&start=15

I think all that he describes (for background, see the Helicopter Crashes, Wackenhut, and Underground UFO Bases linked upthread) represents the puzzle as it appeared in 1991. But I have a feeling the first fragmentation of the puzzle started back at NRL between 1930-1942.

The lab, Thomas Edison's baby, would have been the elite place to be for up and coming young physicists in those days. Gunn joined the organization in 1927 after acquiring a Ph.D from Yale. I'm sure the younger and far-less educated kid who arrived with his own laboratory prepared to work with Gunns boss torqued his jaws just a bit . (Interestingly we see history repeating itself with the 16 year-old Mike R.)

The Laboratory's two original divisions, Radio and Sound, pioneered in the fields of high-frequency radio and underwater sound propagation. They produced communications equipment, direction-finding devices, sonar sets, and, perhaps most significant of all, the first practical radar equipment built in this country. They also performed basic research, participating, for example, in the discovery and early exploration of the ionosphere.

But military funding of all kinds was seriously cut back in the early thirties...part of the reason TTB was placed on reserve status, no doubt. Gunn in his new (1934) position as Technical Director of the lab would have had to pitch a bitch fit to break loose funding for the development of our radar development (and thank God for all of us that he did!). Was that when military R&D programs began to go black in a big way?

Anyway, the purported article from the purported TC Technical Consulting whatever (I'm skeptical of sources when I can't triangulate their existence through other references) describes the outcome of all of this by the late 1980's:

"So what we have here is a situation where you've got our major aerospace companies heavily implicated. I mean this is what is meant by the Military-Industrial Complex. These companies are HEAVILY implicated in super, super secret projects, and at the very top they're all cooperating together. All the 'bidding wars' and every thing that you see are like mid-level smoke and mirrors. But at the very top we're talking about projects that are conducted by all these different people pooling their resources, pooling their information, and indeed pooling their money, which comes in incredible profusion from the Black Budget.

Somewhere along the way what started out as fragments of pure research became further splintered by the twin needs of secrecy and sponsorship. With the introduction of WWII and the subsequent proliferation of intelligence services, suddenly hundreds of alliances and objectives were put into play. The Navy, the cusodian of the original science may have had the leg up on everyone else initially, but they appear to lost ground along the way. However, if Branton is to be believed Naval Intelligence are the white hats of the black world:

"Unsubstantiated information from an intelligence source claims that the current situation is the visible effect OF A WAR CURRENTLY GOING ON IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY between a group centered in the CIA called Aquarius (around a powerful center known as MJ-12) and a group known as COM-12 centered around Naval Intelligence. COM-12 is reputedly trying to sustain a rearguard action to sustain and preserve constitutional government and is deliberately LEAKING INFORMATION damaging to the former group." (Take note of William 'Bill' Cooper's pro-constitution, anti-MJ/12 writings and his past association with high levels of Naval Intelligence - Branton) [Note; Branton is quoted quite often in Helicopter Crashes, Wackenhut, and Underground UFO Bases. He appears to be this person:, heaviiy into abductions, grays and reptilians]

Let's revisit this link from the front page of the TTB forum:

A few years ago while in San Francisco, Bob Woodwa rd made an intriguing remark. He told the San Francisco Chronicle he wouldn’t expose Deep Throat until the man died but that when he died people would begin to research the case and one thing would lead to another. Woodward said it would all lead to a “fantastic�? discovery.

Now that we know that Deep Throat was W. Mark Felt, former #2 man at the FBI and the architect of J. Edgar Hoover’s COINTELPRO scheme to thwart the lives of thousands of anti-Vietnam war dissidents, the question looms large. What “fantastic�? discovery was Woodward referring to?

In early Watergate contacts, Mark Felt told Woodward that the White House “regarded the stakes in Watergate as much higher than anyone outside perceived.�? Felt “made veiled references to the CIA and national security.�? In All The President’s Men, Woodward expanded on the subject as follows. At the height of his investigation, Woodward met with Felt, whose hands were shaking. Woodward’s notes say Felt said “everyone’s life was in danger…. “The covert activities involve the whole US intelligence community and are incredible. (Felt) refused to give specifics because it is against the law. The cover-up has little to do with Watergate, but was mainly to protect the covert operation.�? (p. 72-3, 318 All the President’s Men)

I can see a possible connection between Feit's statement way back in 197? and the 1991 Helicopter article and but I sure as heck haven't figured out the Watergate connection yet

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Postby natecull » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:28 pm

Rose wrote:I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning....

Know the feeling! Yikes.

In early Watergate contacts, Mark Felt told Woodward that the White House “regarded the stakes in Watergate as much higher than anyone outside perceived.�? Felt “made veiled references to the CIA and national security.�? In All The President’s Men, Woodward expanded on the subject as follows. At the height of his investigation, Woodward met with Felt, whose hands were shaking. Woodward’s notes say Felt said “everyone’s life was in danger…. “The covert activities involve the whole US intelligence community and are incredible. (Felt) refused to give specifics because it is against the law. The cover-up has little to do with Watergate, but was mainly to protect the covert operation.�? (p. 72-3, 318 All the President’s Men)[/i]

I can see a possible connection between Feit's statement way back in 197? and the 1991 Helicopter article and but I sure as heck haven't figured out the Watergate connection yet


And right after Watergate, the MKULTRA documents were trashed.

Oh, and 'W B Smyth' (a reference to Wilbert B Smith?) refs the Navy / Air Force hostility too. It seems to be a recurring theme in Old Navy Guy stories. ... index.html

And similar sentiments elsewhere:

"If the Soviets were the competition, Livermore was the enemy," said Dr. Gusterson of M.I.T. ... lamos.html

"This is a new contract, with a new team, marking a new approach to the management of Los Alamos," Secretary of Energy Samuel W. Bodman told reporters yesterday in Washington. "It is not a continuation of the previous contract."

The team, named Los Alamos National Security, is to begin running Los Alamos in June.

Richard Sterling, an engineer at the University of California, Berkeley, who in newspaper articles had criticized Lockheed Martin, said he was relieved.

"It's pretty sad when one is forced to root for Bechtel," Mr. Sterling said. "I'm surprised but glad. The lesser of two evils has won."

"The big mystery is why U.C. wanted the contract," Dr. Gusterson said. "In the last 15 years, it's brought them nothing but grief."
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Postby Rose » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:51 am

Nate, I've been browsing the online book you found on Robert Booth Nichols, Mark's brother. I believe he ended up serving time for dipping into the accounts of the Morongo Casino, near Cabazon. FYI, the Cabazon band has a checkerboard reservation at the other end of the Coachella Valley, around Indio I know this because we used to attend a sweat lodge on Cabazon land down there. This was also the area where the Odlum ranch was located.

My jaw dropped at the author's description of the Kennedy Assasination video that she was shown by RBN:

I was becoming unresponsive to the game, so I presume Nichols decided it was time to "set the hook." It was not until two years later that I understood the significance of this incident. At one point during our conversation, and completely out of context with what we were discussing, Nichols played a video tape of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The southern wall of Nichols' apartment contained a sixfootwide screen on which I watched a blownup (enlarged), slow motion "uncut" version of the famous Zapruder film.

I watched what appeared to be the standard media version of the film, seen so many times in film clips over the years, but then Nichols slowed the camera even more, and on the sixfoot screen, I observed the driver of the limousine turn to his right, first looking at Connolly, then at Kennedy. The driver's left hand came over his right shoulder, and he was holding a long barreled gun. Smoke and a bullet emerged from the gun, traveling ever so slowly across the screen into Kennedy's head, blowing brain tissue into the air as he fell back against the seat.

Littman and Zokosky and I stared at the scene in silence, unable to believe what we were seeing. Nichols then changed the tape and showed what he described as the "media" version of the Zapruder tape. In the media version, the driver continued to drive, unflinching, as the shots rang out. Then the scene switched to the back part of the limousine.

At this point, Nichols stopped the frame and pointed with a stick at a tree in the background behind the limousine. From the middle of the tree to the ground, there was no trunk, just air. The top part of the tree was growing in air!

….I wondered if the video had been tampered with. I asked Nichols where he had obtained the original "uncut" version? He would not say. I had no idea at that time that his F.I.D.C.O. partner, Clint Murchison, Jr.'s father had had instant access to the Zapruder film immediately after the assassination in Dallas, Texas.

I was also very intrigued by this exchange about Lebanon, because we were searching for the leftovers of the Atlas Group earlier this week, i found an Atlas Group entry about the reconstruction of Lebanon at

CM: "He [Michael] talked about an interesting operation in Lebanon."
Nichols: "What was it called, the operation? I've heard of quite a few projects in Lebanon. If I've heard of it, I'll tell you."

CM: "Well, what was the code name of the one that you heard about?"
Nichols: "Wa Latteral."
CM: "Wa Latteral? And what type of operation was that?"
Nichols: "Well, it was trading in two directions. Now what's yours?"
CM: "Same thing."
Nichols: "Wa Latteral? Yours is the same name?"
CM: "No. I've never heard that name before."
Nichols: "Well, what was the code word of the one Michael said he was involved in?"
CM: "I would have to go over all of my notes, to tell you the truth. It didn't seem important at the time, so I don't have it off the top of my head ..."
Nichols: "What the project was, I can tell you very clearly, there's nothing secret about it now, was to develop an agenda whereby all sides, the Muslim and the Christian sides, would come to an agreement on a redevelopment project to where their respective areas would have the same capitalization, and the same benefit to stop the fighting."
CM: "Did this include rebuilding of the infrastructure of Beirut?"
Nichols: "Very definitely."
CM: "Did this have anything to do with FIDCO?"
Nichols: "Uh, FIDCO was involved in it, right. That was an effort by that company, as I understood it ... the project was to make sure that both sides developed building programs that were initiated concurrently and the development was fair and equitable to all sides, to stop the fighting."
(I wondered why an "arms dealer" wanted to stop the fighting in Lebanon?)

And finally, the book included this description of the Lavas mentioned by Mr T.

Tony Patterson and Raymond Lavas (Ted Gunderson's former forensics expert) through Bobby Riconosciuto. Tony Patterson had allegedly served with Robert Booth Nichols in Vietnam, and Raymond Lavas had access to Michael Riconosciuto's hidden computer tapes.

I need to go soak my head and cool it down before i fry some circuits!

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Postby natecull » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:57 am

Offtopic, but maybe apropos to a new phase and things 'coming into the light'. Maybe we need an 'Inspirations' section? From a book of Celtic blessings I just picked up: 'Benedictus' by John O'Donohue - ... 756&sr=8-2

The Greeks believed that time had secret structure. There was the moment of 'epiphany' when time suddenly opened and something was revealed in luminous clarity. There was the moment of 'krisis' when time got entangled and directions became confused and contradictory. There was also the moment of 'kairos'; this was the propitious moment. Time opened up in kindness and promise. All the energies cohered to offer a fecund occasion of initiative, creativity and promise. Part of the art of living wisely is to learn to recognise and attend to such profound openings in one's life. In the letters between Boris Pasternak and Olga Ivanskya, collected in A Captive of Time, there is the beautiful recognition: 'When a great moment knocks on the door of your life, its sound is often no louder than the beating of your heart and it is very easy to miss it.' To live a conscious life, we need to constantly refine our listening.

A Morning Offering

I bless the night that nourished my heart
To set the ghosts of longing free
Into the flow and figure of dream
That went to harvest from the dark
Bread for the hunger no one sees

All that is eternal in me
Welcomes the wonder of this day
The field of brightness it creates
Offering time for each thing
To arise and illuminate

I place on the altar of dawn
The quiet loyalty of breath
The tent of thought where I shelter
And all beauty drawn to the eye

May my mind come alive today
To the invisible geography
That invites me to new frontiers
To break the dead shell of yesterdays
To risk being disturbed and changed

May I have the courage today
To live the life that I would love
To postpone my dream no longer
But do at last what I came here for
And waste my heart on fear no more

If there is any power in these words, let it be done.
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