"Closer Contact"

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Whew. Alot of stuff here. this might be interesting to look over

http://diecastgarden.org/paraphysics/ar ... uster.html

I hope Radomir that I am not duplicating what you have already posted. I am running behind on my forum reading right now because so many other " buckets of information" have presented themselves.

Just cherry picking through the above these are just some of the comments that I have noticed and need to share with you all.

First of all I LOVE the title " Spooky Spies and the Arms Race"

"Tell America that the Psychic potential of Man must be Used For Good.

--"Controlled Offensive Behavior - USSR," United States Defense Intelligence Agency report, 1972.
In the book, Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain, a 1970 cult favorite, the above quote is vaguely attributed to “Soviet Researchersâ€

[Radomir]

EHD, the link you posted:

http://diecastgarden.org/paraphysics/ar ... uster.html

Does have not so much a duplication as a probable original source of some material I had posted--no worries on that score.

I was disturbed to see in the page you linked a reference to Puthoff being a Scientologist (which I then found mentioned in other sources), and that one of the psychics they first used in their studies was also a Scientologist. From previous research on that topic I'm suspicious of that group, their origins, methods and motivations. Just raising a red flag here, this is something to be aware of.

Thanks,

R.

[Elizabeth Helen Drake]

Radomir,

This is information that we got from a daughter of Beau Kitselman ( who we believe was Dr. Browns longest standing friend and associate) ..... whatever association the Scientologists may have had with others, they did not far well in the Brown camp. Somewhere in these 5000 plus messages is a story that she told about how her father escorted L. Ron Hubbard unceremoniously to the door. Its an interesting story having something to do with Beaus reaction to the mans "multileveled plan to increase the finances of his group". Beau was not of that mind and you know from what Townsend Brown went through in his life too that financial reward was not high on their list for what they did.

Its just an interesting thing to note and put in one of those great buckets that we have scattered around us. I had not known that Hubbards group was so closely associated with early remote viewing. Does not suprise however. Elizabeth

[Linda Brown]

Fred,
thank you for expressing this recently in another thread.

"Science cannot "see" the underlying cause because of their beliefs. The belief system of science does not allow for intelligence to be part of the physical laws for that would be interpreted as a creator being and that is theology, which has no place in science."

And there is one of the best examples of what Morgan has warned us all about. That either/or trap.

Someone called me, not long ago, really mentally on fire because he had seen something in the words of our forum. "You do know what this means! " He asked excitedly and then went on to answer himself " this is FIRST CONTACT .... you realize that this is FIRST CONTACT with another intelligent life form." No stopping him now!

And listening to his joy and excitement the idea just came slowly into my mind .....First contact for you perhaps. Its a bit like a person who thought that he was on a beach by himself but blinked and suddenly found another entity alongside him. But of course ... that entity has been there all along. So is that actually FIRST CONTACT? Well, for one of them anyway! <g> Linda

[FM No Static At All]

Fred,
thank you for expressing this recently in another thread.

"Science cannot "see" the underlying cause because of their beliefs. The belief system of science does not allow for intelligence to be part of the physical laws for that would be interpreted as a creator being and that is theology, which has no place in science."

And there is one of the best examples of what Morgan has warned us all about. That either/or trap.

Someone called me, not long ago, really mentally on fire because he had seen something in the words of our forum. "You do know what this means! " He asked excitedly and then went on to answer himself " this is FIRST CONTACT .... you realize that this is FIRST CONTACT with another intelligent life form." No stopping him now!

And listening to his joy and excitement the idea just came slowly into my mind .....First contact for you perhaps. Its a bit like a person who thought that he was on a beach by himself but blinked and suddenly found another entity alongside him. But of course ... that entity has been there all along. So is that actually FIRST CONTACT? Well, for one of them anyway! <g> Linda

We are being contacted all the time, but we fail to acknowledge that is real. Some call it intuition, others call it channeling. Perhaps this gentlemen has experienced a moment of enlightenment? I posed this question before ans it seems appropriate to do so once again.

What are you pretending not to know?

Mikado questioned me about it, feeling that it was directed at him. Perhaps he felt that way at the time because it was true for him. I ask myself that question often. Others have the same reaction that Mikado did, thinking it is a personal attack. But it meant to be just what it is, a question to ask oneself to discover an answer that seems elusive.

Although you and I never met, our travels back east seem to be such that we were "missing" meeting. It wasn't until after I read Paul's book and joined the forums that it started to click for me. Horses, Florida (I dated a girl from Homestead while working at Heardsdale in South Miami), Devon Horse Show, Rittenhouse Square, and then Monument Avenues in Bala Cynwyd. I am sure there is a message there for one or both of us, but I am still asking myself that question. Perhaps it be answered when I am ready to know it!

Our "reality" is based on a collection of beliefs and experiences. WHat we see is filtered through them. It is why children are able to see so much more than adults. They have yet to be influence by belief systems taught to them by parents and others.

Our true purpose(s) are based on creating. We create, and we are very good at it, as we are ourselves created in the "image" of our creators. The truths about our creation has been hidden in the dogma of religions, shrouded in legends and myths. There is much that we know when we are just open to that knowing. It is truly "miraculous" in that we can do so much without the prerequisites of science.

Science itself has created its own form of "religious" dogma, based on the process of peer review. It is why so many geniuses like your father have been relegated to the corners of physics, reserved for the non-conformists, and those of us that think outside the box.

Our possibilities are only limited by the self-imposed limitations we created. It is also why such incredible journeys into space and time are reserved for those that can handle the experience. It is also why most of the world refuses to accept that there are other intelligent life forms in the universe, for that would certainly shatter many beliefs that are held as truths.

Fred

[Victoria Steele]

The old joke about the husbands response to his wife after she catches him in bed with another woman. "Who ya gonna believe? Me? Or Yer lying eyes."

Alot of women actually KNOW that there is something going on that they need to recognize but its far easier simply not to see it, because once you have seen it then you have to somehow change your life and most simply do not want to do that.

I have a hunch that we are alot like that, as a group! WHAT ARE YOU PRETENDING NOT TO KNOW? Is a great question we should probably all ask ourselves when we look at ourselves in the mirror!

I think its REALLY odd that you and Linda Brown have been in so many of the same places. Of course, she moved so much that maybe its not as odd as I think. Still, Homestead, Devon, Rittenhouse Square. Pretty odd coincidences. But the Bala Cynwyd reference is the oddest. Where are some of the other places you have lived Fred? Just curious to see if there are any more match ups! Victoria

[Mikado14]

Mikado questioned me about it, feeling that it was directed at him. Perhaps he felt that way at the time because it was true for him. I ask myself that question often. Others have the same reaction that Mikado did, thinking it is a personal attack. But it meant to be just what it is, a question to ask oneself to discover an answer that seems elusive.

You mean it wasn't directed at me?!!!???! And I wasted all that energy...<g>

Actually Fred, I did....I left my slip show. But then, I suppose that there are a few here, if not all, that have skeletons banging inside the closet on the door to be let out. The real question to me is that I am not pretending, I reacted as if you really knew me and knew something about me that is one of those holes in my memory.

Alas it is not.......but your picture looks familiar.

Mikado

[FM No Static At All]

The old joke about the husbands response to his wife after she catches him in bed with another woman. "Who ya gonna believe? Me? Or Yer lying eyes."

I have a hunch that we are alot like that, as a group! WHAT ARE YOU PRETENDING NOT TO KNOW? Is a great question we should probably all ask ourselves when we look at ourselves in the mirror!

I think its REALLY odd that you and Linda Brown have been in so many of the same places. Of course, she moved so much that maybe its not as odd as I think. Still, Homestead, Devon, Rittenhouse Square. Pretty odd coincidences. But the Bala Cynwyd reference is the oddest. Where are some of the other places you have lived Fred? Just curious to see if there are any more match ups! Victoria

That old joke proves my point. We only see what our beliefs will allow us to see. There is a similar analogy about the natives and their shaman and the Columbus landing in 1492. The shaman was looking out onto the ocean, when he noticed that there was a particular area where the water seemed to flow in a strange manner, as if something was blocking its path and the ocean had to flow around it. He looked and looked until finally he saw the three large ships off the coast. He hurried to tell the villagers what he saw, they followed him to the beach where he pointed out past the surf. But they could not see the ships at all. The shaman then saw that there were several small boats rowing towards the shore. When the landing party reached the shoreline, the villagers were stunned, because for them it appeared as if these boats just appeared out of thin air.
The turned their sights out towards the sea and they began to see the three ships that Columbus sailed from Spain in. They had no point of reference until the landing party arrived. They could not comprehend those large sailing vessels because the had believed only that boats were small and required oars to propel them, just like the row boats of the landing party.
Not only this group, but all groups of people the world over. We are all so caught up in beliefs that we cannot see what is there in front of us. There are still many people that do not believe that UFOs are from extraterrestrial origins. To them if they are out there we would have been contacted, and it would be all over the news. What were they pretending not to know?

It may have been later than when the Browns were in Florida, but I was working at Tropical Park Race Track on Bird Road in Coral Gables during 1969-70.

Actually Fred, I did....I left my slip show. But then, I suppose that there are a few here, if not all, that have skeletons banging inside the closet on the door to be let out. The real question to me is that I am not pretending, I reacted as if you really knew me and knew something about me that is one of those holes in my memory.

Alas it is not.......but your picture looks familiar.

I don't feel that it necessarily refers to skeletons in the closet. It is more like we ask questions that would be rhetorical if only we looked inside for the answer before seeking it outwardly. It is a matter of trusting our own intuitions, just as Victoria stated about a wife not allowing what was true to shatter her beliefs. And we all will hold those beliefs higher than truth, unless our beliefs are shattered. Sort of like getting "hit upside the head" to get your attention.
But that also seems to be a reflection of how we are raised, what we are taught about how the world and the universe works. I see it in my life and as I become more ware of how I operate, it has given me more control over how I act instead of react to the experiences I live.I used to think I "knew it all" and that even when I was proved to be wrong, I just thought they didn't like me or they weren't fair, or anything to justify my beliefs about being right.
Now I realize that I am a student who will learn much more with an open mind than a closed fist. I have the opportunity to be part of changing the world, and it all possible through the expansion of our consciousness beyond what is acceptable in science and philosophy. We are the gods that we created to take that heavy responsibility off of our own shoulders so that we may play in this game of life, indulge ourselves in sensations that only the physical body can experience.

Well perhaps I look familiar to you since I did spend a good portion of my life in Philadelphia and the surrounding area. In that photo I think I resemble my father in a most remarkable way. I have traveled through the area, volunteering for search and rescue teams, driving as a courier, prolific dancer in many of the hot and not so hot spots from Dover, Delaware through Grantville, PA. Many moons past, I am married to a wonderful lady for nearly 24 years in June, and she was convince when we met that I was quite insane. But I was so irresistible!

Some love is just a lie of the mind
It's make believe until its only a matter of time
And some might have learned to adjust
But then it never was a matter of trust
Billy Joel

Fred

[Griffin]

Yes, Fred-

The concept of open minds and hands rather than closed fists is a good one. Interestingly, even the seemingly conflictive practice of Karate-Do means "The Way of Empty Hands" and the name resonates with what you're describing. Do all Karate practitioners live up to what the name of the art signifies? Of course not, but the ideal is there. The traditional practice is supposed to produce an expansive and pacifying experience rather than a constrictive, conflictive one. A lot of what accounts for the ability to begin and continue the process of living this experience has to do with one's karmic background and also one's teacher and exemplar. Here on the forum we have an excellent exemplar in Townsend Brown as well as several others, including Flow who's now flowing on in another dimensional experience but is probably also checking in on occasion. Open hands are better than closed fists and dancing is better than marching!

As ever,

Griffin

[Mikado14]

Actually Fred, I did....I left my slip show. But then, I suppose that there are a few here, if not all, that have skeletons banging inside the closet on the door to be let out. The real question to me is that I am not pretending, I reacted as if you really knew me and knew something about me that is one of those holes in my memory.

Alas it is not.......but your picture looks familiar.

I don't feel that it necessarily refers to skeletons in the closet. It is more like we ask questions that would be rhetorical if only we looked inside for the answer before seeking it outwardly. It is a matter of trusting our own intuitions, just as Victoria stated about a wife not allowing what was true to shatter her beliefs. And we all will hold those beliefs higher than truth, unless our beliefs are shattered. Sort of like getting "hit upside the head" to get your attention.

Uh, Fred, I was only stating what the statement meant to me and my reaction and that I DO have things to hide and as well as everyone.

Mikado

[FM No Static At All]

Uh, Fred, I was only stating what the statement meant to me and my reaction and that I DO have things to hide and as well as everyone.
Mikado

Oh yes, I am aware of that. And that is why I expanded on the meaning. But while it may be necessary to keep things hidden, as Dr, Brown said to Morgan in regards to Linda, "She need not know" (That came out more like Yoda!) It is perfectly okay with me if others have secrets to keep. But when those skeletons are sources of guilt, anxiety, etc. they are blocking the flow of being connected. You can't have it both ways, either we are open or we are not. Do you have things to hide because they are embarrassing or because you are sworn to secrecy? And that is rhetorical, as I only ask so that you can ask yourself and see how YOU feel about it.

As with many others here in the forum and in life in general, I have secrets also, and many are such that if I mentioned them even in jest, I am sure I will have a knock at my door quite promptly. And that is cool, I accepted the knowledge and the terms without considerations.

If what I am about to do does not serve the highest good of all concerned, then it is only my justification that makes it okay.

Fred