Hidden but why

[kevin.b]

Htmagic,
The drawings by Walter Russell are simplified, imo, and are the flows pathways shown independant of what they are travelling upon.
I also find the flows are independant of each other , and travelling in both directions at once.
Thus all formed matter and mass can employ both positive and negative to sustain form.
nothing actually exists as anything like a permanent solid , Russell tells it well, saying everything is held in a condition, in it's field, and as long as the condition is maintained, then the on/off switching of the hologram remains the same.

If you can visualise those spiral cones all meeting at a point on the surface, and the surface is wherever it is, because the point is a vertical point out into space.
Then instead of just the few shown, you need to visualise ever so many from all around 360 degrees of the point and in arcs above the point, as per the rainbow.
The incoming negative signals and the outgoing positive signals are then available to create and sustain whatever they encounter, and as long as a balance of these is maintained, then whatever has been created and exists will maintain.
As each and every incoming and outgoing flow content is constantly variable due to all other mass upon the flows alignment routes, then the resultant condition will alter, hence if you re-create the specific condition relevant to anywhere or time, then enter that condition, then there you must be, because thats the only place or time where that specific condition is.

We have been TOLD, TOLD, TOLD that things are solid and permanent, millions of years old, instead think of everything as quite recent, with the condition determining what anything is .

This is though where it gets sort of scary, if you think this system out, then at very specific times where huge flows occur along certain alignments, then the mixture and balance must be vastly altered, in the blink of an eye, no-thing.
if nothing is but merely a balance of how it constantly switchs on/off , and maintains as long as the flows contents remain reasonably constant, then any surge along field patterns will cause sudden vast dissolvement, or as Russell calls it degeneration, zapped back to space, the dragons will belsh fire, or plasma.
Kevin

[Griffin]

Yes, Kevin-

That’s how energetic healing can work. Instantaneous transformation can happen when the underlying pattern is changed through energetics and intentionality. In a flash, even. It makes no sense, of course, in a conventional way of thinking.

As ever, frolicking with dragons and transforming paradigms,

Griffin

[Trickfox]

Hello everyone
This is another great thread. I have no coments to make so far except to say that I'm very interested in seeing the Curve Calculator math. Also nice to hear Mr. Twigsnapper's coments on slowing down a bit. I took his avice and I'm benefitting from a pause in downloads for a while. This is turning out well since the sun came out. I needed that radiaion energy and Vitamin D anyhow. The Walter Russell angle is very fascinating. Think I will contiue to lurk a while.

Trickfox

[kevin.b]

Trickfox,
Good to hear from you, and to know you are relaxing, whilst you are sunbathing , think.
What is occuring in the sun so called shine?
I fink it's field alignment, where the resonant field of that dirty great lump of rock called the sun hits the surface , and the resonant field of tiny earth is interefered with and jiggles at the surface, the sun will be a massive positive point drawing towards itself negative, thus TAKING from earth, not shineing on earth, of course it's not an either or neither, and a dozen things will be been transmitted at once , both ways.
http://www.humanresonance.org/pyramid.html, i love the graphics especially, and the rest resonates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3RMut_8IxQ
This song called reynardine, is said to be about an irish Faery, that could transform its self into a fox, or anything, a super disguise expert?
Kevin

[Paul S.]

Hey kids...

I've taken a break from the editing to spend the better part of the past few hours going through the thread that has evolved here. It seems to me what we have here is a really compelling effort to try to reconcile things we've learned about Townsend Brown's mysterious life with the myriad other forces that were loosed on the world during the time period(s) that we've been looking at. It's really fascinating, there are so many surfaces to scratch and so much fertile ground in every new groove.

I don't know if it's still there, but the last time I went to Disneyland (lord, musta been like 20 years ago) there was an exhibit called the "360-degree Circle Theater" or something like that (sponsored, near as I can recall, by AT&T). It was, as the name implies, a circular movie theater. There were about a dozen curved screens arranged around the perimeter in a circle; a dozen projectors situated between the screens projected on the screen opposite. The audience stood inside the circle, leaning up against waist-high rails. You couldn't sit down, because you were constantly turning around to see what was happening on another screen. The experience was very visceral -- much more so than a conventional, single-screen cinema. There was one sequence in particular I recall where the cameras were mounted on an airplane that swooped into a canyon, and boy, you felt every bank and drop just like you were on the plane.

That's how it feels around here sometimes, doesn't it? Like we're all standing in the middle of this big, 360 degree circle theater, and each of us is operating his own projector, beaming a different angle of the story onto the screens.

Take this observation, for example, from the impossibly astute Langley-down-under, from his "SHADOE Government" post that rekindled this thread on Tuesday:

viewtopic.php?p=15716#p15716

The relationship between government and the people forever changed from 1942 and nowhere is this change more underlined than in the life of T Townsend Brown and his family. President Roosevelt warned us about it. Paul introduced a chapter with a quote from Roosevelt's speech about it. I might be wrong. But it makes sense to me.

I don't know if I wrote it in the book (yet?), but I do recall having a very similar thought when I started reading some about the inception of the Manhattan Project and the consummate need for secrecy that enveloped it. Unprecedented for the time but relatively commonplace ever since. Not only in its thoroughness but, ultimately, in its ineffectiveness -- since the Manhattan Project was pretty well infiltrated from the moment they closed the doors behind it. Nevertheless, the timing is interesting, and just seeing that date -- 1942 -- in this context reminds me that that was also the year that Townsend Brown parted company with the Navy.

Is there a connection? Was Townsend Brown's departure from the Navy somehow related to the beginnings of the Manhattan Project? Was Groves given purview over anything having remotely to do with esoteric physics that might have some bearing on even more advanced weapons development? Darned if I know. Other than what's been alluded to here, I haven't really been given any solid leads that would answer those kinds of questions. Still... the timing... just seems... so.... conspicuous.

Then natecull followed Langely's post with his own an intriguing proposition, another projector beaming a flickering image on another screen:

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Or are there 'other forces', agencies that could be considered 'spiritual', also working in the shadows, trying to protect mankind from science we're not yet ready to responsibly use? And are all the big DOE/DOD high-ups just as much in the dark about 'them' as everyone else?)

That, of course, sounds like what we've been calling "The Caroline Group," and raises the specter I discussed long ago about somebody/thing holding on to what we've referred to as "they keys to the Cosmic Ferrari." As in, "Sorry kids, this car is MUCY too powerful, you don't get the keys to that one, not yet anyway.... Maybe when you've shown us you can handle that Nuclear Corvette we let you have... "

Speaking of Morgan, here's another angle, another image projected onto another screen: I recently thumbed through some of my correspondence with Morgan, looking for the themes that informed our "conversations," trying to see anew what ideas need to be amplified in the re-write. Let me share with you all here an excerpt from a message he sent on Nov. 14, 2004:

So now we are openly talking about the "Caroline Core" which are as you have guessed .... shifted dimensional beings...... One question out of your lottery.

And yes .... one of the most important characteristics of the "set" is that it can PHYSICALLY make communications possible. There have been other methods of communications but Dr. Browns set was unique in the fact that the individual handling it did not have to possess special mentally enhanced traits to "receive". Sort of an "everyman's" version of the communications that have gone on for centuries.

Here also is the danger. What "everyman" is going to be in charge of such a device? Especially when its characteristics can lead to such things as time travel .... and how did Cook put it .... the bloodiest bomb ever built? Something like that.

I'll leave you to chew on the above for awhile.

Boy, there's a mouthful. The reference to Cook is a nod to Nick Cook's "Hunt for Zero Point;" Those of you who have read it will recall the exchange between Cook and his informant Dan Marckus, where Marckus referred to the potential flipside of "Zero Point Energy" to render "the bloodiest bomb ever built." Or, how did Hal Puthoff put it to Cook? "Enough energy in a cup of coffee to evaporate the oceans" ? Something like that.

Which, no doubt, is what natecull was driving at with this post:

viewtopic.php?p=15742#p15742

That's the feeling I get... not 'oh wow we have a huge discovery here', but 'oh man... THAT stuff, don't touch it, yes it looks shiny but there's no story here, nothing to see, move along'. Something queasily avoided and tiptoed around because it's just this unsolveable riddle that never even starts making sense. Because you just need this whole different mindset to even begin and it's all too mystical and weird. It might as well be 'alien technology', or it might be the ghost of Nikola Tesla rapping on an ouija board. It's that creepy old drunken uncle we can't make go away who occasionally says something *nearly* sensible...

The "ghost of Nikola Tesla" has been taken up elsewhere (Random Notes), but that creepy old drunken uncle... hah. Him I think I know pretty well.

This thread is so rich, I'm tempted to split off the recent section or relocate the whole thing to the "Second Draft" section of the forum (without the moderator protocols), because these are precisely the kinds of ideas I'm looking for, to have in the back of my mind as I work my way through all this material again. I think I've explained that the whole purpose of the "first draft" was just to throw the material at the "invisible armature" I imagined, so see what stuck and what shape it took. Now the task is to go back see what I missed along the way. The themes that have been raised here, I think, qualify in that regard.

And now I see kevin.b has chime in:

you need to visualise ever so many from all around 360 degrees of the point and in arcs above the point, as per the rainbow.

Just like I was saying. 360 degrees, a different perspective from every angle.

Don't hurt your neck turning your head too quickly.

--PS

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[Linda Brown]

AM,

You said

"You know what I would like to see Mr. Twigsnapper? The descendants of Dr. Kitselman, Dr. Sarbacher, Jacques Cornillon (and Bradford Shank) together at a conference along with Ms. Linda Brown. The window of opportunity is opening. Will this chance be grasped or will it pass unnoticed, because of the desire to wait and reach the plateau?"

And I agree with you entirely but I also realize that things mature in their own time. Yes, speaking only for myself ... that window will be grasped. The others have their own decisions to make but I will do everything in my power to assist with that exact meeting,

And do not think that other meetings are less important. Much happens when individuals meet face to face and can look into each others eyes..... and I can barely wait to see those other meetings happen too. Brainstorming will take on a whole new dimension. <g> sorry .... couldn't help myself! And I know you worry about opportunities being lost and never found again but I believe that many are like a spring out of a mountain. There is a never ending supply from the source. Sort of like love.

And Paul. I remember the Circle theatre and I agree with you. This is just like that and it takes some getting used to. This is not a linear growth pattern. If anything was reflected in a quantum manner this forum is it. Information is pouring in from all different directions and I wouldn't count on it becoming less with time. And at some point I think that you just may have to decide ,I guess, what works for you and what needs to be let go. Someone eventually will have a wonderful time with the clippings from your cutting room floor! Or perhaps yourself at a later date.

I always appreciate the quotes from Morgan of course. Will we ever be able to see that correspondence in total? You asked him once, remember?, if Iafter you were finished with the Brown story) if he might consider letting you write his story. His response was ... "you already are.". I think that I am not the only one who would love to see some more of his messages to you sort of in their own spot?

Linda

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[Langley]

Er, I meant the Ike Military Industrial complex speech when I said Roosevelt. Ike of course.

Sorry.

[natecull]

It's the man himself!

That's how it feels around here sometimes, doesn't it? Like we're all standing in the middle of this big, 360 degree circle theater, and each of us is operating his own projector, beaming a different angle of the story onto the screens.

Yes indeed.

Nevertheless, the timing is interesting, and just seeing that date -- 1942 -- in this context reminds me that that was also the year that Townsend Brown parted company with the Navy.

Is there a connection? Was Townsend Brown's departure from the Navy somehow related to the beginnings of the Manhattan Project? Was Groves given purview over anything having remotely to do with esoteric physics that might have some bearing on even more advanced weapons development? Darned if I know. Other than what's been alluded to here, I haven't really been given any solid leads that would answer those kinds of questions. Still... the timing... just seems... so.... conspicuous.

Well, since December 7 1941 was when WW2 began 'for real' for the USA (at least officially), after years of 'FDR kept us out of the War', I guess the start of 1942 would be when the doctrine of 'total war' started to get serious about eating science and the Constitution. I figure a lot of military research projects would have shifted into high gear that year. So it wouldn't necessarily be just Groves' lot pulling the strings, would it? Maybe it was bonanza time for anyone who had an esoteric physics project and a connected sponsor they could sell it to?

Or are there 'other forces', agencies that could be considered 'spiritual', also working in the shadows, trying to protect mankind from science we're not yet ready to responsibly use? And are all the big DOE/DOD high-ups just as much in the dark about 'them' as everyone else?)

That, of course, sounds like what we've been calling "The Caroline Group," and raises the specter I discussed long ago about somebody/thing holding on to what we've referred to as "they keys to the Cosmic Ferrari." As in, "Sorry kids, this car is MUCY too powerful, you don't get the keys to that one, not yet anyway.... Maybe when you've shown us you can handle that Nuclear Corvette we let you have... "

The "Caroline Group" and *way* more. Calling those who influence and protect us a 'group' would be like calling the Pacific Ocean 'a pond' or the Local Group of Galaxies... that kind of group. In the last two-three years, I've been reading quite a few "channelled" writings (owing to meeting my interesting neighbour who had an extended conversation with an entity claiming to be Saint Stephen in the 1970s) -- blew a few of my theological fuses but darnit the stuff makes *sense*, which is to say, I'm finding that lots of these writings cross-correlate with each other. To name a tiny few I've found interesting:

* Walter Russell
* Mary Baker Eddy
* Evelyn Underhill
* Emmanuel Swedenborg
* 'A Course In Miracles', the rediscovered original version put on the Web in 2000
* An interesting chappie calling himself 'Zodiac' ( http://www.christianspiritualism.org/me ... ctable.htm )
* A being called 'Emmanuel' - http://www.amazon.com/Emmanuels-Book-Ma ... 0553343874
* A big hulk of a 2007 textbook called 'Irreducible Mind' documenting 150 years of spooky science http://www.amazon.com/Irreducible-Mind- ... 149&sr=8-1
* Dean Radin's 'Entangled Minds' and Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer's 'Extraordinary Knowing', two great introductions to the intersection of ESP and physics
* near death experience researchers such as Raymond Moody
* psychic mediums such as Alison DuBois who are writing openly about their lives
* http://www.spiritwritings.com/ which has a huge archive of all sorts of this stuff

All of which I mention just as a cautionary note, that it seems whenever I read one of these mystical/mediumistic groups, the first thing they say is 'NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE HAS RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION SUCH AS WE!' and that's laughingly untrue. This kind of stuff is littered all over history, and the 'good' ones seem to be saying much the same thing. There is often a lot of unnecessary secrecy and fear coming from a sense that 'we're special and must protect this message at all costs!' Look at what happened to Scientology, for example. But the core of the message is actually as common as hydrogen: love your neighbour, look upward, be happy, listen to your heart, trust that there's a plan.

Specific technical details might be important, perhaps, and that might be what this particular 'Caroline Group' might be interested in guarding and protecting.

Speaking of Morgan, here's another angle, another image projected onto another screen: I recently thumbed through some of my correspondence with Morgan, looking for the themes that informed our "conversations," trying to see anew what ideas need to be amplified in the re-write. Let me share with you all here an excerpt from a message he sent on Nov. 14, 2004:

So now we are openly talking about the "Caroline Core" which are as you have guessed .... shifted dimensional beings...... One question out of your lottery.

And yes .... one of the most important characteristics of the "set" is that it can PHYSICALLY make communications possible. There have been other methods of communications but Dr. Browns set was unique in the fact that the individual handling it did not have to possess special mentally enhanced traits to "receive". Sort of an "everyman's" version of the communications that have gone on for centuries.

Here also is the danger. What "everyman" is going to be in charge of such a device? Especially when its characteristics can lead to such things as time travel .... and how did Cook put it .... the bloodiest bomb ever built? Something like that.

Ooooh. Thank you so much for that.

Morgan would be talking about what's sometimes called "Instrumental Transcommunication" - http://www.worlditc.org/ , http://www.transcommunication.org/ .

Something I wouldn't have believed in a few years ago, I think. And am still a bit skeptical of. But.... hmm... well.

Not perhaps impossible.

That's the feeling I get... not 'oh wow we have a huge discovery here', but 'oh man... THAT stuff, don't touch it, yes it looks shiny but there's no story here, nothing to see, move along'. Something queasily avoided and tiptoed around because it's just this unsolveable riddle that never even starts making sense. Because you just need this whole different mindset to even begin and it's all too mystical and weird. It might as well be 'alien technology', or it might be the ghost of Nikola Tesla rapping on an ouija board. It's that creepy old drunken uncle we can't make go away who occasionally says something *nearly* sensible...

The "ghost of Nikola Tesla" has been taken up elsewhere (Random Notes), but that creepy old drunken uncle... hah. Him I think I know pretty well.

Yes, I was talking about mystical and channelled writings here (which I include some of the 1950s 'UFO contactee' stuff that came through mediums as well as just plain scientific visionaries).

Some of it makes sense. Some of it seems to be describing a science and morality higher than we know. Some of it... well... is either very obscure or just plain garbage or scary. The internal intuitive 'set' doesn't always pick up nice or sane people out of the ether, it seems.

(I'm not entirely convinced a physical 'set' would guarantee niceness or saneness in its communications, either, any more than a Ouija board does. I think it would require a fair bit of mental tuning to work. Wouldn't just be a push-button FM radio preset kind of thing.)

[Mikado14]

* 'A Course In Miracles', the rediscovered original version put on the Web in 2000

Interesting.....1984? or so? 365 lessons.

Yes, I was talking about mystical and channelled writings here (which I include some of the 1950s 'UFO contactee' stuff that came through mediums as well as just plain scientific visionaries).

Yes, the Space Brothers mostly published in the Inner Light Publications from 25 to 35 years ago. And yes, you are right, there are others.

* Some of it makes sense. Some of it seems to be describing a science and morality higher than we know. Some of it... well... is either very obscure or just plain garbage or scary. The internal intuitive 'set' doesn't always pick up nice or sane people out of the ether, it seems.

No, it does not. But then proof would have to be offered, wouldn't it? It does exist and is out there.

* (I'm not entirely convinced a physical 'set' would guarantee niceness or saneness in its communications, either, any more than a Ouija board does. I think it would require a fair bit of mental tuning to work. Wouldn't just be a push-button FM radio preset kind of thing.)

It could not guarantee anymore than you talking to another person on your cell phone and the conversation being either nice or sane or obscene etc.

You have surprised me with your interest and the extent of what you have mentioned.

Mikado

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somehow my salutation was in the middle of the post....oops

[Rose]

WOW....

Just WOW.

I' was sure that the shortwave radio set was something more than an off the shelf item, and have been conjecturing about other type of communications it might be transmitting. But I never once thought of it as a broadcasting device for shifted dimensional beings.

Now I'll spend the next 24 hours contemplating how many different forms these beings might take. I seem to remember that somewhere, Mr. Twigsnapper has emphasized that we might be deaing with an omni-present intelligence is very much of the earth. I guess that eliminates Martians.

rose

[Chris Knight]

Out of curiousity, since we've discussed the radio set so much, I was wondering what image everyone might have of the workings of such a machine.

Would you think of it similar in construction to the Rand Fan with sets of charged grids such as used in Brown's "fans,"

Or more like a crystal radio set, relying on a sensor that is sensitive to gravitational flux and space and time stress anomalies ?

[AM2]

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