What do you think gravity is?

It seems there are quite a few visitors who have their own ideas about one of the great mysteries of our universe, Gravity. Here's a place where all the budding Einstein's among us can wax eloquent on the subject.

What do you think gravity is?

Postby PyroPete » Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:01 am

To reproduce or alter gravity it may be necessary to know and/or understand what it is.


What I think: I like to keep an open mind but lately I have been tossing around the idea that gravity is simply a displacement of electrons.

The center of any large body in the universe has a lot of matter surrounding it and thus a lot of pressure. If electrons have the ability to "flow" from one place to another wouldn't the pressure displace quite a few electrons to the outer part of the body?

If this were true gravity would simply be a difference in electric potential, but on such a massive scale that neutral objects would even be pulled towards the center.

If this were true a device with a sufficient electric field surrounding it could repel itself away from that body.

I see one possible flaw in this theory, if gravity is a displacement of electrons then why would those large bodies form in the first place? Why wouldn't everything just stay neutral and evenly spread out across the universe?

What do you think gravity is?
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Postby Mabus » Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:16 pm

Perhaps the large mass has a positively charged core. It would be like one giant atom attracting and exchanging electrons with nearby masses... :?:
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Postby Jon de Pinet » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:30 pm

Mabus wrote:Perhaps the large mass has a positively charged core. It would be like one giant atom attracting and exchanging electrons with nearby masses... :?:


that does not fit with known physics. but i think the original idea has merit!

i would think that after the recent studies on the photon, we need to study the "Gravitron" all that i have seen says that the photon should be very simalar to the gravitron (speed mass and mabey more)

for the moment i do not know that we can detect the graviton, however i have seen theory that says gravity HAS to be superluminal. in fact it must not have speed at all, (ie unlimited speed is everywhere at once and has no speed)

also i think there is a connection between gravity and magnteism. as well as electricity. the question is where is it?
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It's not the correct question

Postby Hector » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:11 pm

I’m not sure I understand the question, because if we use the General Relativistic model gravity appears to be described very accurately. It seems that what people are really saying is that the description by General Relativity is to abstract for the majority to accept and so, if we can’t reduce it to ping pong balls (particles) than we can’t accepted.

General Relativity regardless of acceptance is the most accurate description we currently have of what causes Gravity.

The question should be what is, or causes mass?
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What do you think gravity is

Postby ufolight » Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:36 am

I personally think gravity is a special form of matter.
We have liquid, gas, solid, plasma, and a few newer additions; But I think gravity is a form of matter that has properties we have not been able to fully detect.
For example; As the law that for every action there is an equal oposit reaction; I have heard some descriptions for the equal oposit reaction to gravity, as 'a table that resists a falling object' , I completly reject that as a rational equality, and not even on the same level as the action, nor in the same property of the gravity.

I see gravity as a form of matter that has waves going outward from a planet just as there are waves going inward. We see the obvious effects of gravity waves moving inward acting with matter in the natural ellement we are easily aware of.
What we are not easily aware of, is the frequencies or dimensions that the outward moving waves are of.
The effects of hoover and antigravity lift, or even skimming accross the atmosphere are posible by finding the multiples of harmonic frequencies which the outward moving gravity waves travel in; And generate a distortion to the local inward moving gravity waves ,enabling a craft to oporate off the natural outward moving waves to go straight out, like riding the waves of an ocaen, Or hoover, by maintaining a balance between the local inward waves distorted and the waves moving out, Or lateral motion by sending a longated sidways distortion across the atmosphere in pulses or intermitent fluctuations , Or by generating a frequency within the hull of your craft that goes in and out of phase of the balance between the two wave motion frequencies, similar to the attraction-repulsion of the magnetic properties within light waves.

I try to explain this in some degree at my web site which is clickable below this post.
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Re: What do you think gravity is

Postby bill » Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:31 am

ufolight wrote:I personally think gravity is a special form of matter.
We have liquid, gas, solid, plasma, and a few newer additions; But I think gravity is a form of matter that has properties we have not been able to fully detect.
For example; As the law that for every action there is an equal oposit reaction; I have heard some descriptions for the equal oposit reaction to gravity, as 'a table that resists a falling object' , I completly reject that as a rational equality, and not even on the same level as the action, nor in the same property of the gravity.

I see gravity as a form of matter that has waves going outward from a planet just as there are waves going inward. We see the obvious effects of gravity waves moving inward acting with matter in the natural ellement we are easily aware of.
What we are not easily aware of, is the frequencies or dimensions that the outward moving waves are of.
The effects of hoover and antigravity lift, or even skimming accross the atmosphere are posible by finding the multiples of harmonic frequencies which the outward moving gravity waves travel in; And generate a distortion to the local inward moving gravity waves ,enabling a craft to oporate off the natural outward moving waves to go straight out, like riding the waves of an ocaen, Or hoover, by maintaining a balance between the local inward waves distorted and the waves moving out, Or lateral motion by sending a longated sidways distortion across the atmosphere in pulses or intermitent fluctuations , Or by generating a frequency within the hull of your craft that goes in and out of phase of the balance between the two wave motion frequencies, similar to the attraction-repulsion of the magnetic properties within light waves.

I try to explain this in some degree at my web site which is clickable below this post.
:D
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Postby DarthBane » Tue May 24, 2005 8:45 pm

I can't say I am, as I frequently ponder this subject in depth, entirely convinced as to the existence of the elusive graviton. Einstein interpreted gravity as a tensing of the space-time fabric. Gravity is also included as one of one of four basic and essential forces in nature: photoelectromagnetism, the weak nuclear force, the strong nuclear force, and gravity. The first three forces have observed particles which communicate the effects of the force from particle to particle. It seems likely, then, that the situation is the same with gravity.

I'll finish this thought later. Class is out. :)
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gravity

Postby timniver2003 » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:35 pm

francis nipher did some of the pioneering electrogravitic work at washington university in st louis back around the turn of the last century and seemed to indicate that gravity was in fact part of the electromagnetic spectrum, but that to my knowledge is as far as it's ever been taken--for someone with the resource and funding it might be helpful to go back and replicate dr. nipher's experiments and see whether or not some kind of useful answers might be derived from those. :?:
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What gravity is?... May be we need to rephrase the question

Postby moonwalker » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:20 pm

Yes, what is gravity? So far nobody has the answer. True, there are theories floating around, and some of them sound very reasonable, but non of them explains the nature of the gravity, it only tries to explain the consequences of it (like most of the explanations in the present physics) and derive the nature of gravity from its effects. Well, it sounds tempting that gravity is an electron characterisitic, BUT.. unfortunately so far NOBODY can tell me what is the electron!!! Think about it.. "high velocity spining particle around a positive charged atom nuclei", come on, this is just naturaly unreasonable.. It has 'mass'=true; it has "charge"=true; it is a particle/wave=NOT true! The quotes are because these TERMS we use are absolutely and only descriptive and they do not carry the true nature of the matter. What generates electricity and what flows in the conductors is FAR away from an electron. You will ask "What do you suggest" ..., you will find out I hope soon.. I am working on it and when the time comes I will announce my thoughts, backed up with formulas and equations. But one thing I am 100% sure - what surrounds the atom's core, ain't moving anywhere!!! You may say, well, everything works around us, and it is based on the theories for the solid state as we know them now so it must be true. No, we are just lucky it worked.. I will give you a little hint for what I am thinking - all electrical laws can be rewritten with the laws of optics!!!.. I wonder why... - I=E/R (Ohms law for the current), I=k/D*D (intensity of light)... similar, ah? Well, let me know what do you think.
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Gravity is directional distortion of the local space-time generated by large masses (energy sources), with the vector of distortion pointing towards the center of distortion. Applying intense electomagnetic fields in specific space-time location straightens (changes the orientation/direction of) the distortion and thus eliminates the effect of gravity localy. Such distortion exist on the entire Universe. This allows gravity space crafts to travel the distances between solar systems and galaxies, because the distortion is everywhere.. In general, the entire Universe has a vector of distortion pointing towards the center.

I beleive that if we all work together, shortly we will be able to explain all the things Mr. Brown has found!!!! I will be glad to hear from you - moonwalker@gbg.bg
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Re: What do you think gravity is?

Postby OhmHazzard » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:27 pm

[quote="PyroPete"] ~

If this were true a device with a sufficient electric field surrounding it could repel itself away from that body.

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This statement here is key to what has, in a randon sort of way, brought me to this website and forum.
It is very nice to see I was right in visiting this place.

Scale down the perspective, and you're on to something fun.

I've presently no time to write any further, but I look forward to exchanging a few concepts.
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Postby Ernest Fields » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:42 pm

Why does everything have a spin, the electron, minute particles as can be seen by there deflection in the bubble chamber showing their spiral paths. The Sun, the Planets, the Galaxies, the Universe (although we can't measure it yet). Even the Dust fields when a large enough dust mass is available will spin in local areas to form stars. Is this spin what causes gravity?
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observation of spins

Postby Elizabeth Helen Drake » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:43 pm

Ernest. Hi, I welcomed you in your other post ... but again ... welcome.

Thats a really good question. Don't look at me for the answer ... but I do have some more questions for you.

Well, first of all .... your first question is wonderful and is a basic wonder. "Why does everything have a spin?" I think a person could spend a lifetime trying to answer that (and many have) ... and then when you finished with that you might ask the question ...."What controls the speed of the spin?" (Neils Bohr had a tough time with that ... when an electron performs a "quantum leap " how does it know what speed to continue? Wheres the posted speed limit?) It goes on and on .

But the wonder of it to me is that there are folks out there like yourself who are not afraid to ask questions that are not easy to answer. Is the spin what causes gravity? ..... or .... is it gravity that causes the spin? .... or ... is gravity the answer to a question we haven't even learned to ask yet? Ha! .... Welcome! Elizabeth
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Postby OhmHazzard » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:32 pm

I believe the spin is what causes the gravity.

(Thinking, as an example, of the "Tilt 'a' Whirl" at the local fair when I was young, throwing me against the wall while it spun, making me dizzy). :)
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spinning

Postby Mark Culpepper » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:41 pm

ohmhazzard,

Other things make me dizzy too. Like the question...... if things are spinning ...... what makes them spin in the first place? ....... and why do they continue? and once you have answered that ...... then there is always ...... why do they spin at certain rates? The one answer you have for gravity is a good answer, but its not a single answer world. Be alot simpler if it was! Mark
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Postby Gewis » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:29 pm

Oh, digging up an old body with this one, but...

Under Einstein's 1929 attempt at Unified Field Theory, electromagnetism was formulated as space-time torsion. That is, spinning spacetime. The suggestion was originally given by Elie Cartan, a French mathemetician and father of Cartan Geometry (a more general extension of Riemmanian geometry, which is what is used in General Relativity to describe curved space-time).

Well, under a supposed completion of that original idea, given by Myron Evans at www.aias.us, the differenential geometry of General Relativity combined with torsion can be used to derive some really important postulates in physics, as well as explains some phenomena not currently handled by the standard model. Now, I don't have the tools to evaluate his mathematics yet, but his claims are staggering.

Oh, and electromagnetism under his formulation, leads to gravitation under the correct resonance conditions. And vice versa. :)

If he's right, physics is all just differential geometry.
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