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A general discussion re: the (secret?) consortium which seems to have influenced the life and work of Townsend Brown

Postby flowperson » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:44 pm

My instincts are saying to me that the "144" number significantly mentioned here is so because it is the result of twelve squared.

Twelve is also synonimous with a recurring mythological and timeless collective which automatically denotes wisdom, "sophia", which is a code word denoting the female gender. The zodiac, the Roman and Greek Pantheons, Jesus' Disciples, Majestic 12, Branson's elders proposal, etc.

If one were to assemble an effective and operational time/space system somehow, it would, of necessity, have to resonate harmonically and be totally and transparently reflective with ALL of the stuff of the universe. Impossible ?

Not if it all were to be bound together in small enough bundles. This all has to do with matters of scale IMHO, and how to shift and morph from one phase of being to another without damaging the essential nature of the "goods" ? That's the part that stumps me, but I believe that we all surmise now that it has to do with "portals" between and among dimensions, aetheric energies, and electrogravitic control systems.

Mikado, you'll need a table big enough to seat twelve puzzle assemblers I think.

Kevin ?

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Postby kevin.b » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:20 pm

Knights of the round table comes to mind.
Then of course you would need to be precisely positioned upon an invisable matrix, as everything is.
The knights went to where?, Bonny Scotland,

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Postby kevin.b » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:45 pm

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Postby Mikado14 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:42 pm

flowperson wrote:Mikado, you'll need a table big enough to seat twelve puzzle assemblers I think.



Mr. Flow, that is the dilemma...who/whom do you choose? and what will you do?

I take the question very seriously and I cannot/will not answer Mr. Twigsnapper lightly. He has chosen to ask a very simple question but upon looking at it, it goes into my soul.

On the one hand, you need individuals that can see the technical side of things but then you also need those that can see the esoteric. Then there will be those who/whom are able to bridge the chasm between those two groups. It will be necessary to have those who can visualize the blending, the human nature aspect of the outcome, the "Where will you go" with it. The ability to see the entirety. You don't have to know how your computer works to be able to use it effectively and you will need those individuals as well. To me that is balancing the equation.

Look at you for example. You and I have had our disagreements but isn't that what life is? Your ability to transgress the theory for it isn't just "nuts and bolts" and I wouldn't expect that of you, it is more, the poetry of the universe and what it all means. Mankind is capable of such beauty and is also capable of such ugliness.

Believe it or not Mr. Flow, I would choose you for a seat at the dining room table.

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Postby flowperson » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:02 pm

Hi Mikado...Me thinks you jest my friend. But I will agree with you that it will take beings (notice I didn't say people) who are sensitive enough to almost automatically sense and "read" the needs of others, and also posses enough conceptual technical knowledge to propose the poetic and artful solutions which might really begin to tie things together.

That is why I'm increasingly enamored of Branson's ideas, as opposed to the "think tank" solution matrices of today. As a dislexic he knows what "swimming against the stream" is all about, and he has, by any measure, succeeded. Think tanks are far too easily manipulated into political service as things stand, and increasingly, so also are the leading research universities. Both sets of institutions are driven by competition for money and power...and we know where that leads. Both models produce useful bits to be assembled, but the object always becomes money, not primarily the continuance of the human story. They are more members of the business-political complex, and these problems cry out for artful solutions. Or as someone once said, the road to hell is seeded with good intentions.

The group of elders who weave the new fabric of reality cannot be based in the ethic of "knowing more and more about less and less". They will of necssity be forced into the role, if they are not already there, of "knowing less and less about more and more" as they progress. And that should always be the governing human condition for creative thinking and solution building. The process demands humility.

Interconnected knowledge sharing and systemic relatedness will be the primary attributes needed. Technical experts may always be consulted on the details as needed. So I would concentrate upon people who have unusual and complex talent sets, and would certainly look for people who have had enriching musical experiences in their backgrounds.

Someone once asked me what kind of person should be recruited to design novel forms of DNA if such a device were ever made available to do such magic. I told them I thought it should be a person who could crochet or make lace by hand out of raw materials, who could sit down at a harpsichord or take up any instrument and play or sing a Bach theme and variations piece from memory, who had the mental emotional and physical stamina to climb great obstacles and run long races, who had the ability to create something out of nothing, and who never had too much money. My belief is that the real future for us will be built by humans like that.
But I digress.

What kind of table you got ? Is it round ? Is your name really Arthur ?

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Re: quotes

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:12 pm

twigsnapper wrote:"Is it? Indeed? " and of course I was responding to the remark of such a thing being impossible. If it were not impossible then .... who would you bring together at one diningroom table to make such a thing ..... happen ....



A long and boring answer that all may skip over

Mr. Twigsnapper,

You asked a very simple question and perhaps the average person could think for a few minutes and give you a list of a dozen individuals to sit down at the dining room table. I do not believe I am average, I have always felt somewhat below if not standing to the side for the drum beat I always heard was not the same as others. I say to myself that it is "only a simple question" as if asking who the guest list would be for a dinner party but yet the purpose is not to eat, it is to map out. The hypothetical atomic table as discussed in developing an alloy is not impossible, as I said, nothing is. However, in order to do it one must travel into the arcane sciences, the esoteric, the vibratory rate of matter, the matter that makes us and the universe and how they are unique to all, as I said, the universe sings. I could go on but choose not to for that would be diverging from the original question.

Whenever a new invention is made it will either improve the human condition or bring war to an end. Man is ugly, war will never end until man can rise up out of the depths of a dark soul and move into a new light where his soul can soar and be a part of the universe as such.

I actually thought about the list, my first choice was the Dahli Lama. Balance in choice, the bridge between the science and the philosophy and he would be the anchor on the philosophy side. (I use the word philosophy in place of religion, spirituality etc.) I then thought about Lisa Randall, branes, C Space etc and what she could bring to the table. There are other names but I will not go into it for eventually, I came to a realization. I am not the one to do this. I have been to that middle space where neither death or life exists and I feel so very alone and I ask why am I here....again. Perhaps it is not to create a guest list and a meeting, maybe it is just to make a snowball and throw it down a mountain side.

As we all know, every journey must begin with a first step and as with a wedding or other social event, a meeting takes place to plan it. Here is an idea, I would like to instead of a meeting in regard to what you proposed how about a meeting to plan it? I would choose you to be there so that I could look you in the eye and see your aura as I did with someone else and to see for myself, sort of like putting my fingers in the wound. Next, I would like Linda Brown, if she is around. I would like to ask her about her Father, not the science but what he was like. Did he ever just walk in the woods? Did he ever watch a hawk soaring and crying out? Did he ever just watch a crayfish in a stream or just lay and look for dragons in the clouds, much can be learned with questions such as those. And then I would like Trickfox there for I trust him with my soul. And I also afford you the same choices.

I am sorry Mr. Twigsnapper. I have the utmost respect for you and perhaps you only asked what in your mind was a simple question and I apologize for making a mountain out of a mole hill but in my view, it was Mt. Everest and I cannot answer the question.

You have mated me, my king is down.

Best as always,

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another move

Postby twigsnapper » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:44 pm

Oh no. Not that easy Mikado. We are not finished. <g>

I encourage those of you who are watching the flow of informtion here to read the forum thread that is called " Consortium" and then to continue the conversaton , if you are inspired to do that, here on this opened section.

There was much wisdom expressed in that one forum and it would be helpful to look at it again. And , besides .... its an interesting word, Consortium.

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Postby flowperson » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:45 pm

Well Mr. Twigsnapper and all, I did go hunting for the word "consortium" which was a thread that was born and "locked" before I began to actively participate here. That one post about the 500,000 watt transmitting facility that was used to bollix the Nazi radio stations during WWII was a great one, but the whole thing didn't go much of anywhere after that. I sure did get a kick out of TTB and his "Brando" costume though standing in front of the facility in a 50's photo on another thread.

Paul, do you remember why this thread was locked ? Verbotten subject matter ? Too soon in the unfolding ?

Now, let's see...if physical time travel is not possible, then robust communication systems that have the ability to transcend time would be the next best thingy probably, maybe even better and more effective since it is, by it's nature, hidden in plain sight. But if you could do that, could you do it both ways, to the past and the future both ? Are/were the powerful radio systems mentioned capable of handling electro gravitic transmissions/receptions ? My bet would be yes since the transmission/reception medium manipulated in such systems is the acoustic/electromagnetic nature of universal reality .

Powerful radio transmitters were not a problem in the 30's and 40's. But steerable and sensitive enough receiving antenna were. This wasn't begun to be solved until the 50's when Reber and others built upon Jansky's foundations. But then again, sensitive radar installations began to proliferate in the UK and the U.S. during WWII and soon thereafter. And then we were able to more effectively tune into the global, interstellar, and intergalactic, all pervading hiss within which transmitted and meaningful information might be hidden in plain sight. And then all that was necessary was to calculate and predict where targeted receivers would be/would have been at any particular time in the earth's past or future...something that is routinely doable these days at any NASA installation, aerospace firm, or university.

And what was the name of the powerful radio installation at Camp X in Ontario, Canada ?

http://webhome.idirect.com/~lhodgson/campx.htm

Oh yeah... "Hydra" the mythical many headed dragon which could not be destroyed by cutting off it's head, because another one grew back into its place at once. And another thing that leapt out at me and hit me in the face when I toured the Camp "x" site, an insignia worn by those trained at the camp which carried the motto..."From the darkness, light". I also believe that in global applications of all of this, water and nearby physical access to it is a critical transmission medium factor (EHD). That is why, maybe, that TTB thought that petrovoltaics would be the final leap in putting together a "Big Picture " for all of this.

Just trying to connect dots here...Mikado, Trickfox, Gregg ? What is missing here since I'm basically a moron when it comes to the details of engineering stuff, but I can do OK at fitting together conceptual puzzle pieces. Sound reasonable to you ?

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Postby Paul S. » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:53 pm

flowperson wrote: Paul, do you remember why this thread was locked ? Verbotten subject matter ? Too soon in the unfolding ?


Well, unfortunately... no, I don't remember why that one was locked.

I THINK that there were starting to be three or four parallel threads on the subject of "The Caroline Group" and "The Group" and "Consortium was one of them, and I might have been trying to get all that discussion into this thread.

Whatever my intent, it does not appear I left a trail. Since Twigsnapper brought it up again here, can we continue in this tread?

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Postby flowperson » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:58 pm

Hi Paul...Perhaps that was his intent in bringing this all up again. OK by me pardner .

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Postby kevin.b » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:46 pm

In the beginning there was the word.
Always thought that was odd.
What is the word?
Anyway, Consortium, the word.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/consortium
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Re: another move

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:00 pm

twigsnapper wrote:Oh no. Not that easy Mikado. We are not finished. <g>



Setting = picture an 8 year old boy shuffling his feet in the dirt with his head held down and saying ok

Ok, Mr. Twigsnapper, I will give you a list since you are curious. However, there are two requests I have:

1. when the meeting is called you will have that chess game and I want to hear about your experiences during the war and especially about the X boats.

2. There are no magazines in your vicinity

Agreed?

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deal

Postby twigsnapper » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:24 am

Mikado

As they might say in Pauls neck of the woods

"God willing and the creek don't rise", you have a deal. twigsnapper
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it's time

Postby Trickfox » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:11 am

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Monday, October 8, 2007
Townsend Brown and his Anti-Gravity Discs
by Gaston Burridge


Thomas Townsend Brown has been flying strange metal saucer-like discs of his own secret design and make for more than 30 years - some big ones too, up to 30 inches in diameter!

Mostly, Brown has flown his discs in good old common air. The discs are tethered to a mast or pole and the thin, double-saucer-like things fly a circle around and around the mast in free flight.

Only a slight hum is audible as they fly. In the dark they glow with an eerie lavender light, revealing their motive power which is a kind of electricity.

Many scientists and engineers have watched these discs fly. Under their breath, and sometimes out loud, most of them have said the force which makes Brown's discoids spin is one which every high- school physics student knows about - "Electric Wind" - and not a new principle Brown has discovered at all!

One engineer told me, "The whole thing is so screwball I don't want to even talk about it!" Another said, "The device is only about one-tenth of one percent efficient." Both these statements have since been proved incorrect! Most other engineers object to the lack of mathematical substantiation presented by Brown. To engineers and scientists one equation is worth a thousand words! But even an equation is of little use unless it has values assigned to at least some of its main parts. When these were not forthcoming, from a technical point of view, it appeared Brown was walking on straw legs.

Then recently Brown went to France. Under what was virtually a French Government sponsored program of research, Air-France successfully flew some of the Brown discs in a HIGH VACUUM!

And that took all the "electric wind" out of the previously dissenting sails1 These tests were of a highly secret nature and, because of this, and, because they were made in a foreign nation, their results REMAIN CLASSIFIED.

One by one, U.S. engineering and scientific heads are beginning to show above the storm cellars. It is now quietly admitted that perhaps Brown may have something after all!

One thing he DOES have which he has not had before is a sponsor! Perhaps that is the reason for the heads showing from the cellars. There is nothing quite like having financial backing.

What do Brown's inventions mean? Another kind, type, or arrangement of high-speed flight, both within our own atmosphere and in the space beyond it!

How will it compare as a motive force with the rocket motors and the jet engines of today? Of course, we cannot say yet but there is nothing to indicate Brown's method will not compete most favorably with them. Brown's method has definite "anti-gravitic potentials' which their rockets or jets do not have. Because of present patent situations many details of the Brown system must be by-passed here, but it seems they represent no small item in the total picture of space flight.

Since 1923 Brown and his family have spent nearly $250,000 of their own funds on experiments and research into the mysteries of that strangest of strange electrical phenomenon, the "Biefeld-Brown Effect". Electrical literature contains few writings on this subject, mostly because Brown has maintained a tight grip on the information and has not seen fit to write on the matter scientifically or otherwise. No one else has seemed inclined to research the matter. What is more American scientific journals are open to few ideas that DO NOT ORIGINATE with men CONNECTED WITH LARGE UNIVERSITY or COMMERCIAL RESEARCH LABORATORIES!

I first heard of Townsend Brown and his Biefeld-Brown Effect from Mr. Arlin C. Hauser. Hauser is a designer and builder of fine technical instruments in Pasadena who doesn't hold an idea at arms- length because it is "new". Hauser furnished me a copy of a monograph titled, "A SIMPLIFIED EXPLANATION OF THE APPLICATION OF THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT TO THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEMS OF SPACE NAVIGATION". This monograph was published by Dr. Mason Rose, president of the University for Social Research, Los Angeles, but was actually written, I learned later, by Mr. Bradford Shank, a nuclear scientist, formally of Los Alamos, now engaged in engineering work for a Los Angeles aircraft valve manufacturer.

Some of the information set forth in this monograph rang a bell way back in my memory.

Between 1919 and 1925 I was "errand boy" in a laboratory conducting experiments with high potential, high frequency alternating currents. We were playing with a million volts at 750,000 cycles per second! A new type of electrical condenser had been built and was to be tested. It was hooked into the circuit but was not "bolted down" - it was heavy.

The director stood at the switchboard; the rest of us at a respectful distance away. The switch was thrown. There was a hum, a bursting flash of green and purple light, a loud bang, a violent lurch and twist of the new condenser and that piece of apparatus lay a smoking ruin! The director said, "Gentlemen, our baby has grown up!"

It is this movement manifest in an electrical condenser which is the essence of the Biefeld-Brown Effect. This movement makes the Effect highly interesting as an anti-gravitic force!

The Biefeld-Brown Effect says an electrical condenser, when charged, will MOVE TORWARD its positive pole and remain so positioned UNTIL DISCHARGED, if free to do so, regardless of WHICH POLE or WHICH SIDE of the dielectric is made positive.

This movement does not disregard the time-honored "law" which indicates every action carries within it an equal reaction. The reaction, as in gravitation, is present BUT NOT OBVIOUS. The reaction is a finite but vanishingly small movement of all the other matter in the Universe. But the nearest masses are affected first and most!

The Effect was first observed when the condenser plates were charged with a DIRECT CURRENT. But the experience noted above, which was observed subsequently during other experiments, indicates something of the same phenomenon is present when condensers are charged with ALTERNATING current also - but probably not as effectively or as lastingly.

While these alternating current condenser MOVEMENTS were noted at the time, especially when the condensers were initially charged after a long and complete discharge, those directing the research then believed the movements were due to resonances set up within the apparatus by the 60-cycle feed currents. Thus, this phenomenon, though noted, was never investigated by the group to which I was attached.

This electrical condenser movement is believed to have been first perceived and examined by Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld, professor of physics and astronomy, Denison University, Granville, Ohio, sometime before 1923.

However, search of the Denison University's own published scientific records does not indicate Dr. Biefeld wrote anything regarding this discovery while there. Dr. Lawrence Biefeld, a son of Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld, writes me that he does not recall his father ever having mentioned discovering such an effect! However, Mr. Bradford Shank who has been intimately associated with several phases of the Townsend Brown Foundation and its work for several years relates that Dr. Biefeld did originate the initial research into the Effect itself and also directed Townsend Brown, then a student at Denision University, in Brown's early interest in the matter.

Although the Effect may have been recognized first by Dr. Biefeld, a greater part of the development research and ALL the practical application of it has been carried on by Brown - mostly at his own expense, over a period of more than 30 years.

Apparently the Effect was named by someone else writing a report on the subject. But had it not been for Townsend Brown's long interest and research this Effect might remain unrecorded and unexploited still!

Evidence indicates the entire Universe, from the greatest systems of stars and their planets down to the smallest atom and its parts - hydrogen - operates on only three basic forces - electricity, magnetism and gravitation. These three forces may be entirely separate and different or they may be only different phases of the same force, a Universal force we have not yet distinguished as such. Regardless of this, we know the relationship between electricity and magnetism and we know this relationship is brought about and maintained by the very simple COIL OF WIRE!

It is quite possible, through the Biefeld-Brown Effect, we have come upon the relationship between electricity and gravitation, a relationship being brought about and maintained through the very simple electrical condenser!

If each of these three forces is considered separately, we find little of practical value in any of them! It is only through combinations of two, and perhaps more, that we begin to use them.

Aside from the researches into the Biefeld-Brown Effect carried on by Mr. Brown science has done practically nothing toward developing the relationship between electricity and gravitation.

Most scientists today will admit a weak COUPLING EFFECT DOES EXIST BETWEEN GRAVITATION AND ELECTRICITY but any practical use of this coupling effect they deny!

Standing almost alone in this belief Mr. Brown has maintained his position regarding the matter stubbornly, faithfully, and devotedly.

If a simple, two-plate electrical condenser (FIGURE 1) is suspended by a cord in such a way as to allow it complete freedom to to move in any direction, except downward of course, and this condenser is charged with the proper amount and pressure of direct electric current the instrument will swing TOWARD the side holding the POSITIVE CHARGE.

If this same condenser is discharged, the positive and negative wires switched and connected oppositely, when recharged the condenser will swing in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

If the condenser is placed upon one side of a balanced beam (FIGURE 2) with enough weight opposite it to continue the balance and if the positive pole is pointed up, when the condenser is charged the weight on the opposite side of the beam will fall and the entire condenser WILL RISE!

This shows that some of the "weight" of the condenser has been relieved. If the positive pole now is reversed, when the condenser is again charged the weight on the opposite end of the beam WILL BE LIFTED! This illustrates gravitic affect.

This is the Biefeld-Brown Effect. As far is now known it is the only method of affecting the gravitational field electrically! However, apparently there are several other research programs now under way attempting to establish an electro-gravitic relationship.

One of the mysteries of this Effect is that it APPEARS TO BE AFFECTED BY TIME! Time does not do away with the Effect completely, but it does appear to minimize it temporarily. This was noted first by Brown during experiments located in a closed room.

He watched his discs through a telescope from outside the room. Brown observed that after a time the discs did not swing quite so far as initially, in either direction, with the same electric charge. I understood from Mr. Shank that this point was discussed with Albert Einstein but what Mr. Einstein had to say remains unknown to me.

The phenomenon might be accounted for by subtle atomic structural breakdowns in the dielectric material, or in the plate material, or both. After a time, following a complete discharge, these breakdowns mend themselves.

The intensity with which the Biefeld-Brown Effect may act is determined by five factors. Ultimate intensity cannot possibly be obtained by a combined use of all five factors - each in their separate ultimates! A compromise must be made. This is not as grave a disadvantage as it might seem at first, for it will allow an almost endless arrangement of factors in any given disc or ship.

The best combination of these then may be chosen and applied to a wide variety of practical conditions which will surely arise in everyday aeronautical or astronautical flight.

1) PROXIMITY OF PLATES

The first factor regulating the intensity of the Effect is controlled by the closeness at which the condenser's plates can be set. If the charging pressure - or voltage - is high then the plates will have to be farther apart than for lower voltages -using the same dielectric. If it is necessary to charge the condenser quickly a higher voltage is needed than if more time can be taken. Hence, the closer the condenser plates the greated the Effect gained - other circumstances remaining the same.

2) DIELECTRIC CONSTANT

The second factor is the ability of the material chosen as a dielectric to store electrical energy. There are many kinds of dielectrics: glass, mica, rubber, paper, bakelite, air, ceramics, and many of the plastics. A dielectric is any material which opposes the flow of an electric current and at the same time is capable of storing the electrical energy as an "elastic stress."

The action resembles the squeezing of a soft rubber ball. The muscles in your hand represent the electric voltage. They squeeze the ball's sides together. The sides remain squeezed until your muscles release their pressure, then the sides jump back into their original shape.

A dielectric will absorb an electric charge until its capacity has been reached. Then it will either hold that charge as long as the charging force is present, or it will rupture and the pressure will leak away, or if the accumulated pressure becomes greater than the charging pressure it will discharge itself back into the charging circuit! This last can raise the devil!

Some dielectrics are capable of absorbing a great quantity of electrical energy if that energy is applied slowly at moderate pressure, but they break down if called upon to act quickly. O

ther dielectrics, like lead-free glass, can be charged and discharged thousands of times a second at high pressures. The measure of a dielectric's ability is called the "K" of the material. The higher the K, the greater is the Biefeld-Brown Effect.

3) INTENSITY

A third factor in creating intensity of the Effect is the AREA of the dielectric's charging plates. The discs are used edgewise, and the greater their area, the greater the Effect obtained.

4) VOLTAGE

A fourth factor has to do with the VOLTAGE, or pressure used to charge the condenser's plates. The higher the voltage, the greater the Effect.

Also, the higher the voltage the shorter the time required to charge a given condenser size. But the voltage must not be so high as to puncture the dielectric, the condenser is permanently, or temporarily ruined - depending upon its ability to "heal" itself. Solid dielectrics cannot heal themselves. Fluids heal themselves almost as soon as punctured. (the reason for using OIL filled capacitors...Vangard)

5) MASS (SURFACE AREA)

The fifth and last factor is the MASS ofthe dielectric. The greater the mass, the larger the Effect. These points all are important. They make it clear that by a not too complicated electrical arrangement which allows the changing of many positive pole positions at will an astronautical vehicle could be controlled.

Since a circle contains the greatest number of square units of surface for a given dimension (a torus has even greater surface area...Vangard), it seems obvious that a shallow, disc-shaped vehicle could use this type of energy field to greatest advantage. It would be charged differently than the models because it could carry its own charging equipment on board.

The input energy of some models tested in California quite some time ago (they do not represent present experimental attainments) was about 50 watts, or the requirements of a small light bulb.

The weight of these units was about 1200 grams, or around 42 ounces, or near two and 6/10 pounds. The efficiency of propulsion was 2%.

Unless scientific findings are discounted, we must assume the voltage of atmospheric electricity rises as the distance from the earth's surface increases.

At low altitudes we sometimes record an increase of 100 volts for EVERY THREE FEET IN ELEVATION. But this increase RISES WITH ALTITUDE. It is believed that in that ionosphere a potential of 100 volts may occur within only four inches!

Even though a discoid-shaped vehicle could be relatively thin, compared to its diameter, still it would be many times four inches thick. Hence, it would be subjected to tremendous differentials of external electric pressure over its extreme dimensions.

How will this affect the Biefeld-Brown Effect - or any electrically propelled vehicle? Some say, not at all. Others see it as a sizable barrier!

Anti-gravity devices apparently are being experimented with from a number of directions. Once any one of them becomes practical a whole new horizon will unfold before mankind.

At the present time (1958) some 19 patent applications, covering the Biefeld-Brown Effect and its various applied forms, are being worked on. A new laboratory is also being built. Will Mr. Brown be the first Earthman to build and fly a FLYING SAUCER?


Whom ... exactly .......whom had the motive to post this today?

Read the rest: http://siddhaya.blogspot.com/2007/10/to ... avity.html

Do I see any members in this forum involved in writting this?

Whom is "Siddhaya"???????????????

Someone needs to call me on the phone perhaps?

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Postby kevin.b » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:44 am

Trickfox,
The pictures a tad large, it is a ray gun in reverse.
I see many such things in all forms of nature, they attract and absorb the aether.
Been out this very damp morning looking at the toadstools ( what the caterpillar sits on )
They do look like flying saucers don't they?
Amazing how some of them balance upon that centre earthed stem.
Amazing why different ones grow exactly upon certain alignments, sort of choosy what they eat?
Kevin
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