skyfish wrote: Hi Fred,
Yes, the exact meaning is somewhat elusive. There is the ego and the thought process but there is a pure state and that is something that the ancients described in detail, and it is something that cannot be grasped by our intellect.
It is a state of being that is quite natural for us. We have forgotten that part of our being. The only reason it seems elusive is because we don't want to give up all of the religious dogma. That would mean we would have to take responsibility for of those things we blamed on god's will or the devil making us do it. We will have to own up to the fact that we are responsible for what we create in life, whether we are aware of it or not has no bearing on the energy we place in creation.
Perhaps the answer lies in emotion, in feelings. Do we need a physical manifestation of being to love? There is effect on the body caused by our feelings. I do not find that it is beyond our intellect to grasp, but more of a challenge to that ego, which we tend to hold in such high regard, even in the face of low self-esteem. But then, our society is built on a foundation, whose origin is inferiority to an omnipotent creator.
By our creation of an external force that determines destiny for us, we collectively have chosen to ignore the birthright which we all share. What are we pretending not to know? Why is it that we will praise an external god, while destroying the lives of fellow humans, as well as other species, and use some ancient text, interpreted to make us the rulers of the earth, to have dominion and all that nonsense, yet we cannot find the humanity within ourselves to end the sufferings and killing of others?
It is kind of like the difference between reading about eating an apple pie and actually eating one. No matter how hard we think about it, it will elude us. Our ego, everything we identify as "me" or "I" are barriers to what the ancients described. That is the role of meditation, and the meaning of transcending the ego.
Each of us have the ability to “transcend the ego” only we chose to live from the ego. We hold the opinions of others in higher regard than our own when it comes to being accepted as part of group, a side, a team. Yet knowing how fragile our own ego is, how delicate we balance our self esteem on the praise or admonishing of our peers, we will join in to break another person down, in a feeding frenzy of psychological torture and abuse.
We can have a direct experience (gnosis) of the moment that exists before the thought process gets involved. We are SO MUCH MORE THAN OUR THOUGHT PROCESS! This is the moment when consciousness collapses the wave form into the material universe we observe.
All that is necessary is to BE IN THE MOMENT to experience it. That is true of the moment of creation or the next moment you choose to create for yourself. What you call our thought process, is how we teach ourselves to think. How we process information that comes into our being is not the same as intelligence in the general sense, albeit it is who we are as individuals, nonetheless. It is another manner by which we make ourselves seem different, and as a consequence, further isolate ourselves from each other.
In what I have learned thus far about Dr. Brown, it would seem that he was a human that operated in life without much emphasis on ego. That isn't the same as having feelings and being hurt by the actions of others.
And through that moment, eternity can be realized. It is not a religion, or dogma. It has been the source of religion and dogma, but it is just an experience, in my opinion, of the quantum realm, where the limitations of time and space do not exist, and that is the aether, which gives rise to everything, including us, and we can realize our quantum nature. Thats all.
Well I strongly disagree with this as a source of religion, in fact I feel to the contrary, that religion is the cause of much truth about science, our true reality, is hidden or at the least, obscured by the dogma of religion.
And that is pretty much the hierarchy of manifestation. From the non-material quantum field, the zpf, and then the interaction with consciousness, then the wave collapse, then the observation by our biological machinery that dwells in the relative, matieral universe. So...yes.....consciousnes is involved. But you can read all about it in the upanishads.
So are you postulating (based on your assumption of hierarchy) that somehow something of this non-material quantum field interacts with consciousness and some causes wave collapse, which creates matter?
Here is a possibility that I have been formulating into a book for many years. To be was inevitable, and that is proved by our existence. I cannot see what was before there was, because that is not part of my consciousness, is not manifest within my reality. In looking at the simple elegance of nature, the laws of the universe, most of which we have yet to know, little of which we have yet to master, I cannot see any of it just happening out of chance. It did not magically or miraculously congeal into life, the design screams of it's superb genius, an intelligence we all collectively are but a few brain cells in comparison with that advanced intellect. Yet we remain with access to it at all times, and so very few have done so.
Just like the parable in pulling Excalibur from the rock in which it was embedded, waiting for the moment when a knight who was pure of heart and courageous, would lift it from its confinement and become king. It's always right there in front of us to see, only we turn away, shut our eyes, or just are so entranced by our beliefs about reality, that we do not see that which is in plan sight to us.