What do you think gravity is?

It seems there are quite a few visitors who have their own ideas about one of the great mysteries of our universe, Gravity. Here's a place where all the budding Einstein's among us can wax eloquent on the subject.

Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:22 am

Hello FM,
Yes, I do believe that space and time are inseperable. Also that all matter and energy are inseperable from space/time. If we consider that all matter and energy arise from the continuum like waves on the ocean, then all space, all time and matter and energy are connected because energy/matter arise from the continuum. I cannot readily define the ether, but it seems to reside at a "zero" state...like the zero in math...kind of a place holder that carries no value except what is generated by the other numbers or it resides in kind or like a parallel dimension and is not readily directly detectable. Dr. Brown detected fluctuations in it with his devices. Maybe it is the "zero" dimension that gives rise to the 4 dimensions of space/time we currently accept. Einstein said that is was absurd to think that wave forms could propagate in abslolute nothingness without a medium. I think one point that is missed is that subatomic particles are not seperate from the continuum/ether...they are energy wave forms that arise from it...and therefore everything is connected...like waves in the ocean. Gravity is the result of all matter being imbedded into, and a part of this medium. If this is so, then there is no need for the graviton or the higgs(god) particle...
This might also explain the missing mass/dark energy/dark matter of the universe...and the increasing rate of expansion of the universe could be attributed to a continuing influx of space/time/ether into our universe. Just a thought.
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby FM No Static At All » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:17 am

Well Mr. Skyfish,
Where does the energy that expands the universe come from? And if space and time are inseparable, then time travel would not be possible would it? The aether model would explain many things that are postulated as dark matter or dark energy, which is, in my humble opinion still as unknown as UFO's. In the universe of infinite possibilities, zero is point which is crosses but cannot be attained, since nothing is zero, and the fact that there is always something in the universe, zero is illogical.

It's like the big bang theory. If it is to be accepted, which I have never felt that it could be, where did the energy come from? And if all of that energy existed before the big bang, then why did it have to condense and explode? What did it condense from? If it contained all the energy in the universe, then would it not mean that the universe was big enough to contain it? So what was the purpose of the big bang?

Here's what I think. To be was inevitable, and the proof is that we are. It began with the thought. The thought being, "I am." The realization of consciousness. That is the impetus of all of reality. Before the first proton could be created, it had to have a place to be, and it had to have a proton "factory" before it was a proton. That just seems to me like common sense, would you agree?

So perhaps, the wiggles and wobbles that are detected and theorized as being "strings" and ZPE things, are really the aether doing what it was designed by the "creator" to do, and that is to create matter. And that aether must also have a finite structure, one that would "hold" the matter which it creates. So my postulation is that if we are to discover the cause of gravity, it may lie within the structure that creates matter. It is there that we shall find the method of binding particles of like charge together.

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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby Mikado14 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:43 pm

For those interested and you can sludge through it, you might find the conclusions that are arrived at in regard to the speed of the hypothetical graviton as curious.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-superluminal.asp

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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby FM No Static At All » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:21 pm

Mikado14 wrote:For those interested and you can sludge through it, you might find the conclusions that are arrived at in regard to the speed of the hypothetical graviton as curious.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-superluminal.asp

Mikado

So, given,
Image
As explained,
Animated simulation of gravitational lensing caused by a Schwarzschild black hole going past a background galaxy. Refractive index of spherical space around a massive objects
generates the same refraction effect of a glass sphere

This concept is exactly analogous to the old concept of the aether, in which the vacuum was considered to have the characteristics of a gas like fluid having its own density. In fact, we see here, that space time, the new term which today replaced the aether term, although not made up of particles, does indeed act like an atmosphere with its own properties like permeability, permitivity and refractive index. These parameters are set up according to the local incoming background radiation reaching the particular location in space from the core of the universe. Where an imbalance or shadowing occurs, a refractive index gradient is generated, and all constants we know of, shift off from their nominal values.

Could that also mean that there is an aether but different from what it was once thought to be? I have posted numerous references to Dr. Aspen's postulations regarding the aether as being a cubic lattice structure, somewhat described as a liquid crystalline form. Not giving the good Dr. free reign, but suppose that he is closer to the truth than what classic quantum physics and relativity theorize? Given that there is then an energetic aether, which is constantly resonating and attempting to create matter, would not an astute physicist then be able to determine if Aspen's mathematics are indeed correct?

I may not be as astute as some in regards to the mathematics supporting the commonly held beliefs regarding the physics of matter, but I have enough common sense to know what something does not seem to fit well, and rather tan create new equations, I tend to look for new theories to explain why the mathematics seem to fit.

For references, essays, and lectures by Dr. Harold Aspden, please check out:
http://www.aspden.org/index.html
And concerning the LHC and the search for the Higg's bosun read:
http://www.aspden.org.uk/sunenergy.htm
You may also want to read:

SOLVING THE WORLD'S GREATEST PROBLEMS
http://www.aspden.org.uk/problems.html
Copyright © 2007, Harold Aspden

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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:15 am

Hi FM,
I am reading the link you provided...Aden Physics...very good!

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energetic underworld of space
I like that description.
Given an aether that is alive with energy and interacts with our atomic world one can answer that problem but it has to be an aether that can account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment in physical terms
Yes!!! trickfox was just aking me about my thoughts on that experiment. If we accept Dr. Brown's results, then we have to consider this, or somehting similar.
Farnsworth's fusor
Hey Paul!!!
The latter field acting on the quantum powered underworld of space induces spin owing to a phase lock arising from the dynamic activity that accounts for gravitation.
quantum powered underworld....I REALLY like that part! Phase lock...producing rotation...yes, the medium's relationship to us is rotation...all is locked in the medium....accouning for gravitation...
Ether??? Yes! or somehting that functions as one. I still think it is the very fabric of space/time and that is why Dr. Brown's work was fruitful.
Thanks FM, that site is now a favorite.

It is possible that the expansive force is being generated by our interaction with another dimension and it is that interaction that is responsible for the continuum we live in and gravity...due to phase lock...and the increasing rate of expansion of the universe. I think Dr. Brown detected waves of this influx...wasn't it coming from the direction of Hercules? I am not so much a big bang fan.

You post:
The thought being, "I am." The realization of consciousness"

from the Hindu:
This is the Sankalpa of Brahman. He thought or willed: "Ekoham Bahu Syam: I am one; may I become many". This vibration corresponds to the bulging of the seed within the ground when it is soaked with water. Then the whole world was projected.
and:
The phenomenon of this universe is due to the power called Maya, by which the Absolute, without undergoing any change in or by Itself, appears as an ever-changing succession of phenomena conditioned by time and space.

...boy that is a good one...I really like the Hindu material...and I can relate to that. Our atoms and subatomic particles and our consciousness are caught up in this "phase lock"..which also has the quality of time.


So perhaps, the wiggles and wobbles that are detected and theorized as being "strings" and ZPE things, are really the aether doing what it was designed by the "creator" to do, and that is to create matter. And that aether must also have a finite structure, one that would "hold" the matter which it creates. So my postulation is that if we are to discover the cause of gravity, it may lie within the structure that creates matter. It is there that we shall find the method of binding particles of like charge together.



Yes...I agree...the structure that creates matter is the "ether" stuff...all is created from that like the waves in the ocean...and it produces gravity. When you stand on the shore and see storm generated waves crashing on the beach, it is not the water that was near the storm a thousand miles away...it is just the energy being tramsmitted by the waves. Maybe if all we could see was the top of the waves we would think there was no ocean??? Probably huh??? lol

Hey...why is DNA spiral???

But as always, it's been a joy and this is just an opinion.
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby Linda Brown » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:45 am

Skyfish,

Must be something about the Ohio soil that generates so many wonderful thoughts. <g>

You are so well centered with your observations ( in my opinion) that I barely know where to begin responding.

The highest praise I can offer I suppose is to call Pauls careful attention to what you have written here, throw a very big red flag down on the entire discussion.

!And privately I am so pleased to find yet another cloud out there. Sorry if that is hard to translate but you have to hark back to Kahlil Gibran for that one. I am surrounded by wonderful people in this Forum!..... I am sure one of you might recognize his letter to his friend May ... where he called out ( paraphrasing here, its too early for my mind to kick in) but he said something like ..." I am a cloud .... alone in the sky .... surely there must be others?" And you see .... there are indeed!

And thanks to Paul we have this Forum. This is an amazing world.

FM, I have meant to tell you how much I have appreciated your links , and look what generated from them!

"quantum powered underworld....I REALLY like that part! Phase lock...producing rotation...yes, the medium's relationship to us is rotation...all is locked in the medium....accouning for gravitation...
Ether??? Yes! or somehting that functions as one. I still think it is the very fabric of space/time and that is why Dr. Brown's work was fruitful.
Thanks FM, that site is now a favorite"

PHASE LOCK is a combination of words I have not seen here before. But surely this is true.

And regarding the seed planted. It has been a favorite thought of mine that somehow the conciousness that we all have now is sort of like a seed that is planted in linear time but that is has always meant to sprout and grow and prosper in another dimension.

That is what is happening here and we get the grand priveledge to sense it all happening. As I saiid, this is an amazing world.... and the clouds who gather here to produce the rain ... for those seeds ... ah even more so. Linda
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:22 pm

Hi Linda,
I just logged on...Joy! Yes indeed this is wonderful. It's as if I can feel your vibrations...in harmony. To be a cloud and having found this convergence of like minds...a rare oasis..I am very happy and honored to be a fellow cloud. I do feel so close to this for some reason...yes..maybe it is the soil! lol I love the gentle countryside of Ohio.
As I told Paul, I had an epiphany or whatever you want to call it over 25 years ago. It was like big doors opened(sounds corney but that was what I saw) and the light streamed through and I "saw" how things are connected...the procession of particles...subatomic forces being exerted in a medium...and the medium was the very fabric of space/time...and all was connected. It is all a little hard to describe but it is now my compass. For years I was sure that it would be possible to manipulate this medium with subatomic/quantum energies, but I was not sure of the exact tools until I saw you father's work. I have, always it seems, been drawn to eastern philosophy. Maybe through direct experience one can catch a glimpse of the true nature of the universe...that's what the Hindus say. I really like the Upanishads. I haven't read Gilbran for many years but I will revisit. My step will be have more spring and my heart will be lighter today having shared this with you.
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:41 pm

Another possibility popped into my mind...
What if the propulsive effect is produced externally to the field, but between the poles...where the torsion effect lies...that is where time travel takes place...if we are in a phase lock and our relationship is rotation...then time probably spirals away...to the future and the past...
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:42 pm

hmmm...but then...if we are stationary in time...maybe that is what is produciing gravity....our "stuckness" in the continuum...just daydreaming again...
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:46 pm

Yes!!! rotation is critical to time travel...
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:25 am

sorry...ideas keep popping up...soooo...
the rotation might be imparted to the medium by the mediums jouney through a spiraling time stream...like a spiral staircase....double helix? I'd better go back to tv.
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby skyfish » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:52 am

ok...last one for the night...i promise..
so space time is not justed curved....it is a spiral!!! It is!!! imho
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby Mikado14 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:30 am

I'll give you a bone, how about where the nodes intersect there be doorways? We are talking longitudinal waves and the intersection of nodes are between different sources.

FTM's only work on a schedule.

If your reading this Pennsy boy..you might just see what is in the hut on the beach.

When I turn on the light switch, the cockroaches know.

.....long day...

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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby Radomir » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:32 am

Is that a...barbecued rib bone...by any chance?

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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby kevin.b » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:44 am

Skyfish,
This is a picture by someone who I sense was TAPPED in, William blake,
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/world/images/s21n.jpg

If you can position yourself afar, instead of thinking as we do as the observer here on the surface.
Think of geometry that repeats outwards and inwards around itself .
then think of every star as an event point where the geometry meets in profussion, around each of those points will be multiple layers of that geometry but enlarging in scale.
then instead of thinking of the points, think of a medium that FLOWS, look at the picture and see the beard flowing, like a wind or a tidal flow.
All of the geometry go's on and on, and at the centre of of a vastnes of geometry is the centre point event of all the other geometry spawned away from that centre point, and that centre event point has a similer geometry of all the other event points in that it has a pole and an equator.
you therefore have two flows at ninty degrees to each other that permeate all the spawned off geometry event points.
the geometry is not nice and equal with reguler even angles involved, that would simply give pretty patterns like a kalidescope.
It's fractal, but has measure, look at the picture.
Therefore each event point is subjected to continuous flow from every direction at once, but a predominance in two ninty degree angles, and each event point is surrounded by scale models of itself .
This leads to spiral pathways into those points from all directions at once, with all the event points been connected in the geometry.
As any sailor knows, it is at the dictates of the flow of tidal waters and the flow of the wind that determines where the boat go's, if you have just watched the olympics, you may have seen how the sailors use each of the competitors sails to gain an advantage, as each sail imparts a resistance to the flow of wind, that give a stronger flow, or a decrease in flow that can be utilised or made to effect your competitor .
Looking from afar at this galaxy, try to imagine the geometry, you end up with a dohnut of spiral nature with a centre point and an outer shell, I am alpha and Omega, flowing, always attracted to and away , in all directions at once along spiral pathways, if you look along the route of these spirals, it will appear as millions of years, but as spirals like a slinky spring are long lengths of straight wire the distance between each coil is touching each other , even though it would be a long way to travel along the length of the spiral wire length, when the coils meet each other, there will be instant shortcuts across to each coil.
Rambling now.
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