The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

A general discussion re: the (secret?) consortium which seems to have influenced the life and work of Townsend Brown

Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby natecull » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:58 am

AM2 wrote:Eldridge Johnson had a passion for "all things Alice".


It's interesting how Alice seems to have become the symbol for all things secret and mystical, as well as scientifically weird. I love both books myself.

Random Google snarfing: From a lady called Sherry Ackerman's 'Behind the Looking Glass', which argues (I think, having only read the web-accessible preface) that Alice is a Neoplatonic or theosophical work:
http://www.c-s-p.org/Flyers/Behind-the- ... -486-3.htm

Alan Gauld, author of The Founders of Psychical Research, estimated that, in England, by the 1860’s and 70’s, “...the existence of four fairly successful periodicals suggest that the number of active Spiritualists must have been well into five figures. The numbers of those influenced by Spiritualism, or at least interested in it, may have been perhaps ten times greater. The Society for Psychical Research was founded in February 1882 and Charles Lutwidge Dodgson’s name appears in the charter list of members, along with William Gladstone, Arthur Balfour, Alfred Tennyson and John Ruskin, dated 1883.


Seems like you couldn't swing a white rabbit in late nineteenth to early 20th century England without hitting a dozen peers of the realm who were at least a little sympathetic to 'inter-dimensional communication'. Maybe I'm reaching a bit too far with the Balfour connection?

Well, while I'm reaching... Linda, this may amuse you. Sherry Ackerman's other book is called 'Dressage in the Fourth Dimension'. http://www.dressageinthefourth.com/
It's a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby twigsnapper » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:08 pm

Nate,

No, you have not gone too far. In fact you are in some very fruitful territory where swinging rabbits about may just be ... enlightening.

And yes I do believe that Linda would enjoy that post. In fact I think that she just may have that book. But as with many things. She has already been there. One lady, one sensitive horse and desert moonlight and you can watch some amazing interactions. Between the heartbeats. between the breaths is a very amazing place. twigsnapper
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Alice & The Rabbit, Reginald & Arthur

Postby Paul S. » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:06 pm

natecull wrote:It's interesting how Alice seems to have become the symbol for all things secret and mystical, as well as scientifically weird. I love both books myself.


I had pretty much the same thought recently, when I found myself reiterating the Alice and Matrix "red pill/blue pill" metaphors. I found myself compelled to make the point that "this story comes by the use of the metaphor honestly...." since Johnson had that manuscript on board The Caroline.

This discussion of Balfour and his occult leanings is intriguing.

Now, let's see, where is the intersection between Balfour and Reginald "Blinker" Hall? Find that point, and I think you've found your Caroline connection...

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:13 pm

Paul,

I don't know much about the circumstances or the characters yet, but this is a start.

http://libraryautomation.com/nymas/propagandapaper.html

"The Admiralty outstripped the War Office. Thanks to the activities of Sir Reginald "Blinker" Hall, the Director of Naval Intelligence and Captain Guy Gaunt, the admiralty led in the organization of propaganda. Gaunt was the head of Naval Intelligence in the US and a liaison with Wilson’s advisor Colonel Edward M. House. The two got on so well that House wrote to the British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour:

"I want to express my high regard and appreciation of Captain Gaunt. I doubt whether you can realize the great service he has rendered our two countries. His outlook is so broad and he is so self-contained and fair-minded that I have been able to go to him at all times to discuss, very much as I would with you, the problems that have arisen."

Gaunt and Hall realized that a major counter-propaganda event would be the exposé of Central Powers' espionage activities in the US, especially those which endangered US neutrality. Gaunt also liaised with Emmanuel Voska, a colleague of Masaryk, who had developed the spy network mentioned above. Colonel House also became friendly with Gaunt’s temporary replacement as liaison, William Wiseman, the head of Bristish Military Intelligence in America. Gaunt and Wiseman became rivals and the latter won out as conduit between House and Balfour upon America’s intervention."

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:27 pm

And I understand that Sir William Wiseman became Sir William Stephensons "mentor" in the world of intelligence gathering, I need a chart and plenty of pins and string! Elizabeth
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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Radomir » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:58 pm

I hadn't thought to ask before now, but unless Mr. Twigsnapper is feeling generous, anyone want to hazard a guess as to who the historical personage(s) might have been at the (visible or invisible) helm of the Caroline group before Blinker Hall? Immediately before would help with tracing a longer historical arc, but guesses or suppositions going even further back would be welcome. Do we have enough of a sense of the motivations and operational method of TCG to guess? Or might we assume that in previous eras it operated even further beneath the veil than it has in the past century?

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Trickfox » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:58 pm

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:And I understand that Sir William Wiseman became Sir William Stephensons "mentor" in the world of intelligence gathering, I need a chart and plenty of pins and string! Elizabeth


Dear Lord,
May you always protect our Elizabeth from the dreaded "John-Nash syndrome" and let her freely explore this rabbit hole....
In Alice's name we ask. Amen!


I think Radomir's idea of going back further is excellent. Worth looking into.


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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:07 pm

Radomir wrote:I hadn't thought to ask before now, but unless Mr. Twigsnapper is feeling generous, anyone want to hazard a guess as to who the historical personage(s) might have been at the (visible or invisible) helm of the Caroline group before Blinker Hall? Immediately before would help with tracing a longer historical arc, but guesses or suppositions going even further back would be welcome. Do we have enough of a sense of the motivations and operational method of TCG to guess? Or might we assume that in previous eras it operated even further beneath the veil than it has in the past century?

R.


I have a lady friend who is rapidly becoming a download queen in her own right but it is very selective. One item she has mentioned is the following: Recall if you can, the picture of a young Townsend Brown sitting at a table on board the Caroline. My lady says that someone important was present but not in the picture.

If you are being so generous Mr. Twigsnapper, perhaps you could confirm if you know. I feel as though I should be wishing upon a star instead. However, I do have a certain faith in what she says, even if she is looking at boots....<g>....inside joke if she reads this.

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby twigsnapper » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:44 am

Thank your ladyfriend Mikado. regarding those muddy boots.

Not sure where I wanted to put this but have decided it needs to be here Paul. You might not understand this quite yet but I need to put it out there, and this is for you too Linda. twigsnapper

"Nothing here is different
Nothings changed at all
Livingston's gone to Texas
They say he had a ball

They say he learned to be a cowboy
They say he learned to rope and ride
But I wonder if he ever thinks about the tears his woman cried

Now Holly won't you let me
Try and make you smile
You loved him as if he were your husband
Now he'll be gone awhile

Wrote he had to see the country
On starry nights he wished that you were there
And so it shows wherever he goes
Deep inside you know he really cares

It's crazy and it's different
But it's really being free
And reasons the world would want to question
Makes sense to you and me

Nothing here is different
Nothing's changed at all
Livingston's still in Texas
The snows about to fall
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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:49 am

twigsnapper wrote:Thank your ladyfriend Mikado. regarding those muddy boots.


If it is what I think you mean....you SOB you....respectfully of course <g>


twigsnapper wrote:Livingston's still in Texas
The snows about to fall


Some winter's are mild
Snow doesn't always fall
For Livingston may be warm
As a certain puppy was.

Herding cattle across the open plain
Lightning showing the way
If I have any say in this
The puppy will show the way

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby grinder » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:09 am

How can anybody keep up.

I have a suggestion for your question Radomir. Kevin just gave it to us in one of his latest posts,
Radomir, you posted this|
" hadn't thought to ask before now, but unless Mr. Twigsnapper is feeling generous, anyone want to hazard a guess as to who the historical personage(s) might have been at the (visible or invisible) helm of the Caroline group before Blinker Hall? Immediately before would help with tracing a longer historical arc, but guesses or suppositions going even further back would be welcome. Do we have enough of a sense of the motivations and operational method of TCG to guess? Or might we assume that in previous eras it operated even further beneath the veil than it has in the past century?

And then kevin mentioned this, which I thought was really odd because the name Bergier seemed to reach up out of nowhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Unknown_Men

You asked how old? Might this fit?
"According to occult lore, the Nine Unknown Men are a two millennia-old secret society founded by the Indian Emperor Asoka c. 270 BCE. According to the legend, upon his conversion to Buddhism after a massacre during one of his wars, the Emperor founded the society of the Nine to preserve and develop knowledge that would be dangerous to humanity if it fell into the wrong hands. Some versions of the story include an additional motivation for the Emperor to conceal scientific knowledge: remnants of the Rama Empire, an Indian version of Atlantis, which according to Hindu scripture was destroyed by advanced weaponry 15,000 years ago.

Course, what happened to "remember the women?" grinder
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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby htmagic » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:00 pm

grinder wrote:How can anybody keep up.

I have a suggestion for your question Radomir. Kevin just gave it to us in one of his latest posts,
Radomir, you posted this|
" hadn't thought to ask before now, but unless Mr. Twigsnapper is feeling generous, anyone want to hazard a guess as to who the historical personage(s) might have been at the (visible or invisible) helm of the Caroline group before Blinker Hall? Immediately before would help with tracing a longer historical arc, but guesses or suppositions going even further back would be welcome. Do we have enough of a sense of the motivations and operational method of TCG to guess? Or might we assume that in previous eras it operated even further beneath the veil than it has in the past century?

And then kevin mentioned this, which I thought was really odd because the name Bergier seemed to reach up out of nowhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Unknown_Men

You asked how old? Might this fit?
"According to occult lore, the Nine Unknown Men are a two millennia-old secret society founded by the Indian Emperor Asoka c. 270 BCE. According to the legend, upon his conversion to Buddhism after a massacre during one of his wars, the Emperor founded the society of the Nine to preserve and develop knowledge that would be dangerous to humanity if it fell into the wrong hands. Some versions of the story include an additional motivation for the Emperor to conceal scientific knowledge: remnants of the Rama Empire, an Indian version of Atlantis, which according to Hindu scripture was destroyed by advanced weaponry 15,000 years ago.

Course, what happened to "remember the women?" grinder

Grinder,

Wow! So you think the Nine Unknown Men may be part or the core of the Caroline Group (TCG)? If they really are ETs, could they live that long? The Stargate series used to think so. The ETs there could climb into this sarcophagus and be rejuvenated and restored. Daniel Jackson used it on his former wife, Shari, when she died after Ra (the ET) killed her. He brought her back from the dead after he placed her in the sarcophagus and resurrected her. The ETs were originally the Egyptian gods but on earth the humans revolted and suppressed their gods and buried the Stargate. It was discovered in an archaeological dig. Anyway, the ETs could live for thousands of years as long as they spent periodic time in their sarcophagus machine but too much use made them mean, arrogant, and intent on others to worship him(/her!) as a god.

Have you ever read the book of Enoch? It is an apocryphal book which means it is not in a standard Bible but considered a "gnostic" work. But it is interesting the small book of Jude has a quote directly out of the book of Enoch. Enoch was not considered a viable book to keep in the Bible as it talked about the fallen angels, the Nepthalim, and how they took human women and the giants were spawned from them. Some might consider those fallen as ETs. I never saw one so I can't tell you what they look like.

Considering these fallen angels take human women and spawn children, I would assume they were all male. Are there any female angels in the Bible? We see pictures of female angels but in the Bible all I read was Lucifer (prince of the angels before his fall), Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and the ones I read appeared to be male. But I'm sure you heard the old joke about assumptions that make an ass out of you and me (ass u me)!

As for groups, some say the Illuminati are tied with the Masons who had their beginnings with the Knights Templar. And then there is "the Secret" and also the jade tablet. So there are stories and myths that abound. Maybe TCG is some of them, maybe all of them. We were told that the people varied and I believe the group expanded and contracted in membership as required. I believe it was compartmentalized as discussed and only a select few knew the "entire picture". Just like on the Manhattan Project. A worked was asked what she was making and she responded $1.25 an hour! Ah, those were the good ol' days, eh? They were too far back for me to know but some will know what I'm talking about.

It doesn't matter really about speculating what the Caroline Group really is. If it is secret, it will remain secret no matter how long you or I can speculate. We do not have a "need to know" and they sure will not tell us, unless it suits their purpose. And even if they told one and denied it to all the rest, the one would seem like a raving lunatic. Just like they probably did to TT Brown, Tesla, Moray, Reich, Rife, and probably a good amount before and after their times... I think TT Brown knew how they operated so that is why he ran his own disinformation campaign to throw others off the real track. But that is speculation too. But I think once he did this, he could spend more time with his family and others would leave him alone... Again, pure speculation but it makes sense and I could see his motive for doing so.

The only ones any of us know that have/had connections to TCG were Mr. Twigsnapper and Morgan (but he's supposedly dead but that's what they said the first time so who knows?) God knows and that is whom I trust in. Does the "Universal Consciousness" know? Is it the same thing we call God? I do not know. Maybe that is the term we physical beings wish to describe to the "central nervous system (CNS) of the universe" for what is clearly considered a "spiritual" and not a scientific experience. We have to pin attributes on an invisible spirit (the aether?) that resides in a place called "heaven". It appears strange to some. But to "beam" thoughts from the mind into space to contact a god does not appear to attract the attention of many (if any) scientists. They would call it "mystical BS" and leave in their smug way. Or maybe tear your heart out and hand it back to you as was reported of Admiral "Blinker" Hall in Wikipedia. So if he was part of TCG, we know that some members were cold-hearted SOBs. But based upon Paul's story, apparently Dr. Brown was not. Apparently according to Linda when he took off his glasses then watch out! I think she saw this at Decker's lab...

Ramblings of another hobbit? Perhaps.
Perhaps the magician can morph into a hobbit or whatever he feels like... :)

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:00 pm

MagicBill,

You sure covered alot of ground.

I'm just grabbing this one piece regarding Blinker Hall having " no heart". Thats what they said about Balfour too.... and the " Balfour Manner" described someone who seemingly could walk away from human pain and suffering as if they didn't care. They also said of Balfour that he "" Acted as if he knew all about the previous ice age and knew of the next one coming." which has to be an amazing source of reference. Maybe when you operate in that kind of frame just letting humans be humans seems cruel.

And though Townsend Brown seemed not to share that attribute, I am certain that others around him did. He is pictured as smiling... our own boyscout in search of his decoder ring but he is constantly surrounded by those whose hearts just might not be all that warm and I include Morgan and our revered Mr. Twigsnapper ( by his own admission) in that statement.

I have my moments MagicBill but I need my glasses too much.

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby Mikado14 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:17 pm

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote: Maybe when you operate in that kind of frame just letting humans be humans seems cruel.


Is it cruel to watch your child learn how to walk, even though you see a fall coming? Or watch a fox you raised learn to kill for survival?

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:And though Townsend Brown seemed not to share that attribute, I am certain that others around him did. He is pictured as smiling... our own boyscout in search of his decoder ring but he is constantly surrounded by those whose hearts just might not be all that warm and I include Morgan and our revered Mr. Twigsnapper ( by his own admission) in that statement.



Soldiers and Scientist. For those of you that might recognize this....you still need the Tarakians.

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Re: The Balfour Cross-Correspondences

Postby htmagic » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:45 pm

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:MagicBill,

You sure covered alot of ground.

Sure did. Sorry for waffling about...

I'm just grabbing this one piece regarding Blinker Hall having " no heart". Thats what they said about Balfour too.... and the " Balfour Manner" described someone who seemingly could walk away from human pain and suffering as if they didn't care. They also said of Balfour that he "" Acted as if he knew all about the previous ice age and knew of the next one coming." which has to be an amazing source of reference. Maybe when you operate in that kind of frame just letting humans be humans seems cruel.

It goes back to what Mikado said about knowing something and allowing it to happen...

And though Townsend Brown seemed not to share that attribute, I am certain that others around him did. He is pictured as smiling... our own boyscout in search of his decoder ring but he is constantly surrounded by those whose hearts just might not be all that warm and I include Morgan and our revered Mr. Twigsnapper ( by his own admission) in that statement.

I have my moments MagicBill but I need my glasses too much.


Elizabeth

Elizabeth,

I need my glasses too. I cannot see well without them...

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