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A general discussion re: the (secret?) consortium which seems to have influenced the life and work of Townsend Brown

Re: Watchers

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:04 pm

Mark Culpepper wrote:Hey everybody,

Take a little bit of a look at this and tell me what you all think. Could this be the historical "Caroline Group?" Its a wild thought.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/stream ... chers.html

I noticed this part particularly.

) The Sumerian Watchers

"...Man and his early civilizations had a profoundly different mentality from our own, that in fact men and women were not conscious as are we, were not responsible for their actions, and therefore cannot be given the credit Throughout Mesopotamia, from the earliest times of Sumer and Akkad, all lands were owned by gods and men were their slaves. Of this, the cuneiform texts leave no doubt whatever. Each city-state had its own principal god, and the king was described in the very earliest written documents that we have as 'the tenant farmer of the god'."
- Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
or blame for anything that was done over these vast millennia of time; that instead each person had a part of his nervous system that was divine, by which he was ordered about like any slave, a voice or voices which indeed were what we call volition and empowered what they commanded and were related to the hallucinated voices of others in a carefully established hierarchy."
"...The astonishing consistency from Egypt to Peru, from Ur to Yucatan, wherever civilizations arose, of death practices and idolatry, of divine government and hallucinated voices, all are witness to the idea of a different mentality than our own."

I don't quite know how to take all that. But just wanted you all to know that when you type up " Watchers" this is one of the things that comes up.
Mark C.


This is from Zecharia Sitchin, I have his first book and it is autographed. It is the Twelfth Planet. Some of his translations can be questioned but his form would explain the missing link.

It talks of the Annunaki, the Shumers, Nefilim, the Tree of Immortality and the Tree of Knowledge, which one do you think that Eve ate of? It also explains the Flood and Noah, Soddam and Gamorah(spelling?) and a host of other things. The "good" and "bad" watchers, those fallen and those above.

Do you still have that open mind Mark?

The "Watchers" that I am referring to are not of this plane, but then the watchers you have referred may, have transcended, I do not know and it doesn't really matter. I am moving forward.

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moving on

Postby Mark Culpepper » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:22 pm

Those are the wisest words I have read so far. "I am moving forward".

Its important to see what has been written throughout the ages. Important to see how our concepts have been formed and maintained through the centuries. It fascinates me that there is this thought that PERHAPS there was knowledge that was lost, and that our efforts are an attempt to get back to where we might have been.

Others will interpret that in all their different ways, and thats OK. Each of us I think has our own personal search for the truth. We should all be able to share what we are thinking .... without feeling pressed into service for anothers vision. So you all know where I am going to be in this process. I want to hear everything. No guarantee that I will agree with everything but I will certainly respect the process. We are all individuals with stong individual tunes. Someone once called this forum a windchime ...... so just hang me up there and expect to hear me once in a while. And boy, do I love the music that all of the rest of you make! Mark C.
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Re: something afoot indeed

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:35 pm

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:Take a little bit of a look at this and tell me what you all think. Could this be the historical "Caroline Group?" Its a wild thought!"


I doubt it very much, it is something different.

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote: "Of this, the cuneiform texts leave no doubt whatever. Each city-state had its own principal god, and the king was described in the very earliest written documents that we have as 'the tenant farmer of the god'."
- Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
or blame for anything that was done over these vast millennia of time; that instead each person had a part of his nervous system that was divine, by which he was ordered about like any slave, a voice or voices which indeed were what we call volition and empowered what they commanded and were related to the hallucinated voices of others in a carefully established hierarchy." I saw the words EACH PERSON HAD A PART OF HIS NERVOUS SYSTEM THAT WAS DIVINE"


And else where in the paragraph:

"The gods were in no sense 'figments of the imagination' of anyone. They were man's volition. They occupied his nervous system, probably his right hemisphere, and from stores of admonitory and receptive experience, transmuted this experience into articulated speech which then 'told' the man what to do."

That's a pretty good description of telepathy.


Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:Then those people were "ordered about like they were slaves. But NOW?
And thats not the thing that really caught me because I understand that we have "grown up" enough not to be the slaves that maybe we once were centuries ago but the thing that caught me was the statement NERVOUS SYSTEM And Paul ..... Wasn't one of the quotes that you found directly from Dr. Brown that he had discovered the "Nervous system of the Universe?" A nerous system that is somehow connected to all of us? And somehow able to reach all of us because of a PHYSICAL connection.


Slaves....that is what we were until we were given awareness and the gods became angry and this was the impetus for the flood, the gods wished to abolish the abomination called man.
In some circles, the gods educated man and gave him awareness. This awareness gave him certain abilities into other realms.......just as the gods.

Do you wish to really travel this road?

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:What organization, in the blackest of black .... would be available to pursue the meaning of a physical connection between The CORE and us? What organization has been here in the shadows since the thirties?What organization has interest in genetic makeups and research? Only one.
And the only trace before the current stuff that ended up on your desk was the exclamation of a professor " Oh Dr. Brown What an HONOR it is to have you here!" Elizabeth


Can I guess?

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guesses

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:13 pm

Guess away Mikado.! Thats what this forum is here for. Sharing guesses!

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"abomination called man?"

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:41 pm

Hello Mikado,

I couldn't let that one go past me without a comment. "The Gods became angry and that was the impetus for the flood? The Gods wished to abolish the abomination called man?"

We are travelling quite a different path here. I think. and I realize that its important to note that.

I'll tell you a little story that is maybe indicative of where I happen to stand in all of this. I had a friend who happened to the the young mother of a charming, active, beautiful baby boy. I knew that she was quite religious but we had never discussed it, so it was a bit of a shock to me when we both happened to be watching over him in his crib. I commented as to how close a sleeping baby was to an angel ( my viewpoint) and her response was that "You have to be constantly on guard because the devil really owns the human flesh and one must be constantly guarded against that, that man ever since the "fall" was imperfect . My mind had never considered that. And I have to admit being shocked that she could look at that child and see .... anything other than what I saw ..... but thats the reason for this discussion, right?

So I say that because I still have a hard time seeing " that God was out to punish the abomination called man" For me, that statement doesn't ring .... But I know that it feels right for many folks.

Is it easier I wonder, to give God a motive for "punishing" us when random happenings just seem to make no sense? Was the flood REALLY to punish us? Or was it just an easier explanation of a natural disaster? Elizabeth
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what IS IT?

Postby Mark Culpepper » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:55 pm

I am reminded of what would happen if this wondrous saucer landed on the White House lawn. With the current exstablishment ...... how long would it take to figure out "what is it?"

Now that we have all laughed nervously. Want to hear what I think we are dealing with? And maybe Mikado, you and I are closer to the same path than we would realize. What do I think that the Caroline Group is?

They are us.

Your turn anybody? Mark C.
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Gifts

Postby Paul S. » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:12 pm

Mikado14 wrote:
Mark Culpepper wrote:
And I wondered from my experiences if Linda Brown has been blessed (is that the right word, maybe "gifted" would be better) with this same ability. And if so what sort of part has she actually played in everything that has been going on? You never mention her really Paul, except to shield her from prying eyes. And if she is "gifted" in this way, would others around her sense that or does she hide it?



Forgive my intrusion here Paul, I believe she does but in a different area. Compare that "gift" to athletic ability, it doesn't mean you are good at ALL sports. If I were her I would hide it too....for the present.


I think it's fair to say that she is "gifted" -- as are we all, in our unique and different ways.

Suffice it to say she never ceases to amaze me.

Seems I have a bit of catching up to do. You guys are busy when I'm taking the day off...

BTW, check the front page of the blog (http://ttbrown.com) Lots of interesting stuff going on around us. I think I will be posting there more frequently than I have since going into "Las Vegas" mode right after labor day. Sheesh, has it really been THAT long!?!?!

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Re: "abomination called man?"

Postby Mikado14 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:49 pm

Elizabeth Helen Drake wrote:Hello Mikado,

I couldn't let that one go past me without a comment. "The Gods became angry and that was the impetus for the flood? The Gods wished to abolish the abomination called man?"


So I say that because I still have a hard time seeing " that God was out to punish the abomination called man" For me, that statement doesn't ring .... But I know that it feels right for many folks.

Is it easier I wonder, to give God a motive for "punishing" us when random happenings just seem to make no sense? Was the flood REALLY to punish us? Or was it just an easier explanation of a natural disaster? Elizabeth


Hello Elizabeth,

I am merely quoting from the book.

but remember, things are always relative to the observer.

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Re: smoking catepillars

Postby Paul S. » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:54 pm

twigsnapper wrote:I note with some small interest that a "ChufSir" has logged on and until Paul catches up to that errant membership and tosses him out I see that Moldava and "hookastores" are represented.


They're gone.... I assume that was a bogus entry, despite the "Moldava" references?


For Bentfeather I understand it was seeing an ancient ruin once called Persepolis ... for each of us it will be something different. At least tht would be my hope.


Curious that "Bentfeather's" name would come up because I was just sifting through some of his correspondence. I recall the references to Persepolis.

For anybody who might like a visual point of reference:

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betting I know

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:22 pm

Paul,

What IS this area of Persepolis called, precisely? Great picture! Elizabeth
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File Name

Postby Paul S. » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:50 am

Well, the name of the file is "persepolis_gate.jpg"

Does that confirm your suspicions?

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Interested?

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:04 am

For those that are interested, here is some fodder:

http://www.sitchin.com/philadelphia.htm

What do you think?

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Xerxes????

Postby Mark Culpepper » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:12 am

So, now I really do think I have stepped off the edge.

I always have had a passing interest, as all of you know, with ancient history (though I have not taught it.) I found it interesting that in this strange world I seem to be living in right now that I would recognize what is called " The Gate of Xerxes" in Persepolis. At least thats what I think it is called. Its the only ruin that I know of which looks quite like that. But I could be wrong

Now here is the strange part. I have to tell you, this makes no sense!

On a "hunch" I typed up Xerxes and Townsend Brown and guess what folks? This is what came up!
http://www.padrak.com/ine/WEBSITES.html
especially this!

Brown, T. Townsend, Home Page, Dedicated To
www.soteria.com/brown/
This site is dedicated to Thomas Townsend Brown, an American physicist whose work was greatly under-acknowledged by the general scientific community. Townsend Brown was a leader in developing theories concerning the link between electromagnetic and gravitational fields theorized by Dr. Albert Einstein. Townsend Brown advanced from theory to application in the development of apparatus which he believed created temporary, localized gravitational anomalies (i.e. gravitational fields). The intent of this site is to provide a qualified clearing house for articles, pictures, patent proposals, and similar items, concerning Townsend Brown, which have traditionally not been made readily available to the general public. It is not meant to include all of Townsend Brown's work, but rather a representative cross-section of his life's work. Our store has many items for purchase including the Project Winterhaven and Xerxes documents as well as invention specifications which, until now, have not been available to the general public. Please check out our Questions & Answers section.

XERXES DOCUMENTS? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT????? Mark C
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Postby Chris Knight » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:18 pm

Mark,

The Padrak entry was from a long time ago, soon after I had put soteria.com up. I had decided to offer a few of the documents for sale (at copying and S&H cost) rather than putting them on the internet, since they were so large (at that time website and bandwidth costs were relatively higher).

The Xerxes Project document was published in Sunnyvale, California dated January 29, 1979, by Energy Resources Group, Ltd., Honolulu, Hawaii and Sunnyvale, California.

The actual title was "PROJECT XERXES, A proposal for basic research to be conducted by a consortium of laboratories for the study of the petrovoltaic effect."

The background statement is as follows:

"For a number of years a phenomenon has been observed relating to the self-potential of rocks. It has been observed that telluric currents are present not only in (and thruout) rock strata in the crust of the earth but also in individual rock specimens (under controlled conditions) in the laboratory.

The phenomenon, so-called "petrovoltaic effect," appears as a DC self-potential in certain granitic and basaltic rocks and since its discovery, has been extended to include many other dielectric or semi-conducting materials. The peculiar effect in such materials does not appear to be related to known piezoelectric, pyroelectric, or galvanic potentials usually observed in materials of this kind."

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so confusing

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:20 pm

You know. This is getting all so confusing and so ..... intuitive .... that I think we may certainly be scaring some of our new members who are just now joining us. To all of you out there. Please just hang in there with us. Paul will be coming out with a new chapter whenever it is done .... (thats the standard joke we all share) but I am sure that soon we will have something a little more solid to work with and look at.

All of this new material would leave anyone in a swirl. Sumeria? Persepolis? ruins? and I have to admit Mikado, I had never even heard of Zecharia Stitchin before you called him to my attention .... though the meeting at Rittenhouse Square sets up some extremely strange vibrations for both Paul and me. I don't know. Its as all of us have stepped into another world somehow. My first reaction is to run home to something solid. So I am as anxious as anyone here to find out where Townsend Brown and Josephine go next and what happens in the next few years after he walks away from the Navy in 1942. Maybe if we spend some time looking at the details in that direction, all this other material will have time to settle into some sort of sensible order. Right now, for me ... every thing is just up in the air! And you know .... thats alright! This is a new situation. Elizabeth
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